https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.
On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
if you have a penis you shouldn't participate in women's sports or be incarcerated with women
these are big losers for the left because the mental gymnastics it takes to think otherwise are herculean
it's like yeah i love you; sure you're really a woman nope you can't be on the team
hormones and yada yada don't care just nah nope no
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.
On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.
women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PMQuote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.
On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.
women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth
I mean, I don't doubt it, but how do you compare sport viewing and music consumption?
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PMQuote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.
On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.
women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth
No, they're not more popular than me.
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:25 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PMQuote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.
On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.
women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth
I mean, I don't doubt it, but how do you compare sport viewing and music consumption?
attendance revenue media coverage whatever metric
people actually do care about women's sports
QuoteNo trans woman is out to rape women in bathrooms or prisons, and forcing them into those male environments is endangering them greatly
i think i'm the only one who has even mentioned prison reform and the problems with rape sexual assault torture and extreme bullying in american prisons
that's a bread and butter talking point when it comes to america's social problems with me
putting penises in female prisons is absolute madness
i'll support other segregation trans only annexes
the abolition of prison altogether
but penises - the primary instrument of rape- in women's prisons - it's not even on the table
yes trans women will be demolished in make prisons
so will fifty something white men with diabetes who have to urinate every thirty minutes
i would be raped repeatedly same as you
it's a prison reform issue
going to the bathroom and going to prison- the arguments might sound the same to you and i don't blame you for arguing on your own behalf- you should - but it's not the same
i get they both cast trans women as predators- but it's not like trans women can't be predators (or imposters) and prison culture as it is today is hunters and hunted
i know you don't want trans women to be hunted - i don't either but women in women's prisons shouldn't have to deal with a new class of penis having inmates
I apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AMI apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.
What was it 😲
Guessing you edited your post. Was it abusive or something?
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2023, 01:28 AMQuote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AMI apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.
What was it 😲
Guessing you edited your post. Was it abusive or something?
I posted in response to Toy Revolver's post about trans people in sports and prisons. I was attempting to debate him, but I deleted the post as I have been trying to stay out of debates on current issues for the sake of my own mental health.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2023, 01:28 AMQuote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AMI apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.
What was it 😲
Guessing you edited your post. Was it abusive or something?
Oh now, you don't expect our Lady to be abusive do you? She's one of the nicest people on here!
As for the story, I find this a tough one. I believe trans people are not being excluded due to their gender per se, or as a a way to, Florida-style, cull them from history, or whatever, but I think it hinges more on the fact that, no matter how much a man may change when they transition, much of the male attributes may still be there, possibly. I'm not sure. I'm not saying every trans woman is a musclebound guy in disguise or anything, but I think the worry is that some male "attributes", in terms of maybe stamina, energy, speed, constitution and all that may remain, and may be seen to put, um, how do I refer to them? Genetically original females? Anyway, those who are born as female is what I mean, may put them at a disadvantage.
I'm not sure. But I suppose as long as the objection is more on a basis of fairness to all rather than discrimination to one gender, I'd support it. I wonder if anyone has considered a trans sports thing? Trans teams competing against each other? Couldn't ban them from that. Florida would of course, as would probably Texas, but I'm talking about sane people here.
Wouldn't you end up in the same situation? Segregating trans men teams from trans women teams?
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900
Thoughts on this?
My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
i mean honestly they should just let them in. We might finally see some good dunks in the WNBA.
Women's cycling champ quits after loss to trans rider (https://nypost.com/2023/03/23/transgender-cyclist-wins-nyc-womens-race/)QuoteShe said that it "has become increasingly discouraging to train as hard as I do only to have to lose to a man with the unfair advantage of an androgenized body that intrinsically gives him an obvious advantage over me, no matter how hard I train."
"I feel for young girls learning to compete and who are growing up in a day when they no longer have a fair chance at being the new record holders and champions in cycling," she wrote.
"I have felt deeply angered, disappointed, overlooked, and humiliated that the rule makers of women's sports do not feel it is necessary to protect women's sports to ensure fair competition for women anymore," she wrote in the filing.
I think the trans women in sports issue is complex and sensitive. I'm not sure what I think should be the solution, but I know it should be discussed in a careful and nuanced way, and I have seen none of that here. Especially Hawk's comments are insensitive and short-sighted. It doesn't sit well with me that nobody is calling it out and Synthgirl is the only one apologising here
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 12:07 PMI think the trans women in sports issue is complex and sensitive. I'm not sure what I think should be the solution, but I know it should be discussed in a careful and nuanced way, and I have seen none of that here. Especially Hawk's comments are insensitive and short-sighted. It doesn't sit well with me that nobody is calling it out and Synthgirl is the only one apologising here
Very well said and I totally agree. This does not make for a friendly, welcoming community.
