Pro-Palestinian does not equal anti-Semitism; your thoughts?

[Lucem Ferre]

Read the previous posts. I explained why.

No, you didn't. You stated that it's a good thing if protesters separated themselves from Hamas as if it's a self evident thing.

Why does it matter?

So it'd make it harder for the state to suppress them?

[DJChameleon]

Read the previous posts. I explained why.

Yes you can so condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Hamas, yes or no?

I already said I do and you didn't accept the answer why do I need to constantly repeat myself? Pay attention

[DJChameleon]

Jimmy Jazz, I'm pretty sure, isn't a Zionist.

I didn't say he was but he's repeating all of their talking points and propaganda.

[Lucem Ferre]

I already said I do and you didn't accept the answer why do I need to constantly repeat myself? Pay attention

Do you condemn Ukraine?

[jimmy jazz]

I, personally, do not condemn Hamas's resistance.

I condemn certain methods & beliefs but who am I as a spoiled westerner who hasn't faced even a crumb of the suffering that they have to judge how they resist?

It's a question only ever brought up in this context because they are Arab and westerners have spent the last few decades being told that Arabs are scary and violent.

No it isn't. The closest historical parallel I can think of is The Troubles in NI. The IRA aren't Arabs but I would expect the same thing from Irish Republicans, you can object and resist NI's status without condoning the IRA. My granddad was a Republican from Belfast and even he drew the line at murdering civilians, which is what the IRA did.

If you say you don't condemn the resistance when we are talking specifically about Hamas then you yourself are conflating being pro-Palestine with Hamas. You can't keep saying they're different things and then keep bringing resistance into it when we mention Hamas.

[jimmy jazz]

No, you didn't. You stated that it's a good thing if protesters separated themselves from Hamas as if it's a self evident thing.

Why does it matter?

So it'd make it harder for the state to suppress them?

I said they don't make it clear enough and these past few posts are showing it.

[jimmy jazz]

I already said I do and you didn't accept the answer why do I need to constantly repeat myself? Pay attention

You really didn't mate there was a caveat attached but you can have another go.

[Lucem Ferre]

No it isn't. The closest historical parallel I can think of is The Troubles in NI. The IRA aren't Arabs but I would expect the same thing from Irish republicans, you can object and resist NI's status without condoning the IRA. My granddad was a Republican from Belfast and even he drew the line at murdering civilians, which is what the IRA did.

If you say you don't condemn the resistance when we are talking specifically about Hamas then you yourself are conflating being pro-Palestine with Hamas. You can't keep saying they're different things and then keep bringing resistance into it when we mention Hamas.

No, I'm not.

I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is to hyperfocus on whether or not people condemn the only force of resistance to a literal genocide. If there were alternative forces of resistance I'd condemn Hamas 100%, but there aren't so I support their resistance even though I don't agree with their methods. Especially after learning what Israel did during The Great March of Return and even more after learning that Israel did everything in its power to suppress all alternative resistance groups while funding Hamas and propping them up knowing how easy it would be to manipulate morons into supporting Israel's invasion when the only resistance is a hyper reactionary & violent organization.

I don't care if it makes poor little Jimmy Jazz uncomfortable or if it makes it easier for the state to conflate Palestinian support with terrorist support as if they wouldn't do that anyways.

[Lucem Ferre]

You really didn't mate there was a caveat attached but you can have another go.

Yes, he did.

[Lucem Ferre]

I said they don't make it clear enough and these past few posts are showing it.

So you think my opinion is representative of an entire movement now?

Me and DJ have clearly differing opinions but since you want to use the one far more sympathetic to hamas as the representative of the whole movement it just exposes a want to paint them all as pro Hamas.

And the silly thing is you're doing thing you are constantly a victim of.

"How am I supposed be charitable enough to think this whole movement isn't pro terrorism when they have a nuanced perspective on Hamas."

Well, Jimmy Jazz. The same way I am charitable enough to say you are not a transphobe despite harping on trans people in sports or that you're not a Zionist despite repeating Zionist talking points.

That same nuance I apply to you knowing you are not the raging bigot others have accused you of being is why support Hamas' resistance.

[jimmy jazz]

I'm not uncomfortable.

If you are asked if you condemn Hamas and your response to that question is "well I condemn this particular thing they did but..." then it isn't a condemnation of Hamas. You are weaseling your way out of it. And when you attempt to bring the resistance into it as a defence, you then merge the two together, something you would argue are not the same thing. 

[jimmy jazz]

So you think my opinion is representative of an entire movement now?

No because I've already said you can condemn Hamas and oppose the occupation at the same time. I said some people who oppose the occupation do not condemn Hamas clearly enough. And here you are.

[Lucem Ferre]

I'm not uncomfortable.

If you are asked if you condemn Hamas and your response to that question is "well I condemn this particular thing they did but..." then it isn't a condemnation of Hamas. You are weaseling your way out of it. And when you attempt to bring the resistance into it as a defence, you then merge the two together, something you would argue are not the same thing. 

I'm not weaseling my way out of anything. I support Hamas' resistance.

My perspective isn't everybody else's.

And despite supporting Hamas' resistance I am not the defacto voice of an entire movement that isn't a monolith to begin with. I'm just some asshole with an opinion.



DJ, though, he very clearly stated he condemns Hamas as a whole. Something very different from what I said. Him saying he understands them isn't a caveat. Yet you still paint him with the same stroke as me. You see why I think it doesn't matter?

And DJ is far more of a representative than I am. He's the one actually out there actively protesting. But I guess my voice ot does his some how.



Now, do you condemn Ukraine, JJ?

[jimmy jazz]

Because neither of you have condemned Hamas, DJ said 'I don't support their actions', that's not a condemnation it's just a lack of support for something they did

[Lucem Ferre]

Because neither of you have condemned Hamas, DJ said 'I don't support their actions', that's not a condemnation it's just a lack of support for something they did

No, he said he condemns Hamas but understands why they exist.

I said I don't condemn hamas but I don't support their methods or beliefs.

How do you have a lower reading comprehension than a retarded juggalo from Utah?