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[jimmy jazz]

Interesting. No mention of the Irish lads wrongly convicted because the British police just wanted a conviction?

Firstly, that is mentioned multiple times in the article.

Secondly, what is there to say exactly? They've been released and had their convictions quashed over 30 years ago.

The families want justice for the 21 people that were murdered.

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Church in Switzerland is using an AI-powered Jesus hologram to take confession

A tech-savvy prankster could have a field day with that one. 

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Hak5
Nov 21, 2024





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[Trollheart]

Firstly, that is mentioned multiple times in the article.

Secondly, what is there to say exactly? They've been released and had their convictions quashed over 30 years ago.

The families want justice for the 21 people that were murdered.

Not in the video you posted. She mentions the "shattering of the Irish community", but that's vague and she never once mentions the Birmingham Six. Sure, of course, they want justice, but everyone seems to be forgetting how quickly your police rushed to judgement, and how six lives (and those attached to them - families, friends etc) were destroyed by lazy, shoddy police work and indeed fabricated evidence. No conversation about who really did it should omit this glaring error/fit-up, a total indictment of the West Midlands Police, and it should not be forgotten, or seen as "dealt with, move on." Ignoring the B6 in any video like that is insulting to their memory and reflects badly on the speakers. It would not have killed her to have said "and those poor Irish people, wrongly convicted", but she chose not to do so. That's on her.

They'll never find those responsible. The Police don't want to be reminded about it, it's the coldest of cold cases, and should the real perpetrators be dragged into the light, it would only open another can of worms as people asked how could six innocent people be convicted on the flimsiest of evidence? That's a box the British Government want to remain nailed shut, so they're wasting their time.

[jimmy jazz]

Not in the video you posted. She mentions the "shattering of the Irish community", but that's vague and she never once mentions the Birmingham Six. Sure, of course, they want justice, but everyone seems to be forgetting how quickly your police rushed to judgement, and how six lives (and those attached to them - families, friends etc) were destroyed by lazy, shoddy police work and indeed fabricated evidence. No conversation about who really did it should omit this glaring error/fit-up, a total indictment of the West Midlands Police, and it should not be forgotten, or seen as "dealt with, move on." Ignoring the B6 in any video like that is insulting to their memory and reflects badly on the speakers. It would not have killed her to have said "and those poor Irish people, wrongly convicted", but she chose not to do so. That's on her.

They'll never find those responsible. The Police don't want to be reminded about it, it's the coldest of cold cases, and should the real perpetrators be dragged into the light, it would only open another can of worms as people asked how could six innocent people be convicted on the flimsiest of evidence? That's a box the British Government want to remain nailed shut, so they're wasting their time.

You mentioned lives mentioned yet you don't seem to give a fuck about the 21 people who were murdered and many more injured, and their families (this lady is one of them). Why is that?

She's mentioned the Birmingham 6 plenty of times. This is a video barely two minutes long. People aren't forgetting that. She's slated the British police lots of times.

How you've managed to pick fault with her for that is outrageous.

[Trollheart]

You mentioned lives mentioned yet you don't seem to give a fuck about the 21 people who were murdered and many more injured, and their families (this lady is one of them). Why is that?

She's mentioned the Birmingham 6 plenty of times. This is a video barely two minutes long. People aren't forgetting that. She's slated the British police lots of times.

How you've managed to pick fault with her for that is outrageous.

I think you need to check what you're accusing me of.
Firstly, your video is two minutes long and I watched it. All she talks about is the victims. Which as I said is entirely fine and understandable. The only oblique reference to any Irish at all is that quote I mentioned. I am NOT finding fault with her, or anyone else, wanting justice for their families. I would have thought you knew I was a better person than that. Please stop inserting words in my word-hole. All I said was that, (and I'm now repeating almost verbatim) in any conversation about the Birmingham bombings, the injustice suffered by the people who became known as "The Birmingham Six" should be mentioned, if only in passing. It just follows naturally. I've tried to find a similar example but I can't, other than the obvious other one, which is pretty much the same.