the issue is a no win
you say yes and you're against fair play for women
you say no and you're transphobic
i quess i care more about the integrity of women's sports than i do about this particular right
the uncomfortable truth is you basically have to decide if trans women are women or trans
measuring hormones or whatever doesn't cut it with sports so it forces your hand
it's an unfair litmus test if you want to support trans women and still keep within the parameters of credulity
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 12:07 PMI think the trans women in sports issue is complex and sensitive. I'm not sure what I think should be the solution, but I know it should be discussed in a careful and nuanced way, and I have seen none of that here. Especially Hawk's comments are insensitive and short-sighted. It doesn't sit well with me that nobody is calling it out and Synthgirl is the only one apologising here
Well I sent her a DM to ask if I should delete the post. I can't really 'call out' something I didn't see the full posts before they were edited/removed.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 24, 2023, 02:14 PMthe issue is a no win
you say yes and you're against fair play for women
you say no and you're transphobic
i quess i care more about the integrity of women's sports than i do about this particular right
the uncomfortable truth is you basically have to decide if trans women are women or trans
measuring hormones or whatever doesn't cut it with sports so it forces your hand
it's an unfair litmus test if you want to support trans women and still keep within the parameters of credulity
my point is that precisely because it's uncomfortable and it's not trivial to arrive at a satisfactory solution we should treat the problem carefully. My problem is not with whether your answer to the dilemma is a yes or no, but whether the answer is argued with the proper care and respect
For the record, my deleted post only talked about the safety of trans women in prison, I did not weigh in on the sports issue. I did not feel uncomfortable or disrespected by Toy Revolver posting his views on penis-having trans women in prison. I disagreed with them and then I deleted the post as I ultimately felt like I did not wish to have a debate. Thank you for your understanding and attention to sensitivity and respect.
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 03:18 PMFor the record, my deleted post only talked about the safety of trans women in prison, I did not weigh in on the sports issue. I did not feel uncomfortable or disrespected by Toy Revolver posting his views on penis-having trans women in prison. I disagreed with them and then I deleted the post as I ultimately felt like I did not wish to have a debate. Thank you for your understanding and attention to sensitivity and respect.
it's ok not to dis me despite popular opinion 💕
Don't be childish. I'm not trying to diss you or trying to pick an argument. I'm just explaining, speaking for myself only, why I have an issue with your post, and being petty about it is not an appropriate reaction
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 04:36 PMDon't be childish. I'm not trying to diss you or trying to pick an argument. I'm just explaining, speaking for myself only, why I have an issue with your post, and being petty about it is not an appropriate reaction
yes ma'am
God damn it. I wrote a long-ish post responding to you, Marie, but for some reason it's vanished, like an old oak table. Sorry, that's varnished. Well, it's gone anyway.
Basically, I wanted to apologise if anything I said upset anyone, which I hope it did not.
I also wanted to point out that I think it's wrong for the female athlete to have used the word "man" to describe a trans athlete. Wrong and quite possibly part of an agenda to skew opinion onto her side. And completely disingenuous. Trans do not want to be referred to as men, they've made huge efforts to leave that behind, and it's really borderline hateful to insist on calling them by the term they've struggled to ditch.
I wish I had my original post, but that's the gist I guess.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 24, 2023, 04:47 PMGod damn it. I wrote a long-ish post responding to you, Marie, but for some reason it's vanished, like an old oak table. Sorry, that's varnished. Well, it's gone anyway.
Basically, I wanted to apologise if anything I said upset anyone, which I hope it did not.
I also wanted to point out that I think it's wrong for the female athlete to have used the word "man" to describe a trans athlete. Wrong and quite possibly part of an agenda to skew opinion onto her side. And completely disingenuous. Trans do not want to be referred to as men, they've made huge efforts to leave that behind, and it's really borderline hateful to insist on calling them by the term they've struggled to ditch.
I wish I had my original post, but that's the gist I guess.
i really don't care about the sports thing that much. Call me crazy but we're talking about a field where to be the greatest you have to be on fuckin steroids that make you want to murder your family like chris benoit.
I think the prison thing is questionable but i also think it's definitely true that trans women will be much more at risk in men's prison. I could see a separate wing or something in the woman's prison. I don't really know.
And the bathrooms thing is a completely contrived culture war. Who is checking ids? Either you pass the looks based test to enter the woman's room or you don't. It's women at the end of the day who police that shit.
the dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
QuoteAnd the bathrooms thing is a completely contrived culture war. Who is checking ids? Either you pass the looks based test to enter the woman's room or you don't. It's women at the end of the day who police that shit.
except at school, which is stupidly compulsory - but forcing children to do things they don't want to is totally cool since oprah hasn't told everyone it isn't yet
Inside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)
that's wild
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 02:25 PMQuote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)
that's wild
Indeed.
It's got all the makings of a hit TV mini-series.
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 04:05 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 02:25 PMQuote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)
that's wild
Indeed.
