2024 Republican Primary

[Nimbly9]

Well they did a lot more than "cheer", so their ability to listen is questionable. 

[Jwb]

Lol.  We'll just have to see how it all shakes out.

like i said, if it goes to the SC i can't imagine they're going to keep Trump off the ballot.

[Shhon]

[SGR]

But I think this creates precedent for other states, and Colorado won't be the only state to attempt this. Colorado will likely be won by Biden (or whoever the Dem candidate is), so if it is entirely contained to this state, it won't make much of a difference - but I'm doubtful it will be solely contained to this state. That being said, the message of the decision itself is striking.

Maine elections official disqualifies Trump from presidential primary ballot

[Shhon]

[DJChameleon]

Yeah Federal is going to have to come and step in soon.

More and more states will start disqualifying him.

Michigan you absolute failures, they should have took him off the ballot too but they didn't

[Nimbly9]

As we head into another election year, we should reflect back on Barack Obama's wise words.

[Jwb]

I lol'd at Vince at the end,  but other than that I don't really know what the point of that video is supposed to be. Pretty underwhelming tbh.

Also my inner racist is triggered by the fact that Obama used the phrase "monkey around."

[Nimbly9]

I lol'd at Vince at the end,  but other than that I don't really know what the point of that video is supposed to be. Pretty underwhelming tbh.

It's a 2020 election joke that you can interpret at least two different ways.  I'll leave it at that.

[Jwb]

It was hilarious.

[SGR]

It's a 2020 election joke that you can interpret at least two different ways.  I'll leave it at that.

[Jwb]

Now that's a much better clip lol

[Psy-Fi]

Chris Christie "suspended" his presidential campaign today.

[SGR]

Chris Christie "suspended" his presidential campaign today.

More time for McDonald's.

[Lisnaholic]

Better late than never, I hope:
I looked at the comments you made before Christmas, SGR, and as you took the trouble to write in some detail, I thought I'd return the compliment:-

Thanks for the response Lisna, but I disagree. Most of these court cases were rejected on 'standing'. This means that the party filing the case doesn't have 'sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case'. The courts didn't look at the evidence or arguments provided in these cases, they (for the most part) simply rejected them, based on the merit of the litigant. The courts not looking at the evidence and rejecting the case entirely doesn't mean that the cases had no credibility.

^ It's true that I accepted the often-repeated statistic that 61 cases out of 62 found no evidence of fraud, when, as you say, most cases were dismissed on issues of standing. Nonetheless, on one website I found ten out of ten cases that looked at the arguments and found no significant fraud. If Trumpers were throwing cases at the courts without proper standing, then their usual policy of stirring up a bunch of smoke and doubts to confuse people backfired on them in this case, because a total of 62 cases filed doen't look good for them, as they have at most 1 court finding partially in their favour. 

... you believe in the integrity of the electoral/voting systems of the US. And yet, you still seem to believe that somehow, this system of governance, along with its many checks and balances, would collapse if Trump gets re-elected, and a dictatorship would inevitably ensue. It seems like a bit of a dichotomy to me.

No dichotomy, SGR: as in many countries, the US democratic system more or less works, but that doesn't mean that it's not vulnerable to someone in power determined to dismantle it. I think today Hungary and Israel illustrate how that can happen, plus a zillion historical examples from Africa and Latin America.

Lisna, the 'fine people' thing is a well proven hoax. The media implied that he was talking about the neo-nazis and racists because they clipped out the part where he said after: "and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally" - and pretended like that didn't happen.

Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left-transcript-241662

This kind of selective editing was common in news media during the Trump administration, and if you don't get exposed to other news sources, you'd be none the wiser.

As for the other one, he was referring to a disinfectant via exposure of ultraviolet light in the body, the media simply took 'disinfectant' to mean bleach and ran with that. He wasn't talking about bleach, and if you think he was, that's a prime indicator that you need to check yourself on what you think you know, and what media sources you consume and trust.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

I looked at your links, and enjoyed the dubious pleasure of reading Trump´s actual words. It's true that neither quote was quite as bad as the versions popularised by CNN and other news channels. As I conceded originally, he didn't actually say "drink bleach", but his suggestions about disinfectant were pretty irresponsible. As Nimbly pointed out, plenty of people took him to mean "drink disinfectant" and a whole bunch of cleaning supply companies had to issue statements about "Don't drink our product".

Bleach or Charlottesville, in both cases there has been selective editing, biased reporting, and as your links prove, accuracy and precise words matter. In that spirit, I feel you have used the wrong word to describe these controvertial news stories about Trump's declarations: the two news stories are not "hoaxes" because they are based on things that happened, even if those things were distorted in biased and inaccurate reporting. But a hoax is something different: something like the Pizzagate conspiracy or the Ruby Freeman USB memory stick - something that never existed at all.

It's something that bugs me about Trump: he is so quick to bring out labels like "hoax" and "fake news" that the whole issue of bias in the media isn't examined in the more nuanced way that it should be, with both sides agreeing that they are guilty and could do better. 

And yes, thanks SGR - I had a great time in the UK. I hope you had a good Christmas too.