Pro-Palestinian does not equal anti-Semitism; your thoughts?

[DJChameleon]

Does Mr. Rodriguez have fan club and a GoFundMe yet?

No GoFundMe because he's not white like Luigi

[jimmy jazz]

I don't support their actions but I do understand why their actions have happened as resistance to decades of occupation in that region.

That doesn't sound like a strong condemnation of Hamas.

I was going to say, it would be a lot harder to claim protesters are pro-Hamas if the protesters did more to condemn Hamas in the first place. There is a lot of excuse-making and sympathising regardless of whether they say they support the actions or not.

[Lucem Ferre]

There's nothing unbelievable or surprising about someone being so invested in the Palestine thing that they'd kill two people. Especially in the USA where you've got such easy access to guns.

He would obviously shout Free Palestine BTW. We've seen people do that when they set themselves on fire in protest. Pretty much every time there's an Islamic terrorist attack the perpetrater is shouting Allahu Ahkbar.

@DJChameleon what is your personal opinion of Hamas?

Not a fan of their politics or their methods but I support them as the only force of resistance against extremely inhumane and unimaginable oppression.

But the whole "do you condemn hamas" bit in the context of a genocide is a bit tone deaf at the very least.

The Ukranian military is full of Nazis that commit extremely heinous torture on ethnic Russians. I don't support either of those things but I still support their resistance to Russia's colonial invasion.

[Lucem Ferre]

That doesn't sound like a strong condemnation of Hamas.

I was going to say, it would be a lot harder to claim protesters are pro-Hamas if the protesters did more to condemn Hamas in the first place. There is a lot of excuse-making and sympathising regardless of whether they say they support the actions or not.

If you were Palestinian and your entire family was destroyed in a bombing campaign by Israel, would you condemn Hamas?

[Lucem Ferre]

I condemn the USSR & especially Stalinism but I supported their position in WW2.

[jimmy jazz]

If you were Palestinian and your entire family was destroyed in a bombing campaign by Israel, would you condemn Hamas?

This doesn't apply to US-based protestors.

DJ isn't Palestinian and his family wasn't killed by Israel (I assume).

[Lucem Ferre]

This doesn't apply to US-based protestors.

DJ isn't Palestinian and his family wasn't killed by Israel (I assume).

No, but he has basic empathy which is why he said he understands them while condemning their methods.

[jimmy jazz]

No, but he has basic empathy which is why he said he understands them while condemning their methods.

But I'm asking DJ does he condemn Hamas. I understand why it's happening as well but that wasn't the question.

[Lucem Ferre]

But I'm asking DJ does he condemn Hamas. I understand why it's happening as well but that wasn't the question.

Why does it matter?

[DJChameleon]

That doesn't sound like a strong condemnation of Hamas.

I was going to say, it would be a lot harder to claim protesters are pro-Hamas if the protesters did more to condemn Hamas in the first place. There is a lot of excuse-making and sympathising regardless of whether they say they support the actions or not.

If protesters say they condemn their actions then they do whether you want to believe it or not. You are basically repeating Zionist talking points by making a big deal about condemning or not while grouping the two beliefs together. You can be pro Palestinian and condemn Hamas at the same time. Its not that wild of an idea.

[DJChameleon]

Why does it matter?

Its constantly the same thing that Zionists do/say to excuse the current genocide thats happening.

[Lucem Ferre]

I, personally, do not condemn Hamas's resistance.

I condemn certain methods & beliefs but who am I as a spoiled westerner who hasn't faced even a crumb of the suffering that they have to judge how they resist?

It's a question only ever brought up in this context because they are Arab and westerners have spent the last few decades being told that Arabs are scary and violent.

[Lucem Ferre]

Its constantly the same thing that Zionists do/say to excuse the current genocide thats happening.

Jimmy Jazz, I'm pretty sure, isn't a Zionist.

[jimmy jazz]

Why does it matter?

Read the previous posts. I explained why.

If protesters say they condemn their actions then they do whether you want to believe it or not. You are basically repeating Zionist talking points by making a big deal about condemning or not while grouping the two beliefs together. You can be pro Palestinian and condemn Hamas at the same time. Its not that wild of an idea.

Yes you can so condemn Hamas. Do you condemn Hamas, yes or no?

[jimmy jazz]

Jimmy Jazz, I'm pretty sure, isn't a Zionist.

I'm not. I've made it clear.

I 100% condemn Israel's occupation of Palestine and the genocide they are committing.