It's got all the makings of a hit TV mini-series.
i'm sure netflix and hulu are on it like ants on candy
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/24/world/fungus-pandemic-frogs-amphibians-scn
frog fungus
this is so disturbing to me makes my skin crawl - nature can be so hideous
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)
I find it hilarious that the fund this guy stole four bill from is almost IMDB! :laughing:
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
QuoteAnd the bathrooms thing is a completely contrived culture war. Who is checking ids? Either you pass the looks based test to enter the woman's room or you don't. It's women at the end of the day who police that shit.
except at school, which is stupidly compulsory - but forcing children to do things they don't want to is totally cool since oprah hasn't told everyone it isn't yet
i would never deny being misogynistic so that's a pretty lame attempt at a gotcha.
honestly your side acts like the T's are poised to completely take over women's sports when the reality is its just a handful of athletes and they can't compete in the mens league either. The choice at the moment is either the women's league lets them in and they have a handful of trans athletes in their leagues or else trans women don't get to play sports. That's just the reality.
As for the school comment..i don't even get what point you are trying to drive at or how it relates to the portion of my post you quoted.
1) i'm not trying get a gotcha
2) school is the primary place where people are forced to be in a location all day and have to go to use toilets that provide insufficient privacy
the complaint about the compulsory component was at least 90% a non-sequitur or just a random semi-related thought
quit acting like pre-post-modernist
it's 2023
QuoteThe choice at the moment is either the women's league lets them in and they have a handful of trans athletes in their leagues or else trans women don't get to play sports.
lol thanks for the breakdown
So it was 100% unrelated and you could have just as easily posted it without quoting me. I don't like it when people pretend to respond to me. Either do or don't.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 08:42 PMlol thanks for the breakdown
So why do you think trans women shouldn't be able to play sports?
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 08:48 PMSo it was 100% unrelated and you could have just as easily posted it without quoting me. I don't like it when people pretend to respond to me. Either do or don't.
did yall see that tornado in mississippi
No you post shit that looks superficially like an argument. But it's not. It's a deflection.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
Do you watch women's sports?
Only the high school leagues.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
Do you watch women's sports?
yes - college basketball and soccer mostly
i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year
i also like gymnastics
I don't watch women's sport for the same reason I don't watch youth sport or non league. It is not the top level.
Except at youth level in the men's you will at least see the most talented kids who might be the future of the sport.
You don't get that in women's.
I don't think it's misogyny. Just reality. If you're happy watching lower level that's fine but I'm not.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
Do you watch women's sports?
yes - college basketball and soccer mostly
i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year
i also like gymnastics
how many lay ups have you counted so far?
I really don't watch sports in general anymore except for occasionally the NFL. I'm a Giants fan so even that is a kinda depressing experience
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:49 PMI don't watch women's sport for the same reason I don't watch youth sport or non league. It is not the top level.
Except at youth level in the men's you will at least see the most talented kids who might be the future of the sport.
You don't get that in women's.
I don't think it's misogyny. Just reality. If you're happy watching lower level that's fine but I'm not.
Have to say I'm the same. Tried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else) but the roar of the crowd wasn't there, didn't know any of the players and basically it meant nothing to me. I mean, fair play to them and I know they do well, and it's quite popular, but give me the men's football every time. I'll watch ice skating or tennis, that's about it for women's sports, or women in sports.
But jwb makes a good point about trans athletes: it's a case of falling between two stools isn't it, neither of which wants them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Very tough.
Lingerie football is a thing? Why am I only learning about this now???
Also, is this the only sport in which a streaker is fully clothed when they invade the pitch? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
QuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)
lol anything has to be better than irish soccer
3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it
how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country
that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PMQuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)
lol anything has to be better than irish soccer
3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it
how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country
that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed
Add Celtic to that. And this absolutely takes the piss, by the way.
For a country who never stops going on about how much they hate the British they do love supporting our teams and walking about in our football shirts.
This is not directed toward you Trolls.
Unless you consider yourself anti British, then it is.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 08:42 PMto use toilets that provide insufficient privacy
If you are referring to the gaps between stall doors and under the door...yea what the fuck is that. My whole life wondered why on earth that became the norm in America. Who wants people to see in while youre shitting.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 25, 2023, 10:02 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:49 PMI don't watch women's sport for the same reason I don't watch youth sport or non league. It is not the top level.
Except at youth level in the men's you will at least see the most talented kids who might be the future of the sport.
You don't get that in women's.
I don't think it's misogyny. Just reality. If you're happy watching lower level that's fine but I'm not.
Have to say I'm the same. Tried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else) but the roar of the crowd wasn't there, didn't know any of the players and basically it meant nothing to me. I mean, fair play to them and I know they do well, and it's quite popular, but give me the men's football every time. I'll watch ice skating or tennis, that's about it for women's sports, or women in sports.
