Trump Redux: The Death of Democracy, or Overblown Hyperbole?

[jimmy jazz]

He doesn't have to say anything it's already happening.

Link to him deporting people for being trans or for posting opinions online.

[DJChameleon]

Link to him deporting people for being trans or for posting opinions online.

[jimmy jazz]

Thought as much. Continue with your hyperbole thread then lol.

[Trollheart]

JJ, why are you insisting on being all but an apologist for Trump? The specifics of some things may not be happening, but read the fucking link! He's threatening not only to have people sentenced to TWENTY YEARS for vandalising/protesting at Tesla, but IS ALSO SAYING HE MIGHT DEPORT THEM TO SERVE THEIR TIME IN EL SALVADOR! Apart from this being the most heinous misuse of Executive Power possible (and probably completely illegal: can a person who is not a native of that country be sentenced to jail there by the US?) it shows a clear path this man is taking: that he'll do everything and anything he wants to consolidate his power and sow fear and terror throughout his country. I can't understand why you appear to be defending him all the time?

Perhaps you could make your position clear: do you support, even tacitly, the man and his policies, or are you just being a little too level-headed in a world that is slowly going very dark and very mad? Because this really is, as Lexi has said several times, something you have to take a position on. You can't sit on the fence (well, you can, but you shouldn't) - you either call the fucker out on his evil policies and hatemongering, or you don't. Curious to know where you stand.

[jimmy jazz]

Questioning if something is happening isn't defending him.

If this thread is just supposed to be a place where you can catastrophise about Nazis, the return of slavery and deporting people who fart then let us know. If it's actually for discussion then what's the issue?

[Trollheart]

The issue is that everything you say seems to be trying to downplay what's happening, and it saddens me because I didn't think you were that sort of person. You're free to make whatever comments you want here of course, but I have yet to see any post by you condemning what Trump and Musk are doing. If you don't condemn it, fair enough. I just want to know: am I dealing with someone who supports/would have voted for him, or not? Most people here have made their position clear enough (not sure about JWB) so it's not an invalid question: do you support what's happening in America, not care about it, or deplore it?

[jimmy jazz]

Well that is irrelevant really. You're not going to force me or attempt to bully me into anything.

You know how I vote in the UK (although I didn't vote on this past election as it was the last thing on my mind)o you can make an assumption based off that if you really want.

If you say Trump is going to chop the legs off everyone who voted Democrat and I question it, that isn't me downplaying anything.

[DJChameleon]

Thought as much. Continue with your hyperbole thread then lol.

You don't want discussion. I don't even know why you post on this thread. You are just trolling/sea lioning.

[jimmy jazz]

You don't want discussion. I don't even know why you post on this thread. You are just trolling/sea lioning.

Yet if anyone strays from the constant hyperbole and fearmongering it's "Trump apologist" or "troll/sealioning". That's not a discussion. Also I very, very rarely post in here.

I asked where he said he was going to deport people for the wrong social media opinions and for being trans.

I could have just said it isn't happening but I asked a question. I'm going to assume it isn't happening because Lexi has now edited the post to remove that and reworded it.

If you want to have this thread where only certain views are allowed (bit Trumpian) then say that.

[DJChameleon]

Yet if anyone strays from the constant hyperbole and fearmongering it's "Trump apologist" or "troll/sealioning". That's not a discussion. Also I very, very rarely post in here.

I asked where he said he was going to deport people for the wrong social media opinions and for being trans.

I could have just said it isn't happening but I asked a question. I'm going to assume it isn't happening because Lexi has now edited the post to remove that and reworded it.

If you want to have this thread where only certain views are allowed (bit Trumpian) then say that.

She still said the same thing. It wasn't reworded. There are plenty examples, you just don't follow any US news to see it. You only come out to point contrainian opinions. You are basically a Trump supporter. Just like you said up there about a point being irrelevant. You don't honestly care about what's happening you just want to prove the opposite without seeing evidence.


Mahmoud Khalid got kidnapped away from his pregnant wife and sent to Louisiana from NY for being part of the pro Palestinian protests last year and now the media is trying to rebrand it and say he was part of pro Hamas protests which isn't true. Being pro Palestinian isn't the same as being pro Hamas which I'm not even going to get into that debate with you because I already know your position and you pretend to be obtuse about a nuanced discussion every single time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/international-students-columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil


She's in ICE detention centers for being an activist, not even critical of Trump but there has been a running theme of activists being sent to Louisiana for being outspoken
https://chicagodefender.com/black-woman-activist-detained-by-ice-amid-trumps-mass-deportation-efforts/

Not a deportation but turned someone away just for having opinions against Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

[Marie Monday]

Oh please, calling Jimmy a trump supporter is just as silly as calling me a zionist

[jimmy jazz]

She still said the same thing. It wasn't reworded.

No, it said deported. It now says "trafficked into prison camps".

That is a rewording. Deportation and trafficked into prison camps are not the same thing. And before you try and move the goalposts and ask if I'm justifying it or support that (because I know it's coming), no I don't. But that wasn't what was claimed.

There are plenty examples, you just don't follow any US news to see it. You only come out to point contrainian opinions. You are basically a Trump supporter. Just like you said up there about a point being irrelevant. You don't honestly care about what's happening you just want to prove the opposite without seeing evidence.

Mahmoud Khalid got kidnapped away from his pregnant wife and sent to Louisiana from NY for being part of the pro Palestinian protests last year and now the media is trying to rebrand it and say he was part of pro Hamas protests which isn't true. Being pro Palestinian isn't the same as being pro Hamas which I'm not even going to get into that debate with you because I already know your position and you pretend to be obtuse about a nuanced discussion every single time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/international-students-columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil

That's not a deportation. Also not trans. And I've never once said, implied or suggested that being pro-Palestinian is the same as being pro-Hamas because they aren't. You won't find it anywhere on here because it hasn't happened. You've completely made that up. Stop with the constant lying.

She's in ICE detention centers for being an activist, not even critical of Trump but there has been a running theme of activists being sent to Louisiana for being outspoken
https://chicagodefender.com/black-woman-activist-detained-by-ice-amid-trumps-mass-deportation-efforts/

Not a deportation but turned someone away just for having opinions against Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

They're not deportations and they're not for being trans or for posting opinions online.

So yeah, hyperbole. Apt for the thread.

[DJChameleon]

Oh please, calling Jimmy a trump supporter is just as silly as calling me a zionist

If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck

[DJChameleon]

No, it said deported. It now says "trafficked into prison camps".

That is a rewording. Deportation and trafficked into prison camps are not the same thing. And before you try and move the goalposts and ask if I'm justifying it or support that (because I know it's coming), no I don't. But that wasn't what was claimed.
 

That's not a deportation. Also not trans. And I've never once said, implied or suggested that being pro-Palestinian is the same as being pro-Hamas because they aren't. You won't find it anywhere on here because it hasn't happened. You've completely made that up. Stop with the constant lying.

They're not deportations and they're not for being trans or for posting opinions online.

How is being placed in ICE detention centers not deportation? It's part of the process.

I don't have to lie about the pro Hamas/pro Palestinian comparison. You've said it out of your own mouth.

[Marie Monday]

If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck

that assumes you're capable of properly distinguishing quacking from other sounds, which you're not