Kanye West

[jimmy jazz]

Of course you can. Eminem makes music for kids and he's been successful for four decades now.

Preferring something like Wu-Tang to The Roots would come down to taste. Thinking ICP are Hip-Hop legends is taking the piss.

You know it as well. Which is why you used them as the example to show how shit you think Kanye is.

[Lexi Darling]

Both artists have plenty of appeal to 12 year olds frankly. Kanye has so many immature lyrics and indefensibly cringe bars, at least when ICP have corny lyrics they're in on the joke. They know what they are. They're funny and over the top with it whereas something like Yeezus is lyrically obnoxious and doesn't even come off as self-aware.

Of course you can. Eminem makes music for kids and he's been successful for four decades now.

ICP have been successful for even longer than him. And they largely built their empire without the full support of the major record industry, hence Lucem's blackballed comment.

[Lucem Ferre]

Of course you can. Eminem makes music for kids and he's been successful for four decades now.

Preferring something like Wu-Tang to The Roots would come down to taste. Thinking ICP are Hip-Hop legends is taking the piss.

Fat Joe has called ICP legends.

Fat Joe has way more ethos on the matter than either of us.

[jimmy jazz]

Fat Joe has called ICP legends.

Fat Joe has way more ethos on the matter than either of us.

And? Do you think people on Hip-Hop don't think similar about Kanye?

[jimmy jazz]

ICP have been successful for even longer than him. And they largely built their empire without the full support of the major record industry, hence Lucem's blackballed comment.

Nowhere near as successful. And it's irrelevant. Can't have a decades long career if you're making music for kids was his point. Well Eminem shows that you can.

[Lexi Darling]

I don't think either Eminem or ICP make music exclusively for kids and I don't think the vast majority of Eminem fans would agree that he does.

I also think it's largely irrelevant with regards to quality of music. The Beatles made music that appealed greatly toward kids. Hip-hop and rock are youth driven cultures. I think being able to appreciate stuff like ICP that isn't considered 'serious sophisticated adult music' is more of a sign of maturity then saying "oh this is for 12 year olds, I'm too mature to listen to this".

[Lucem Ferre]

And? Do you think people on Hip-Hop don't think similar about Kanye?

Kanye is also a hip hop legend. I have never and will never deny that.

I'm probably a bigger Kanye West fan than you are. Anybody who knows me would be shocked by this opinion because of how much of a Kanye fan I am.

But Insane Clown Posse are undeniably hip hop legends and are better than Kanye West.



Eminem is also a hip hop legend and in many many many people's top 5 that are huge authorities on hip hop. If that's what you consider shitty music for 12 year olds than that puts ICP in good company.

[Lucem Ferre]

Nowhere near as successful. And it's irrelevant. Can't have a decades long career if you're making music for kids was his point. Well Eminem shows that you can.

I don't know if we'd even have an Eminem if it weren't for ICP. The Slim Shady gimmick was far more inspired by Esham, for sure, but there is undeniably an ICP influence there too.

[DJChameleon]

Discussions are tantrums now? lol

Probably listen to Kevin Federline before ICP as well tbh.

Actually you should!

I was just telling my friend 3 days ago about how good Kevin Federline is. It will surprise you. I feel like I was one of the 5000 or so only people that have bought his album. I picked it up from FYE on CD.

[Lexi Darling]

[Trollheart]

Batty was forever going on about ICP on MB and being slagged off for it, especially by Frownland. He (Batty) gave me some recs and I listened. He was quite surprised that I liked what I heard. It was - oh, what's that word again? Tip of my tongue, had it once, think it may have been awful. Oh yeah: fun. It was fun. And I'm no kid. I wouldn't say I was a fan, but hell I enjoyed what I heard and I realised it was all a big joke and a nudge and a wink. It was entertaining. So yeah, older people can appreciate and get down with the clowns too, or something.

Kanye doesn't interest me, but that's neither here nor there.

Oh wait, it's there.

Incidentally, how do you rate the music of his Japanese hip-hop cousin, ICan East?

[jimmy jazz]

Eminem is also a hip hop legend and in many many many people's top 5 that are huge authorities on hip hop. If that's what you consider shitty music for 12 year olds than that puts ICP in good company.

Yes he is but he's in their top 5s for mic skill. It's not for the actual music he makes.

SSLP - Good
MMLP - Very good
TES - Average

And then everything else is either average at best or dreadful.

Being a great rapper and making great music are different things. There are plenty of great rappers who haven't made a classic album (Eminem, Andre 3k, Rakim) and some average ones who have (Snoop Dogg is a good example).

[jimmy jazz]

Actually you should!

I was just telling my friend 3 days ago about how good Kevin Federline is. It will surprise you. I feel like I was one of the 5000 or so only people that have bought his album. I picked it up from FYE on CD.

Mate 😂

[SGR]

Yes he is but he's in their top 5s for mic skill. It's not for the actual music he makes.

SSLP - Good
MMLP - Very good
TES - Average

And then everything else is either average at best or dreadful.

Being a great rapper and making great music are different things. There are plenty of great rappers who haven't made a classic album (Eminem, Andre 3k, Rakim) and some average ones who have (Snoop Dogg is a good example).

Are we not counting Outkast when considering whether or not Andre 3K has made a classic album?

[jimmy jazz]

Are we not counting Outkast when considering whether or not Andre 3K has made a classic album?

No as it's a group album and he has released solo material. Same with Rakim.