But jwb makes a good point about trans athletes: it's a case of falling between two stools isn't it, neither of which wants them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Very tough.
no thank you. Instead we'll keep calling it football and referring to teams that win the superbowl as the "world champions" lol.
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Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PMQuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)
lol anything has to be better than irish soccer
3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it
how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country
that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed
Absolutely agree. Irish team should disband and fuck off. Biggest cheer we get is when we qualify for a World Cup or European Championship, and then everyone expects us to suck. And we do not disappoint.
Not to mention that most of our better players - all right, all of our better - damn it, ok! All of our players who are anyway decent at all - play in the English leagues anyway, so how Irish are we? We do excel at falling apart when it counts most that we don't. I used to have in my sig on MB "as Irish as losing a three-nil lead in a must-win fixture." Not that, as far as I know, we were ever three goals ahead.
Our biggest and most memorable - and kind of only real - victory was beating world champions Italy 1-0 at Giants Stadium. We'll always have that.
Which is just as well, as we'll never see those days again! :laughing:
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 26, 2023, 03:36 AMGuest
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PMQuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)
lol anything has to be better than irish soccer
3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it
how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country
that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed
Absolutely agree. Irish team should disband and fuck off. Biggest cheer we get is when we qualify for a World Cup or European Championship, and then everyone expects us to suck. And we do not disappoint.
Not to mention that most of our better players - all right, all of our better - damn it, ok! All of our players who are anyway decent at all - play in the English leagues anyway, so how Irish are we? We do excel at falling apart when it counts most that we don't. I used to have in my sig on MB "as Irish as losing a three-nil lead in a must-win fixture." Not that, as far as I know, we were ever three goals ahead.
Our biggest and most memorable - and kind of only real - victory was beating world champions Italy 1-0 at Giants Stadium. We'll always have that.
Which is just as well, as we'll never see those days again! :laughing:
i remember that world cup but not that game
it was huge in america and i remember when usa played brazil brazil was down a man so i thought we might win but brazil still won
wikipedia says it ended brazil beating italy in a shootout but i don't remember that
i just remember everyone had a soccer fever and that one game
I'm sure it was yet another riveting 1-0 match. Soccer is so boring that it's the only sport where they play right through the fuckin commercial breaks. That's why they have to shout goal for 45 seconds straight every time someone scores.
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 09:58 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
Do you watch women's sports?
yes - college basketball and soccer mostly
i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year
i also like gymnastics
how many lay ups have you counted so far?
I really don't watch sports in general anymore except for occasionally the NFL. I'm a Giants fan so even that is a kinda depressing experience
A Giants fan?! Well thanks bro for Kadarius Toney. That dude was a difference maker in the Super Bowl.
Also, how do you feel about the Danny Dimes contract? :laughing:
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 11:47 PMno thank you. Instead we'll keep calling it football and referring to teams that win the superbowl as the "world champions" lol.
Yup, world champs because we're waiting for the rest of the world to put together team(s) that can compete - but there's never any takers. And yeah, soccer is a snorefest. Give me true blue American Football over that nyquil-like sport any day.
You people suck. :puke:
Football rules. Hand Egg sucks.
Right to the last fucking kick, lads. Right to the last fucking kick.
Americans not getting soccerball is fine afaic. Those who are passionate about it (and talk about "the numbers" or stuff like how Messi is coming to Miami because they promised him 30% of the club's stock if he's signign with them and their stock price rose by a lot in the past few years etc) are far, far more annoying
Quote from: SGR on Mar 26, 2023, 08:04 AMQuote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 09:58 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone
Do you watch women's sports?
yes - college basketball and soccer mostly
i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year
i also like gymnastics
how many lay ups have you counted so far?
I really don't watch sports in general anymore except for occasionally the NFL. I'm a Giants fan so even that is a kinda depressing experience
A Giants fan?! Well thanks bro for Kadarius Toney. That dude was a difference maker in the Super Bowl.
Also, how do you feel about the Danny Dimes contract? :laughing:
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 11:47 PMno thank you. Instead we'll keep calling it football and referring to teams that win the superbowl as the "world champions" lol.
Yup, world champs because we're waiting for the rest of the world to put together team(s) that can compete - but there's never any takers. And yeah, soccer is a snorefest. Give me true blue American Football over that nyquil-like sport any day.
sigh.... i guess we will probably find out next season whether it was just a fluke. I never thought i would actually miss the runt of the Manning family.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 27, 2023, 04:55 PMYou people suck. :puke:
Football rules. Hand Egg sucks.
Right to the last fucking kick, lads. Right to the last fucking kick.
haha video not available
Apparently my country doesn't even want me watching a single clip of your shitty third world sport. I rarely side with the censors but this one was probably a good call.
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 27, 2023, 09:07 PMQuote from: Trollheart on Mar 27, 2023, 04:55 PMYou people suck. :puke:
Football rules. Hand Egg sucks.