While I have the UTMOST sympathy for these people, and for anyone who loses family due to violence, especially terrorist-related, I believe the general perception that video gives (as you posted it; if there's more then it's unfair to say that to me as I can only go by what's in the video - I didn't read the article, so that's partially my fault) is that nobody cares about the wrongly-accused Irish people who spent years in jail for a crime they did not commit, due to deliberate anti-Irish sentiment in England at the time.

ALL I SAID, JJ, WAS THAT THEY SHOULD MENTION THE SIX. I did NOT say "how dare they look for justice!" as you seem to be making out I am. Why you would think I would take such a line staggers me. My closing comment, that they never will find the real culprits because the govt do not want to be reminded of their error/frame-up/cover-up, is true. Unless you have a massive groundswell of support for a new enquiry or reopening of the case, it is not going to happen. This will remain unsolved. And with the British Government having just enacted a totally unfair and biased rule that prohibits the prosecution of British Army soldiers for actions carried out during "The Troubles", they're not going to want to draw attention to this shameful period in your history, and that of the police, who will also want to forget it, draw a line under it and move on, quietly shushing these people as can-of-worm openers.

That is, of course, not right. But it's how it is. Can you see a new enquiry being opened? Can you see the police getting their man/men and then having to retread the path of admitting they fucked up and railroaded the first suspects they decided had done it? Not going to happen. Evn if they were forced to reopen the case, it's almost 50 years ago. If we assume it was the IRA, then the chances of those bombers even being alive now is slim; at best, they'd be old men. The best she and the other families can expect is that there'll be a cursory reopening of the case, a quick report and then a shrug, nothing new found, case remains unsolved.

But please do not be characterising my response as "they don't deserve justice". Of course they do. All I said, and all I continue to say, is that the role of the WM Police and the Government in imprisoning six innocent Irish citizens for the heinous crime of being Irish in the vicinity of the explosion should not be forgotten, downplayed or pushed to one side.

Tealdeer version: Of course these people deserve justice. So do the Birmingham Six, who may have been released eventually but are surely still living (if they're still alive, not sure) with the horrors of what they had to go through. And they deserve not to be forgotten. But if a new enquiry is ever opened, I'll buy a hat and eat it.

In closing, I will say that had you just said to me, the video is not representative of what she's saying, read the article, I would have done, and then perhaps not been so outraged. So here we are.

[jimmy jazz]

What justice have the 6 not had, that they should have? The convictions were quashed, they were released and they were compensated.

Your assumption based on an extremely short video is wrong. Go and read your first post again and then the second one. Tell me honestly if they read as someone thinking it is entirely fine and understandable to only mention the victims (she did not), or does it read like you are having a slight pop at her for not mentioning the 6, particularly wording such as "insulting to the memory" and "reflects badly" and "it wouldn't have killed her"?

ALL I SAID, JJ, WAS THAT THEY SHOULD MENTION THE SIX. I did NOT say "how dare they look for justice!" as you seem to be making out I am.

I did not say that I said you were picking fault with her.

It definitely came across as insensitive toward someone who lost a family member in a despicable act of terrorism.

[Trollheart]

I'm prepared to admit that I should have read the article before I posted, as I intimated in my last post. However you said this:

 you don't seem to give a fuck about the 21 people who were murdered and many more injured, and their families (this lady is one of them). Why is that?

Which is pretty much accusing me of not caring, which, as I've explained, is not the case.

I'm willing to say maybe I looked at one side too much with my green glasses on, but I would prefer to leave it at that now. We have a classic English v Irish argument going on here, and I could say things about it that I would rather not, as this would escalate pretty quickly into worse of a situation than it is already.

So I'm going to leave it at that. Hope you can too.
My final word is: I hope they get justice but I have absolutely no doubt they will not, and that is tragic.

[jimmy jazz]

Thank you.

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[Trollheart]

Thank you.

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[jimmy jazz]

Yes.

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[Trollheart]

Thanks man. Sorry if it got a bit heated there. Bloody Irish temper.

Is it funny though that your "let's make up" picture features two dead people?