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2024 US Presidential Election

Started by SGR, Feb 25, 2024, 02:31 AM

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#60 Mar 03, 2024, 01:28 AM
Of course, while I agree with the idea of many politicians being way too old, it's nothing new. From my Sherlock Holmes novella...

 "I have, as you know, Watson, the greatest respect for the law," he said, lighting his pipe and shaking his head. "But this idea of men who are so far past working age that they should be in a bathchair watching the sunset ,rather than trying to deciper the case of another unfortunate who happens to fall to their tender mercies, is something that has long been at the root, I believe, of many a wrong verdict, miscarriage of justice, and, sad to say, innocent man hanged." He looked up sharply. "The whole system of justice needs a complete overhaul, but with the stranglehold the aristrocracy and nobility has on appointments, this seems to me something which will not happen in my lifetime, nor in yours."

I arched an eyebrow. I had never taken my friend to be a revolutionary or an activist, though I could not fault his reasoning. Too many old men who should have retired ten years ago were still practicing on the bench, many often having to be nudged awake during a case. It really was a shocking state of affairs, but had been the norm for so long now that I feared Holmes was right when he prophesied gloomily that it would take longer to change than either of us had time on this earth.

I fully agree that the Democrats are dicing with electoral defeat. Why in the name of the Great Pixie can't they see that they MUST look beyond Bedtime Biden for a serious challenger to el Trumpo? Have they learned nothing from 2016? You can hear the nasty sarcastic laughter ringing through the halls of Mar-a-Lago if you listen hard enough.

#61 Mar 03, 2024, 03:47 AM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 03, 2024, 01:28 AMOf course, while I agree with the idea of many politicians being way too old, it's nothing new. From my Sherlock Holmes novella...

 "I have, as you know, Watson, the greatest respect for the law," he said, lighting his pipe and shaking his head. "But this idea of men who are so far past working age that they should be in a bathchair watching the sunset ,rather than trying to deciper the case of another unfortunate who happens to fall to their tender mercies, is something that has long been at the root, I believe, of many a wrong verdict, miscarriage of justice, and, sad to say, innocent man hanged." He looked up sharply. "The whole system of justice needs a complete overhaul, but with the stranglehold the aristrocracy and nobility has on appointments, this seems to me something which will not happen in my lifetime, nor in yours."

I arched an eyebrow. I had never taken my friend to be a revolutionary or an activist, though I could not fault his reasoning. Too many old men who should have retired ten years ago were still practicing on the bench, many often having to be nudged awake during a case. It really was a shocking state of affairs, but had been the norm for so long now that I feared Holmes was right when he prophesied gloomily that it would take longer to change than either of us had time on this earth.

I fully agree that the Democrats are dicing with electoral defeat. Why in the name of the Great Pixie can't they see that they MUST look beyond Bedtime Biden for a serious challenger to el Trumpo? Have they learned nothing from 2016? You can hear the nasty sarcastic laughter ringing through the halls of Mar-a-Lago if you listen hard enough.

The challenging part is - he's the incumbent (who will naturally enjoy an incumbent advantage) - if they had a clear succesion plan, they would've been fine with real primaries after Biden announced that he'd not be seeking a second term - but since he's apparently running for real, they'd need to switch him at or near the convention - and even doing that, regardless of the candidate, will look suspect. But assume they do it, who would or should they replace him with, if we assume Michelle Obama isn't interested?

#62 Mar 03, 2024, 05:10 PM
Just replace him with someone under 60 who has a relatively clean history. Is it really that difficult? I don't know many Democrats by name but there must be someone boring, inoffensive and low risk to pick.

In a roundabout way it seems like the fact so many Democrat voters are 'Anyone But Trump' is going to hurt the party and ironically get Trump elected again. The party seems fine with going with Biden because it worked last time as so many people voted against Trump.

I just had a look at the senators on Wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Padilla

Alex Padilla 4 Prez.

Not fat, not bald. Not old. Can play the ethnic minority card. Described as moderate. Seems to support the things Democrats care about.

Biden out, Padilla in 8)

Only God knows.
#63 Mar 03, 2024, 05:34 PM
What about AOC? I mean, what do the Dems do when they realise Walmart no longer make the batteries that power Biden? They can't seriously be sitting there saying "That'll do, pig. That'll do." Republicans must be pissing themselves laughing. Maybe a clone of Obama?