Right to the last fucking kick, lads. Right to the last fucking kick.
haha video not available
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Haha video must have been blocked by Man United!
(It was Aguerro scoring the winning goal that won Man City the Premiership title in 2012, thus denying, in mere seconds, it to their hated rivals, Man United, who were all but popping champagne corks at the time)
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just posting this nytimes screenshot to point out how popular women's sports are in america- i consider it a good quality about our culture-
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Some of our most popular / well known athletes are women, like Marit Bjørgen and Therese Johaug. This is long distance skiing by the way. Women's handball was a lot more popular than men's as well. Our most famous boxer is a woman, Cecilie Brækhus.
I assume man dominated sports or men's leagues are still more popular (the only sport I ever slightly cared about is chess, so I don't know much), but it's not one-sided here at least. Put on the spot, I could name more female athletes.
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 02, 2023, 11:56 PMSome of our most popular / well known athletes are women, like Marit Bjørgen and Therese Johaug. This is long distance skiing by the way. Women's handball was a lot more popular than men's as well. Our most famous boxer is a woman, Cecilie Brækhus.
I assume man dominated sports or men's leagues are still more popular (the only sport I ever slightly cared about is chess, so I don't know much), but it's not one-sided here at least. Put on the spot, I could name more female athletes.
lol... long distance skiing and handball huh? I stand corrected then. :p
Quote from: Jwb on Apr 03, 2023, 06:28 AMQuote from: Guybrush on Apr 02, 2023, 11:56 PMSome of our most popular / well known athletes are women, like Marit Bjørgen and Therese Johaug. This is long distance skiing by the way. Women's handball was a lot more popular than men's as well. Our most famous boxer is a woman, Cecilie Brækhus.
I assume man dominated sports or men's leagues are still more popular (the only sport I ever slightly cared about is chess, so I don't know much), but it's not one-sided here at least. Put on the spot, I could name more female athletes.
lol... long distance skiing and handball huh? I stand corrected then. :p
It's all a big yawn to me, but at least I think handball has a lot more scores than soccer.
Why soccer? American football is probably more fun, but then your athletes do get swiss cheese brains from all the concussions.
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 03, 2023, 06:45 AMAmerican football is probably more fun, but then your athletes do get swiss cheese brains from all the concussions.
It seems like half of them are already that way even before they start playing football.
Going to be an absolute shitfest after this.
https://news.sky.com/story/paris-2024-boxer-who-failed-gender-eligibility-test-at-world-championships-wins-olympic-bout-in-46-seconds-after-opponent-quits-13188674
QuoteA boxer who was previously banned from competing in the world championships because she failed testosterone and gender eligibility tests has won her opening Olympic bout after her opponent quit.
Algeria's Imane Khelif won in just 46 seconds after the Italian Angela Carini quit in the 66kg category.
The pair had only a few punch exchanges before Carini abandoned the bout - an extremely unusual occurrence in Olympic boxing.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Aug 01, 2024, 04:32 PMGoing to be an absolute shitfest after this.
https://news.sky.com/story/paris-2024-boxer-who-failed-gender-eligibility-test-at-world-championships-wins-olympic-bout-in-46-seconds-after-opponent-quits-13188674
So this is not a trans woman but a cis woman with naturally high testosterone levels, no?
QuoteIgnoring the Algerian, the Italian fighter then plunged to her knees and burst into tears as she said she had never felt such strong blows in a contest before.
Lol like, sorry lady, but you got your ass kicked by another girl. Nice try weaponizing your tears.
Quite the slippery slope to assess the "right" level of hormones to be deemed gender eligible.
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 04:54 PMSo this is not a trans woman but a cis woman with high testosterone levels, no?
The IBA has said no, the Olympics have said yes.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Aug 01, 2024, 04:57 PMThe IBA has said no, the Olympics have said yes.
Reading her history she grew up in rural Algeria, and wasn't allowed to play sports as a kid because she was a girl.
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 04:59 PMReading her history she grew up in rural Algeria, and wasn't allowed to play sports as a kid because she was a girl.
There seems to be a bit of a conflict between the IBA and Olympics as to what tests have been done and what the results were.
If she is a biological woman then I can't see why she shouldn't be allowed to box.
I found no evidence whatsoever that she's trans, and there's certainly evidence to the contrary. Also the Italian opponent clearly stated that her abandonment of the match is not meant as criticism (whether that's true or not, but that doesn't really matter). Just another case of an article being phrased to insinuate stuff to make people angry
She's just a beast. In the most complimentary of ways.
Kermit and his ilk can't wrap their heads around the duality of hormones lol.
Quote from: Marie Monday on Aug 01, 2024, 05:18 PMI found no evidence whatsoever that she's trans, and there's certainly evidence to the contrary. Also the Italian opponent clearly stated that her abandonment of the match is not meant as criticism (whether that's true or not, but that doesn't really matter). Just another case of an article being phrased to insinuate stuff to make people angry
IDK, Mary. I think it's possible that a country that banned gender affirming care might use a transgender person to represent their country in the Olympics.
