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Title: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.

To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.

On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:20 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.

if you have a penis you shouldn't participate in women's sports or be incarcerated with women

these are big losers for the left because the mental gymnastics it takes to think otherwise are herculean

it's like yeah i love you; sure you're really a woman nope you can't be on the team

hormones and yada yada don't care just nah nope no

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.

To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.

On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.

women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:25 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.

To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.

On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.

women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth

I mean, I don't doubt it, but how do you compare sport viewing and music consumption?
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:28 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.

To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.

On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.

women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth

No, they're not more popular than me.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:44 PM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:25 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:23 PM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 11:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.

To protect the integrity of women's sports, it's probably the right move.

On the other hand, very few watch women's sports, maybe having some trans women athletes would make it more watchable.

women's basketball soccer and softball are all more popular in america than jazz for whatever that's worth

I mean, I don't doubt it, but how do you compare sport viewing and music consumption?

attendance revenue media coverage whatever metric

people actually do care about women's sports
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 24, 2023, 12:13 AM
QuoteNo trans woman is out to rape women in bathrooms or prisons, and forcing them into those male environments is endangering them greatly

i think i'm the only one who has even mentioned prison reform and the problems with rape sexual assault torture and extreme bullying in american prisons

that's a bread and butter talking point when it comes to america's social problems with me

putting penises in female prisons is absolute madness

i'll support other segregation trans only annexes

the abolition of prison altogether

but penises - the primary instrument of rape- in women's prisons - it's not even on the table

yes trans women will be demolished in make prisons

so will fifty something white men with diabetes who have to urinate every thirty minutes

i would be raped repeatedly same as you

it's a prison reform issue

going to the bathroom and going to prison- the arguments might sound the same to you and i don't blame you for arguing on your own behalf- you should - but it's not the same

i get they both cast trans women as predators- but it's not like trans women can't be predators (or imposters) and prison culture as it is today is hunters and hunted

i know you don't want trans women to be hunted - i don't either but women in women's prisons shouldn't have to deal with a new class of penis having inmates

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AM
I apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2023, 01:28 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AMI apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.

What was it 😲

Guessing you edited your post. Was it abusive or something?
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 24, 2023, 01:44 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2023, 01:28 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AMI apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.

What was it 😲

Guessing you edited your post. Was it abusive or something?

I posted in response to Toy Revolver's post about trans people in sports and prisons. I was attempting to debate him, but I deleted the post as I have been trying to stay out of debates on current issues for the sake of my own mental health.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 24, 2023, 03:06 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2023, 01:28 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 12:28 AMI apologize for posting that, I said I would keep out of controversial debates and I meant that. I gave into my impulse. I will excuse myself from this discussion.

What was it 😲

Guessing you edited your post. Was it abusive or something?

Oh now, you don't expect our Lady to be abusive do you? She's one of the nicest people on here!

As for the story, I find this a tough one. I believe trans people are not being excluded due to their gender per se, or as a a way to, Florida-style, cull them from history, or whatever, but I think it hinges more on the fact that, no matter how much a man may change when they transition, much of the male attributes may still be there, possibly. I'm not sure. I'm not saying every trans woman is a musclebound guy in disguise or anything, but I think the worry is that some male "attributes", in terms of maybe stamina, energy, speed, constitution and all that may remain, and may be seen to put, um, how do I refer to them? Genetically original females? Anyway, those who are born as female is what I mean, may put them at a disadvantage.

I'm not sure. But I suppose as long as the objection is more on a basis of fairness to all rather than discrimination to one gender, I'd support it. I wonder if anyone has considered a trans sports thing? Trans teams competing against each other? Couldn't ban them from that. Florida would of course, as would probably Texas, but I'm talking about sane people here.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: SGR on Mar 24, 2023, 03:16 AM
Wouldn't you end up in the same situation? Segregating trans men teams from trans women teams?
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 24, 2023, 04:29 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2023, 11:08 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/65051900

Thoughts on this?

