War in Iran

[Jwb]

This a thread to discuss the current war that is being waged in Iran by The US and Israel.  Share your thoughts or post news about said topic here.



I've basically been expecting this war since Oct 7th. It's very predictable that they would try to take out the "head of the hydra," as they put it.  I'm very confident this war is going to usher in a brand  new era of people in the middle east loving Israel and America. 

It seems that the "lesson" that was learned from Iraq was not to send ground troops, rather than not to try to topple regimes.  The problem is actually  sending in your own troops to die.  That's what "the American people" are actually sensitive to.

But with no ground forces, there can be no regime change.  Killing the Ayatollah doesn't scratch the surface.  Somebody has to fight the IRGC, Basij, etc.  So it seems the plan is just to start bombing and then put out some posts in Farsi urging the people to rise up.  Rise up with what exactly? There's no formidable armed opposition forces that are in a place to challenge the IRGC.

Given enough chaos you might see uprising by the Kurds or other ethnic minorities, but this will likely only serve as yet another destabilizing influence which makes iran less likely to emerge with as strong of a grip on its own territory, and which provides additional sectarian fault lines to act as potential flash points for conflict and division.

The conventional Iranian army isn't as powerful, well armed, or well trained as the IRGC is. They're also not as ideologically driven.  So you could see a part of the army split off and fight the IRGC, but the IRGC has the upper hand in that match up.

There are a lot of war hawks who have been trying to present the idea that Iran is "more sophisticated," "more pro democracy," "less sectarian" etc to try to suggest that a massive civil war like what happened in Iraq, Syria, etc won't be as likely in Iran. 

But as I've just spelled out, it's not clear how you get to regime change without taking on the IRGC and Basij militias.  That requires a ground force.  Either America and Israel would need  to send their own troops, or there would have to be forces within Iran capable of doing the job. 

In Libya, the NATO forces basically provided air support to rebels that were fighting on the ground.  In this case, America and Israel seem to be trying to foment such an uprising. The only possible way i see that working out is through a fairly bloody civil war.  I hope I'm wrong.

I think Israel is content with turning Iran into a failed state or potentially even seeing it fragment into multiple rump states. So from their POV, this strategy works fine.  But how this is in the US's interest is beyond me.  I don't see why we even still have such a heavy interest in the middle east in the 21st century.  But one thing I can say is our stockpiles are being depleted significantly.  I even saw my favorite yamuka-boy, Ben Shaprio, trying to suggest this was necessary for showing China and Russia that we mean business Imagine what we would do if China picked now or soon after to move on Taiwan.  What would America's options even be?

The great Satan refuses to ever be humbled. We'll just keep taking failed wars on the chin until we lose our place at the top of the pack.

[Buck_Mulligan]

I wish some of the money going to decapitate Iran had instead been used to support Ukraine.
Trump has said (without explanation why) the attacks may go on for 4-5 weeks. I hope he hasn't pulled a Putin (3 days in Ukraine), and made himself a hostage to fortune. He and Bibi can now nominate each other for the Nobel.

[Trollheart]

One of the forgotten big losers here is going to be the poorest state in the world. Yes, I'm talking about the UAE folks. All those golfers, rock stars, A-list celebrities and people hosting expensive weddings, tech bros weekends away and conferences are going to be a bit upset about having to duck and cover every time there's a whistle in the air or a siren wails. Will someone PLEASE think of the poor super-rich? This war could have very unforseen side-effects, such as causing mega-hotels to close or even be accidentally (hur hur) bombed.

No doubt Trumpy has his buddies all lined up for the "rebuld of Abu Dhabi"... 

[Buck_Mulligan]

State department has advised over one million US citizens in an unprecedented 14 countries to skedaddle on commercial flights, apparently unaware that the region is already suffering flight chaos.

[Auroras In Ice]

Cope and seethe libtards! Look how happy Iranians are!



This kid was so happy, she spilled juice on her backpack and forgot it there as she went prancing through the streets.





Anyway, this is mostly Israel's war to balkanize Iran and further destabilize the region for their Greater Israel project. They'll fight down to the last US soldier to get it, and I'm hoping Trump has enough sense to declare some sort of imaginary victory and step down before this escalates even more. Not sure if he's do that, or ride with Bibi into hell.

[Mr. Mindy Shhon]

[Psy-Fi]

Anyone remember this blast from the past?...

McCain Sings "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"

[Psy-Fi]

Israeli spies 'hacked every traffic camera in Tehran to plot killing of Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei'

[Weekender]

This a thread to discuss the current war that is being waged in Iran by The US and Israel.  Share your thoughts or post news about said topic here.