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 05:32 PMShe's just a beast. In the most complimentary of ways.
Seems like this is most likely the case yes.
Funny isn't it, there's just old-fashioned sexism behind it too. If a man is really strong everyone thinks it's badass, but when it's a woman it's Wrong somehow and testosterone levels are investigated
Quote from: Marie Monday on Aug 01, 2024, 06:29 PMFunny isn't it, there's just old-fashioned sexism behind it too. If a man is really strong everyone thinks it's badass, but when it's a woman it's Wrong somehow and testosterone levels are investigated
Not really pretty much every pro athlete is tested regularly for things like that and also the presence of banned substances.
It's the scaremongering though that makes people think testosterone = trans = bad
To a broader point, what boxer, who trains and knows full well what boxing is and what it entails, cries foul when they get their face punched in? What viewers cry foul when watching a boxing match as someone gets their face punched in and says: "Oh my god, can you believe it?! They just got their face punched in!! The horror!!"
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Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 05:32 PMKermit and his ilk can't wrap their heads around the duality of hormones lol.
Don't you bring Kermit into this.
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Jokes aside it's pretty fucked up that this athlete's life is now in danger because being trans or "intersex" is illegal in Algeria.
I'd love to see her smash a few more skulls in
Admittedly, I haven't kept up really with this situation, but how is her life in danger? I mean, would the government of Algeria persecute someone like her because she has higher testosterone than your average woman? I mean, I doubt it if she's in the Olympics bringing them victories and glory (then again, what the fuck do I know about Algerian law?). Or do you think she faces threats from public violence?
Quote from: SGR on Aug 01, 2024, 11:16 PMAdmittedly, I haven't kept up really with this situation, but how is her life in danger? I mean, would the government of Algeria persecute someone like her because she has higher testosterone than your average woman? I mean, I doubt it if she's in the Olympics bringing them victories and glory (then again, what the fuck do I know about Algerian law?). Or do you think she faces threats from public violence?
The latter. How humiliating to have your gender be a topic of discussion on a global level.
JK Rowling for example, is using her platform to call Khalif a man.
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 11:30 PMThe latter. How humiliating to have your gender be a topic of discussion on a global level.
JK Rowling for example, is using her platform to call Khalif a man.
I think I need to read up a bit on Algeria and its political climate. But yeah, that is humiliating.
JK Rowling is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Quote from: SGR on Aug 01, 2024, 11:38 PMI think I need to read up a bit on Algeria and its political climate. But yeah, that is humiliating.
lol enjoy
Luce is all "oh a country that banned gender affirming care" like bruh, lol, apples to fucking zucchinis
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 11:51 PMlol enjoy
Luce is all "oh a country that banned gender affirming care" like bruh, lol, apples to fucking zucchinis
Took the words right of out of my mouth.
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 11:51 PMlol enjoy
Luce is all "oh a country that banned gender affirming care" like bruh, lol, apples to fucking zucchinis
In what way?
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 01, 2024, 11:51 PMlol enjoy
Luce is all "oh a country that banned gender affirming care" like bruh, lol, apples to fucking zucchinis
QuoteArticle 333 of the Algerian law (English translation) reads:
"When the outrage to public decency has consisted of an act against nature with an individual of the same sex, the penalty is imprisonment of between 6 months and 3 years, and a fine of between 1,000 and 10,000 Algerian Dinars."
— Article 333, ILGA May 2008 world laws report[3]
Vigilante executions,[5] beatings,[6] and torture[7] are also allowed with police joining in on the attacks,[7] being complicit, or turning a blind eye.[6]
The criminals laws originate from the prevailing mores in Algeria that view homosexuality and cross-dressing as against the Islamic faith.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Algeria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Algeria)
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Quote from: Lucem Ferre on Aug 02, 2024, 02:08 AMYes.
You're asking why it's inappropriate to compare social policy and identity politics in the US to Algeria?
Like, am I missing something?
Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Aug 02, 2024, 02:13 AMYou're asking why it's inappropriate to compare social policy and identity politics in the US to Algeria?
Like, am I missing something?
Is that what you think I was doing?
I felt as if I was trying to point out the ridiculousness of a country like Algeria sending a trans person to represent them in the olympics.
Quote from: Lucem Ferre on Aug 02, 2024, 02:18 AMIs that what you think I was doing?
I felt as if I was trying to point out the ridiculousness of a country like Algeria sending a trans person to represent them in the olympics.
That's why I'm clarifying!
No I got the initial joke, and was alluding to it even, but then was confused by you questioning the apples to zucchinis thing.
I think I get what you're saying.
So, people who say being male or female depends on chromosomes and type of genitals are now saying simply having higher testosterone makes someone male? Interesting.