My opinion: I am not that bothered about it and I don't care about women's sport but it is a pretty significant story so I thought I'd post it here.
i mean honestly they should just let them in.  We might finally see some good dunks in the WNBA.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 24, 2023, 11:57 AM
Women's cycling champ quits after loss to trans rider (https://nypost.com/2023/03/23/transgender-cyclist-wins-nyc-womens-race/)

QuoteShe said that it "has become increasingly discouraging to train as hard as I do only to have to lose to a man with the unfair advantage of an androgenized body that intrinsically gives him an obvious advantage over me, no matter how hard I train."

"I feel for young girls learning to compete and who are growing up in a day when they no longer have a fair chance at being the new record holders and champions in cycling," she wrote.

"I have felt deeply angered, disappointed, overlooked, and humiliated that the rule makers of women's sports do not feel it is necessary to protect women's sports to ensure fair competition for women anymore," she wrote in the filing.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 12:07 PM
I think the trans women in sports issue is complex and sensitive. I'm not sure what I think should be the solution, but I know it should be discussed in a careful and nuanced way, and I have seen none of that here. Especially Hawk's comments are insensitive and short-sighted. It doesn't sit well with me that nobody is calling it out and Synthgirl is the only one apologising here
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 24, 2023, 12:24 PM
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 12:07 PMI think the trans women in sports issue is complex and sensitive. I'm not sure what I think should be the solution, but I know it should be discussed in a careful and nuanced way, and I have seen none of that here. Especially Hawk's comments are insensitive and short-sighted. It doesn't sit well with me that nobody is calling it out and Synthgirl is the only one apologising here

Very well said and I totally agree. This does not make for a friendly, welcoming community. 
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 24, 2023, 02:14 PM
the issue is a no win

you say yes and you're against fair play for women

you say no and you're transphobic

i quess i care more about the integrity of women's sports than i do about this particular right

the uncomfortable truth is you basically have to decide if trans women are women or trans

measuring hormones or whatever doesn't cut it with sports so it forces your hand

it's an unfair litmus test if you want to support trans women and still keep within the parameters of credulity
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2023, 02:20 PM
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 12:07 PMI think the trans women in sports issue is complex and sensitive. I'm not sure what I think should be the solution, but I know it should be discussed in a careful and nuanced way, and I have seen none of that here. Especially Hawk's comments are insensitive and short-sighted. It doesn't sit well with me that nobody is calling it out and Synthgirl is the only one apologising here

Well I sent her a DM to ask if I should delete the post. I can't really 'call out' something I didn't see the full posts before they were edited/removed.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 02:53 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 24, 2023, 02:14 PMthe issue is a no win

you say yes and you're against fair play for women

you say no and you're transphobic

i quess i care more about the integrity of women's sports than i do about this particular right

the uncomfortable truth is you basically have to decide if trans women are women or trans

measuring hormones or whatever doesn't cut it with sports so it forces your hand

it's an unfair litmus test if you want to support trans women and still keep within the parameters of credulity
my point is that precisely because it's uncomfortable and it's not trivial to arrive at a satisfactory solution we should treat the problem carefully. My problem is not with whether your answer to the dilemma is a yes or no, but whether the answer is argued with the proper care and respect
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 24, 2023, 03:18 PM
For the record, my deleted post only talked about the safety of trans women in prison, I did not weigh in on the sports issue. I did not feel uncomfortable or disrespected by Toy Revolver posting his views on penis-having trans women in prison. I disagreed with them and then I deleted the post as I ultimately felt like I did not wish to have a debate. Thank you for your understanding and attention to sensitivity and respect.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 24, 2023, 03:28 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 24, 2023, 03:18 PMFor the record, my deleted post only talked about the safety of trans women in prison, I did not weigh in on the sports issue. I did not feel uncomfortable or disrespected by Toy Revolver posting his views on penis-having trans women in prison. I disagreed with them and then I deleted the post as I ultimately felt like I did not wish to have a debate. Thank you for your understanding and attention to sensitivity and respect.

it's ok not to dis me despite popular opinion 💕
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 04:36 PM
Don't be childish. I'm not trying to diss you or trying to pick an argument. I'm just explaining, speaking for myself only, why I have an issue with your post, and being petty about it is not an appropriate reaction
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 24, 2023, 04:45 PM
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 24, 2023, 04:36 PMDon't be childish. I'm not trying to diss you or trying to pick an argument. I'm just explaining, speaking for myself only, why I have an issue with your post, and being petty about it is not an appropriate reaction

yes ma'am
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 24, 2023, 04:47 PM
God damn it. I wrote a long-ish post responding to you, Marie, but for some reason it's vanished, like an old oak table. Sorry, that's varnished. Well, it's gone anyway.