I've basically been expecting this war since Oct 7th. It's very predictable that they would try to take out the "head of the hydra," as they put it.  I'm very confident this war is going to usher in a brand  new era of people in the middle east loving Israel and America. 

It seems that the "lesson" that was learned from Iraq was not to send ground troops, rather than not to try to topple regimes.  The problem is actually  sending in your own troops to die.  That's what "the American people" are actually sensitive to.

But with no ground forces, there can be no regime change.  Killing the Ayatollah doesn't scratch the surface.  Somebody has to fight the IRGC, Basij, etc.  So it seems the plan is just to start bombing and then put out some posts in Farsi urging the people to rise up.  Rise up with what exactly? There's no formidable armed opposition forces that are in a place to challenge the IRGC.

Given enough chaos you might see uprising by the Kurds or other ethnic minorities, but this will likely only serve as yet another destabilizing influence which makes iran less likely to emerge with as strong of a grip on its own territory, and which provides additional sectarian fault lines to act as potential flash points for conflict and division.

The conventional Iranian army isn't as powerful, well armed, or well trained as the IRGC is. They're also not as ideologically driven.  So you could see a part of the army split off and fight the IRGC, but the IRGC has the upper hand in that match up.

There are a lot of war hawks who have been trying to present the idea that Iran is "more sophisticated," "more pro democracy," "less sectarian" etc to try to suggest that a massive civil war like what happened in Iraq, Syria, etc won't be as likely in Iran. 

But as I've just spelled out, it's not clear how you get to regime change without taking on the IRGC and Basij militias.  That requires a ground force.  Either America and Israel would need  to send their own troops, or there would have to be forces within Iran capable of doing the job. 

In Libya, the NATO forces basically provided air support to rebels that were fighting on the ground.  In this case, America and Israel seem to be trying to foment such an uprising. The only possible way i see that working out is through a fairly bloody civil war.  I hope I'm wrong.

I think Israel is content with turning Iran into a failed state or potentially even seeing it fragment into multiple rump states. So from their POV, this strategy works fine.  But how this is in the US's interest is beyond me.  I don't see why we even still have such a heavy interest in the middle east in the 21st century.  But one thing I can say is our stockpiles are being depleted significantly.  I even saw my favorite yamuka-boy, Ben Shaprio, trying to suggest this was necessary for showing China and Russia that we mean business Imagine what we would do if China picked now or soon after to move on Taiwan.  What would America's options even be?

The great Satan refuses to ever be humbled. We'll just keep taking failed wars on the chin until we lose our place at the top of the pack.

 Iran's determination to enrich uranium is an issue but I'm not convinced we exhausted our diplomatic options. (Art of the deal, my ass)

Regime change is nonsense, it won't wont work but I assume this is just about putting Iran in its place. All in all a pretty disgusting violation of international law and an affront to all that is just and right.

[Buck_Mulligan]

It's just like the "Special Military Operation" in Ukraine...

Wait, can we call it that? Trump called it a war. So has Hegseth. The Associated Press said it meets the criteria of one.

Still, Sen. Markwayne Mullin doubled down yesterday, again correcting an interviewer who asked him about Iran. "This isn't a war. We haven't declared war," Mullin said on CNN.

"Strategic strikes are not war," Rep. Anna Paulina Luna argued Sunday on MS NOW. In the talking-points memo that the White House reportedly sent to Hill Republicans, the suggested boilerplate response to the straightforward question, "Is the U.S. at war with Iran?" notably does not answer the question.

Casualties are increasing. Iran is still bombing U.S. assets. So why might semantics matter?

"This is just absolute pretzel-twisting from members who are trying to justify this as something that doesn't need to be constitutionally validated by Congress," Cato Institute defense policy scholar Katherine Thompson told Emily.

Plus, among Republicans, Mullin and Luna might be tilting at this windmill alone. Sen. John Boozman told Emily it is, in fact, a war. "We're bombing a bunch of people," he said. "If they did the same thing to us, I think we'd call it that."

Other Republican senators didn't care what it's called. "It is what it is. Let's be successful as quickly as we can," Sen. Ted Budd said.

"I don't think the semantics matter at this point," Sen. Cynthia Lummis said. "Regardless of what we call it, I'm OK with what we're doing."

[Auroras In Ice]

Whatever miniscule liking of I had of this guy is gone. Carney is refusing to rule out jumping into this mess to "help our allies"... the ally being the one who repeatedly threatens to annex us and who he was elected to stand up to. Fucking lapdog piece of shit.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/mideast-conflict/article/canada-wont-rule-out-military-participation-in-middle-east-conflict-pm-carney/

[Psy-Fi]

Iran targets headquarters of Iranian Kurdish forces in Iraq

[Mr. Mindy Shhon]

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