Quote from: grindy on Aug 02, 2024, 06:18 AMSo, people who say being male or female depends on chromosomes and type of genitals are now saying simply having higher testosterone makes someone male? Interesting.
Yeah, it's so exasperating and speaks to how their "logic" has no internal consistency.
They're saying that even though she was born with a vagina and uterus, her unusually high testosterone makes her a man... and yet these are the exact. same. people. who say that trans men, who also were born with vaginas and uteruses and have unusually high testosterone, are not men. It's such a colossal joke, and a cruel one at that.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Aug 02, 2024, 10:16 AMYeah, it's so exasperating and speaks to how their "logic" has no internal consistency.
They're saying that even though she was born with a vagina and uterus, her unusually high testosterone makes her a man... and yet these are the exact. same. people. who say that trans men, who also were born with vaginas and uteruses and have unusually high testosterone, are not men. It's such a colossal joke, and a cruel one at that.
I always wonder how many of these people were the first ones to call a guy a girl to insult them at the first sign of any "feminine" quality.
Quote from: Lucem Ferre on Aug 02, 2024, 03:59 PMI always wonder how many of these people were the first ones to call a guy a girl to insult them at the first sign of any "feminine" quality.
100%
Just can't win
Quote from: Lucem Ferre on Aug 02, 2024, 03:59 PMI always wonder how many of these people were the first ones to call a guy a girl to insult them at the first sign of any "feminine" quality.
this is exactly why I hate it so much. It's the same shit I got over me as a kid, but hiding behind feminism.
Quote from: Marie Monday on Aug 02, 2024, 04:31 PMthis is exactly why I hate it so much. It's the same shit I got over me as a kid, but hiding behind feminism.
Yep. It's all misogyny at the end of the day. (and also rape and pedophilia if you ask th)
As far as I know she is genetically XXY which is why there is a question over her competing with XX females. I just thought I'd let yous know as so far I didn't see it mentioned.
Quote from: FETCHER. on Aug 02, 2024, 10:56 PMAs far as I know she is genetically XXY which is why there is a question over her competing with XX females. I just thought I'd let yous know as so far I didn't see it mentioned.
Right, and that's why it's completely disingenuous that TERFs are bringing trans people into it at all, not to mention saying ignorant and mean spirited things like calling her a man.
This could have been discussed practically and rationally but as usual JK Rowling and her cronies refuse to be normal about non-cis sex and gender.
Yeah she is definitely not a trans woman so I don't know why it keeps being portrayed that way. I was actually quite surprised when I read that she was genetically XXY because of how much the reports shoved the word trans in my face.
You have to wonder what these type of people would have thought of, say, Martina Navratilova, or some of the more, what would you say, butch female East German athletes of the 1970s/1980s? Fucking hell. ::) Guess this is what happens when we live in a world when you can literally create your own reality, to suit your personal bias, and others support you.
#RIPTruthandLogic
Quote from: Trollheart on Aug 03, 2024, 12:17 AMYou have to wonder what these type of people would have thought of, say, Martina Navratilova, or some of the more, what would you say, butch female East German athletes of the 1970s/1980s? Fucking hell. ::) Guess this is what happens when we live in a world when you can literally create your own reality, to suit your personal bias, and others support you.
#RIPTruthandLogic
and you have a personal bias that gender is a concrete binary thing that has existed the exact same way throughout history
the reality is that trans identities are real and this kind of dismissive logic really solidifies why it's a travesty that the older generations are the ones with the most say in how the world is run. we are real and predate this colonial way of thinking
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Aug 03, 2024, 01:59 AMand you have a personal bias that gender is a concrete binary thing that has existed the exact same way throughout history
the reality is that trans identities are real and this kind of dismissive logic really solidifies why it's a travesty that the older generations are the ones with the most say in how the world is run. we are real and predate this colonial way of thinking
I hope I'm reading that wrong and you're not accusing me personally of having a bias?
Quote from: Trollheart on Aug 03, 2024, 02:06 AMI hope I'm reading that wrong and you're not accusing me personally of having a bias?
everyone has a bias of some sort right?
you have the bias of probably not having talked to very many trans people during your life
That's a bit presumptious of you now to be fair. Other than what I post here, you know nothing about me. Whether I've met, know or are friends with such people is beside the point. I don't know many black people but don't consider myself racist. Do I have to have a lot of friends or relations with different gender identities to be able to sympathise with them? Frankly, if this isn't a troll, I'm quite insulted.
I also don't see the point of such a comment, or judgement upon my character, as I think I made it clear I don't support such bigotry. Different if I had said these guys have a point, but I didn't, because I don't think they do.
Quote from: Trollheart on Aug 03, 2024, 02:15 AMThat's a bit presumptious of you now to be fair. Other than what I post here, you know nothing about me. Whether I've met, know or are friends with such people is beside the point. I don't know many black people but don't consider myself racist. Do I have to have a lot of friends or relations with different gender identities to be able to sympathise with them? Frankly, if this isn't a troll, I'm quite insulted.