Basically, I wanted to apologise if anything I said upset anyone, which I hope it did not.
I also wanted to point out that I think it's wrong for the female athlete to have used the word "man" to describe a trans athlete. Wrong and quite possibly part of an agenda to skew opinion onto her side. And completely disingenuous. Trans do not want to be referred to as men, they've made huge efforts to leave that behind, and it's really borderline hateful to insist on calling them by the term they've struggled to ditch.
I wish I had my original post, but that's the gist I guess.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 04:05 AM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 24, 2023, 04:47 PMGod damn it. I wrote a long-ish post responding to you, Marie, but for some reason it's vanished, like an old oak table. Sorry, that's varnished. Well, it's gone anyway.

Basically, I wanted to apologise if anything I said upset anyone, which I hope it did not.
I also wanted to point out that I think it's wrong for the female athlete to have used the word "man" to describe a trans athlete. Wrong and quite possibly part of an agenda to skew opinion onto her side. And completely disingenuous. Trans do not want to be referred to as men, they've made huge efforts to leave that behind, and it's really borderline hateful to insist on calling them by the term they've struggled to ditch.
I wish I had my original post, but that's the gist I guess.
i really don't care about the sports thing that much. Call me crazy but we're talking about a field where to be the greatest you have to be on fuckin steroids that make you want to murder your family like chris benoit.

I think the prison thing is questionable but i also think it's definitely true that trans women will be much more at risk in men's prison. I could see a separate wing or something in the woman's prison. I don't really know.

And the bathrooms thing is a completely contrived culture war.  Who is checking ids? Either you pass the looks based test to enter the woman's room or you don't.  It's women at the end of the day who police that shit.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AM
the dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone

QuoteAnd the bathrooms thing is a completely contrived culture war.  Who is checking ids? Either you pass the looks based test to enter the woman's room or you don't.  It's women at the end of the day who police that shit.

except at school, which is stupidly compulsory - but forcing children to do things they don't want to is totally cool since oprah hasn't told everyone it isn't yet
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PM
Inside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)

that's wild
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 04:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)

that's wild

Indeed.

It's got all the makings of a hit TV mini-series.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 04:17 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 04:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)

that's wild

Indeed.

It's got all the makings of a hit TV mini-series.

i'm sure netflix and hulu are on it like ants on candy
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 04:31 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/24/world/fungus-pandemic-frogs-amphibians-scn

frog fungus

this is so disturbing to me makes my skin crawl - nature can be so hideous
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 25, 2023, 06:40 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 02:10 PMInside the wild federal trial of the Fugees' Pras that begins Monday (https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/inside-the-federal-trial-of-fugees-pras-starting-march-27/)

I find it hilarious that the fund this guy stole four bill from is almost IMDB!  :laughing:
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 08:31 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone

QuoteAnd the bathrooms thing is a completely contrived culture war.  Who is checking ids? Either you pass the looks based test to enter the woman's room or you don't.  It's women at the end of the day who police that shit.

except at school, which is stupidly compulsory - but forcing children to do things they don't want to is totally cool since oprah hasn't told everyone it isn't yet
i would never deny being misogynistic so that's a pretty lame attempt at a gotcha.   

honestly your side acts like the T's are poised to completely take over women's sports when the reality is its just a handful of athletes and they can't compete in the mens league either.  The choice at the moment is either the women's league lets them in and they have a handful of trans athletes in their leagues or else trans women don't get to play sports. That's just the reality. 

As for the school comment..i don't even get what point you are trying to drive at or how it relates to the portion of my post you quoted.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 08:42 PM
1) i'm not trying get a gotcha
2) school is the primary place where people are forced to be in a location all day and have to go to use toilets that provide insufficient privacy

the complaint about the compulsory component was at least 90% a non-sequitur or just a random semi-related thought

quit acting like pre-post-modernist

it's 2023

QuoteThe choice at the moment is either the women's league lets them in and they have a handful of trans athletes in their leagues or else trans women don't get to play sports.

lol thanks for the breakdown
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 08:48 PM
So it was 100% unrelated and you could have just as easily posted it without quoting me.  I don't like it when people pretend to respond to me.  Either do or don't.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 08:50 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 08:42 PMlol thanks for the breakdown
So why do you think trans women shouldn't be able to play sports?
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 08:55 PM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 08:48 PMSo it was 100% unrelated and you could have just as easily posted it without quoting me.  I don't like it when people pretend to respond to me.  Either do or don't.

did yall see that tornado in mississippi
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 08:59 PM
No you post shit that looks superficially like an argument.  But it's not.  It's a deflection. 
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone

Do you watch women's sports?

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 09:07 PM
Only the high school leagues.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone


Do you watch women's sports?



yes - college basketball and soccer mostly

i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year

i also like gymnastics

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:49 PM
I don't watch women's sport for the same reason I don't watch youth sport or non league. It is not the top level.

Except at youth level in the men's you will at least see the most talented kids who might be the future of the sport.

You don't get that in women's.

I don't think it's misogyny. Just reality. If you're happy watching lower level that's fine but I'm not.

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone


Do you watch women's sports?


yes - college basketball and soccer mostly

i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year

i also like gymnastics


how many lay ups have you counted so far?

I really don't watch sports in general anymore except for occasionally the NFL. I'm a Giants fan so even that is a kinda depressing experience
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 25, 2023, 10:02 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:49 PMI don't watch women's sport for the same reason I don't watch youth sport or non league. It is not the top level.

Except at youth level in the men's you will at least see the most talented kids who might be the future of the sport.

You don't get that in women's.

I don't think it's misogyny. Just reality. If you're happy watching lower level that's fine but I'm not.



Have to say I'm the same. Tried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else) but the roar of the crowd wasn't there, didn't know any of the players and basically it meant nothing to me. I mean, fair play to them and I know they do well, and it's quite popular, but give me the men's football every time. I'll watch ice skating or tennis, that's about it for women's sports, or women in sports.

But jwb makes a good point about trans athletes: it's a case of falling between two stools isn't it, neither of which wants them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Very tough.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 25, 2023, 10:21 PM


:pimp:
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 25, 2023, 10:39 PM
Lingerie football is a thing? Why am I only learning about this now???

Also, is this the only sport in which a streaker is fully clothed when they invade the pitch?  :laughing:  :laughing:  :laughing:  :laughing:
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PM
QuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)

lol anything has to be better than irish soccer

3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it

how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country

that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 10:49 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PM
QuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)

lol anything has to be better than irish soccer

3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it

how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country

that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed



Add Celtic to that. And this absolutely takes the piss, by the way.

For a country who never stops going on about how much they hate the British they do love supporting our teams and walking about in our football shirts.

This is not directed toward you Trolls.

Unless you consider yourself anti British, then it is.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Dr_Rez on Mar 25, 2023, 10:53 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 08:42 PMto use toilets that provide insufficient privacy


If you are referring to the gaps between stall doors and under the door...yea what the fuck is that.  My whole life wondered why on earth that became the norm in America.  Who wants people to see in while youre shitting.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 11:47 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 25, 2023, 10:02 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:49 PMI don't watch women's sport for the same reason I don't watch youth sport or non league. It is not the top level.

Except at youth level in the men's you will at least see the most talented kids who might be the future of the sport.

You don't get that in women's.

I don't think it's misogyny. Just reality. If you're happy watching lower level that's fine but I'm not.



Have to say I'm the same. Tried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else) but the roar of the crowd wasn't there, didn't know any of the players and basically it meant nothing to me. I mean, fair play to them and I know they do well, and it's quite popular, but give me the men's football every time. I'll watch ice skating or tennis, that's about it for women's sports, or women in sports.

But jwb makes a good point about trans athletes: it's a case of falling between two stools isn't it, neither of which wants them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Very tough.
no thank you.  Instead we'll keep calling it football and referring to teams that win the superbowl as the "world champions" lol.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 26, 2023, 03:36 AM
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Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PM
QuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)

lol anything has to be better than irish soccer

3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it

how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country

that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed



Absolutely agree. Irish team should disband and fuck off. Biggest cheer we get is when we qualify for a World Cup or European Championship, and then everyone expects us to suck. And we do not disappoint.