I might be presuming a bit by saying that, and I apologize for the rudeness. The whole, facts are logic are over with trans people thing is such a played out viewpoint that I'm sick of though, and feels incredibly demeaning and disrespectful. Whether you meant it this way or not isn't really something I know though, and I should have approached the topic with less malice, despite that it may have come from a place of having heard this before approaching it with further disrespect is not fair to you either.
Quote from: Trollheart on Aug 03, 2024, 02:15 AMThat's a bit presumptious of you now to be fair. Other than what I post here, you know nothing about me. Whether I've met, know or are friends with such people is beside the point. I don't know many black people but don't consider myself racist. Do I have to have a lot of friends or relations with different gender identities to be able to sympathise with them? Frankly, if this isn't a troll, I'm quite insulted.
I also don't see the point of such a comment, or judgement upon my character, as I think I made it clear I don't support such bigotry. Different if I had said these guys have a point, but I didn't, because I don't think they do.
Because if you knew and communicated frequently with trans people you would be a bit more.. with it. Same thing with black people. It's obvious, lol.
You can not have trans friends and still be an ally, but you have to be willing to examine your own internal bias regarding gender identity.
You can not have black friends and still be anti racist, but you have to be willing to examine your own internal bias regarding race.
Clutching your pearls over being presumed not to have many trans or black friends is evidence enough that you don't lol.
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Aug 03, 2024, 02:21 AMI might be presuming a bit by saying that, and I apologize for the rudeness. The whole, facts are logic are over with trans people thing is such a played out viewpoint that I'm sick of though, and feels incredibly demeaning and disrespectful. Whether you meant it this way or not isn't really something I know though, and I should have approached the topic with less malice, despite that it may have come from a place of having heard this before approaching it with further disrespect is not fair to you either.
I think you misunderstood TH, I don't think he was commenting on trans identities at all; I read his use of the "truth and logic are over" hashtag to refer to how
transphobes are making up their own reality by spreading misinfo about the boxer and calling her a man and such. TH has always been very supportive of trans identity, certainly supportive of me. I think this is a misunderstanding.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Aug 03, 2024, 02:56 AMI think you misunderstood TH, I don't think he was commenting on trans identities at all; I read his use of the "truth and logic are over" hashtag to refer to how transphobes are making up their own reality by spreading misinfo about the boxer and calling her a man and such. TH has always been very supportive of trans identity, certainly supportive of me. I think this is a misunderstanding.
I think I did misunderstand yeah. Sorry Trollheart my reading comprehensions is sai jfkldeiapoghreuiwnab iotneoiw ahgiorednji aj greowahnbijujlorfewaqhnbol joifehwa3hn 98grfes ior398 u(((*H gf4ew9uh jgrepoaj but I'm wokring on it
Everyone, it's cool. Lexi is correct though, and that was what I was saying. My hashtags were laments for the fact that people invent their own truth, and by that I do indeed mean bigots, homophobes (not so much homophones, but I hate those guys with their male attitude towards cell ph - what? That's not what it means? Well, I'll be jiggered), racists, right wing and all that crowd. I can understand both Steph and Tristan's anger if they thought I was saying something else. I wasn't.
Just for the record, and to make sure everyone understands, though I come from an era in which there were only two genders and four "choices", if you will - straight, gay, lesbian and bi - I have absolutely no problem with people identifying as they see fit, or prefer. Gender fluidity is "new" to me, someone who lived through a time when, for quite a while, even being gay was literally illegal and punishable by law (not that I ever agreed with that) but I'm not one to reject new ideas, if they're good. Remember, also, I had to come to terms with being able to telephone someone while out of the house, and pausing live TV! Yeah, I'm old but I hope not stuck in the past.
My own view is that if your gender (assigned) does not make you happy, if you feel better being or identifying as another, then more power to you. Do what makes you happy, is a mantra we could all live by (except that guy who gets his jollies from setting off bombs, now that I can't condone!) :laughing: But there is nothing - I repeat nothing - wrong with people choosing the gender (or even lack of gender?) that makes them happy, and those who try to force their own views and skewed morality on those people need to take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves why they feel the need to police people's - well, not even gender really, but humanity?
The Navratilova mention was to demonstrate how some female athletes - about whose gender there is no doubt, despite some off-colour jokes and remarks - can look more, if you will, masculine, and I just noted that had Martina been winning Wimbeldon in this age, the chances are these self-appointed Guardians of Gender would have tried to make out she was a man.
Anyway, long story short: gender choice good, gender choice bashing bad. I've always been of that opinion, and don't see myself changing. If I misrepresented myself please take this as setting the record straight (no pun intended). In the final analysis, are not rainbows prettier to look at than swastikas?
Peace out.
Troll.