Not to mention that most of our better players - all right, all of our better - damn it, ok! All of our players who are anyway decent at all -  play in the English leagues anyway, so how Irish are we? We do excel at falling apart when it counts most that we don't. I used to have in my sig on MB "as Irish as losing a three-nil lead in a must-win fixture." Not that, as far as I know, we were ever three goals ahead.

Our biggest and most memorable - and kind of only real - victory was beating world champions Italy 1-0 at Giants Stadium. We'll always have that.

Which is just as well, as we'll never see those days again!  :laughing:
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 26, 2023, 04:30 AM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 26, 2023, 03:36 AMGuest
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 10:42 PM
QuoteTried to watch WSL (Women's Super League - football no not soccer fuck off we had it first you call yours something else)

lol anything has to be better than irish soccer

3 world cup appearances from a country that cares about it

how's it possible for any country to be that unathletic - and you all support arsenal or manchester united and it's not even your country

that's like me watching canadian football- i'd be ashamed



Absolutely agree. Irish team should disband and fuck off. Biggest cheer we get is when we qualify for a World Cup or European Championship, and then everyone expects us to suck. And we do not disappoint.

Not to mention that most of our better players - all right, all of our better - damn it, ok! All of our players who are anyway decent at all -  play in the English leagues anyway, so how Irish are we? We do excel at falling apart when it counts most that we don't. I used to have in my sig on MB "as Irish as losing a three-nil lead in a must-win fixture." Not that, as far as I know, we were ever three goals ahead.

Our biggest and most memorable - and kind of only real - victory was beating world champions Italy 1-0 at Giants Stadium. We'll always have that.

Which is just as well, as we'll never see those days again!  :laughing:

i remember that world cup but not that game

it was huge in america and i remember when usa played brazil brazil was down a man so i thought we might win but brazil still won

wikipedia says it ended brazil beating italy in a shootout but i don't remember that

i just remember everyone had a soccer fever and that one game

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 26, 2023, 06:23 AM
I'm sure it was yet another riveting 1-0 match.  Soccer is so boring that it's the only sport where they play right through the fuckin commercial breaks.  That's why they have to shout goal for 45 seconds straight every time someone scores.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: SGR on Mar 26, 2023, 08:04 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone


Do you watch women's sports?


yes - college basketball and soccer mostly

i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year

i also like gymnastics


how many lay ups have you counted so far?

I really don't watch sports in general anymore except for occasionally the NFL. I'm a Giants fan so even that is a kinda depressing experience

A Giants fan?! Well thanks bro for Kadarius Toney. That dude was a difference maker in the Super Bowl.

Also, how do you feel about the Danny Dimes contract?  :laughing:

Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 11:47 PMno thank you.  Instead we'll keep calling it football and referring to teams that win the superbowl as the "world champions" lol.

Yup, world champs because we're waiting for the rest of the world to put together team(s) that can compete - but there's never any takers. And yeah, soccer is a snorefest. Give me true blue American Football over that nyquil-like sport any day.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 27, 2023, 04:55 PM
You people suck.  :puke:
Football rules. Hand Egg sucks.

Right to the last fucking kick, lads. Right to the last fucking kick.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jadis on Mar 27, 2023, 05:07 PM
Americans not getting soccerball is fine afaic. Those who are passionate about it (and talk about "the numbers" or stuff like how Messi is coming to Miami because they promised him 30% of the club's stock if he's signign with them and their stock price rose by a lot in the past few years etc) are far, far more annoying
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 27, 2023, 09:02 PM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 26, 2023, 08:04 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 09:58 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 09:23 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2023, 09:05 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 25, 2023, 06:59 AMthe dismissiveness of women's sports on here is misogynistic af but i guess that's cool with everyone


Do you watch women's sports?


yes - college basketball and soccer mostly

i've been following the women's ncaa tournament more closely than the men's this year

i also like gymnastics


how many lay ups have you counted so far?

I really don't watch sports in general anymore except for occasionally the NFL. I'm a Giants fan so even that is a kinda depressing experience

A Giants fan?! Well thanks bro for Kadarius Toney. That dude was a difference maker in the Super Bowl.

Also, how do you feel about the Danny Dimes contract?  :laughing:

Quote from: Jwb on Mar 25, 2023, 11:47 PMno thank you.  Instead we'll keep calling it football and referring to teams that win the superbowl as the "world champions" lol.

Yup, world champs because we're waiting for the rest of the world to put together team(s) that can compete - but there's never any takers. And yeah, soccer is a snorefest. Give me true blue American Football over that nyquil-like sport any day.
sigh.... i guess we will probably find out next season whether it was just a fluke.  I never thought i would actually miss the runt of the Manning family.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Mar 27, 2023, 09:07 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 27, 2023, 04:55 PMYou people suck.  :puke:
Football rules. Hand Egg sucks.

Right to the last fucking kick, lads. Right to the last fucking kick.
haha video not available

Apparently my country doesn't even want me watching a single clip of your shitty third world sport. I rarely side with the censors but this one was probably a good call.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 27, 2023, 09:29 PM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 27, 2023, 09:07 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 27, 2023, 04:55 PMYou people suck.  :puke:
Football rules. Hand Egg sucks.

Right to the last fucking kick, lads. Right to the last fucking kick.
haha video not available


 :laughing:
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 28, 2023, 05:07 AM
Haha video must have been blocked by Man United!
(It was Aguerro scoring the winning goal that won Man City the Premiership title in 2012, thus denying, in mere seconds, it to their hated rivals, Man United, who were all but popping champagne corks at the time)
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 31, 2023, 03:52 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/RFbrcgGB/D14-BB679-690-A-4-E87-8035-BB380-E360110.jpg)

just posting this nytimes screenshot to point out how popular women's sports are in america- i consider it a good quality about our culture-
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Apr 02, 2023, 08:07 AM
zzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: SGR on Apr 02, 2023, 08:21 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Apr 02, 2023, 08:07 AMzzzzzzzz

Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Guybrush on Apr 02, 2023, 11:56 PM
Some of our most popular / well known athletes are women, like Marit Bjørgen and Therese Johaug. This is long distance skiing by the way. Women's handball was a lot more popular than men's as well. Our most famous boxer is a woman, Cecilie Brækhus.

I assume man dominated sports or men's leagues are still more popular (the only sport I ever slightly cared about is chess, so I don't know much), but it's not one-sided here at least. Put on the spot, I could name more female athletes.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Apr 03, 2023, 06:26 AM
Quote from: SGR on Apr 02, 2023, 08:21 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Apr 02, 2023, 08:07 AMzzzzzzzz

lol. Great clip.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Jwb on Apr 03, 2023, 06:28 AM
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 02, 2023, 11:56 PMSome of our most popular / well known athletes are women, like Marit Bjørgen and Therese Johaug. This is long distance skiing by the way. Women's handball was a lot more popular than men's as well. Our most famous boxer is a woman, Cecilie Brækhus.

I assume man dominated sports or men's leagues are still more popular (the only sport I ever slightly cared about is chess, so I don't know much), but it's not one-sided here at least. Put on the spot, I could name more female athletes.
lol... long distance skiing and handball huh? I stand corrected then. :p
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Guybrush on Apr 03, 2023, 06:45 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Apr 03, 2023, 06:28 AM
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 02, 2023, 11:56 PMSome of our most popular / well known athletes are women, like Marit Bjørgen and Therese Johaug. This is long distance skiing by the way. Women's handball was a lot more popular than men's as well. Our most famous boxer is a woman, Cecilie Brækhus.

I assume man dominated sports or men's leagues are still more popular (the only sport I ever slightly cared about is chess, so I don't know much), but it's not one-sided here at least. Put on the spot, I could name more female athletes.
lol... long distance skiing and handball huh? I stand corrected then. :p

It's all a big yawn to me, but at least I think handball has a lot more scores than soccer.

Why soccer? American football is probably more fun, but then your athletes do get swiss cheese brains from all the concussions.
Title: Re: Trans women in sports
Post by: Psy-Fi on Apr 03, 2023, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 03, 2023, 06:45 AMAmerican football is probably more fun, but then your athletes do get swiss cheese brains from all the concussions.

It seems like half of them are already that way even before they start playing football.