#64 Mar 03, 2024, 06:13 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 03, 2024, 05:34 PMWhat about AOC? I mean, what do the Dems do when they realise Walmart no longer make the batteries that power Biden? They can't seriously be sitting there saying "That'll do, pig. That'll do." Republicans must be pissing themselves laughing. Maybe a clone of Obama?

AOC would have a hard time winning over moderate(corporate) democrats. She's a bit left of them known as progressive and the establishment democrats won't get behind a progressive democrat.

I was this cool the whole time.
#65 Mar 03, 2024, 06:55 PM
I'd get behind her.  :love:  :love:
Seriously though: is the democrat party so dead that they can't even wheel out one decent candidate?


#66 Mar 03, 2024, 10:46 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 03, 2024, 06:55 PMI'd get behind her.  :love:  :love:
Seriously though: is the democrat party so dead that they can't even wheel out one decent candidate?

I disagree with AOC on multiple different things politically, but regardless, DJ is right - she's a bit too far left for most American moderates. Republicans would paint her as a socialist/communist. AOC is still young and figuring out exactly how the game (politics) is played. I've said before that I think she will become President some day, and I stand by that (also probably the first woman president), but before that happens, I think AOC will soften her views, improve her communication/messaging, and run a campaign that corporate Democrats can support (in many ways, similar to Obama's first run). But just having her as the face of the Democratic party would give it some much needed life. If she was more of a center-left Dem, she'd wipe the floor with Trump. Her time will come.



#67 Mar 03, 2024, 10:52 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 03, 2024, 05:10 PMJust replace him with someone under 60 who has a relatively clean history. Is it really that difficult? I don't know many Democrats by name but there must be someone boring, inoffensive and low risk to pick.

In a roundabout way it seems like the fact so many Democrat voters are 'Anyone But Trump' is going to hurt the party and ironically get Trump elected again. The party seems fine with going with Biden because it worked last time as so many people voted against Trump.

I just had a look at the senators on Wiki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Padilla

Alex Padilla 4 Prez.

Not fat, not bald. Not old. Can play the ethnic minority card. Described as moderate. Seems to support the things Democrats care about.

Biden out, Padilla in 8)

I like the thought, but generally, picking some random senator who doesn't appear to have a lot of baggage isn't usually a winning strategy for president. A lot of different things come into play, but to become president, you generally need to be charismatic and a good speaker as well (and usually, you need some kind of connections). I don't think the Democrats would beat Trump just because their candidate is younger (though that certainly would help, considering they're now in a position where they can't really criticize Trump's age without drawing attention to Biden) - the candidate would need to inspire people to go out and vote. Love or hate Trump, there's no denying that Trump supporters would walk through glass to vote for him in 2024. Biden supporters? Ehhhh.......

#68 Mar 03, 2024, 10:55 PM
Is Biden charismatic or a good speaker? Is Padilla any worse?

"Vote Padilla and he'll buy you a beer."

"Never fear, Padilla is here!"

Slogans sorted.

Only God knows.
#69 Mar 03, 2024, 11:03 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 03, 2024, 10:55 PMIs Biden charismatic or a good speaker? Is Padilla any worse?

"Vote Padilla and he'll buy you a beer."

"Never fear, Padilla is here!"

Slogans sorted.

He can be charismatic, but he's no longer a good speaker - he used to be a decent speaker.

Unfortunately, I think it's likely that Biden was selected because the people really pulling the strings have the goods on him - in other words, he's in their pocket and controllable. Bernie, as an example, I doubt he has any baggage like that, therefore, he wouldn't be controllable.

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#72 Mar 05, 2024, 03:41 PM
Happy Super Tuesday everyone!

Here's one less mystery for us to think about, I suppose:

Michelle Obama's office says the former first lady 'will not be running for president' in 2024

Wildcard picks to replace Biden, that would really get the popcorn buttered:

-Mark Cuban
-Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson

#73 Mar 06, 2024, 04:57 AM Last Edit: Mar 06, 2024, 05:04 AM by SGR
#74 Mar 06, 2024, 12:48 PM
And now it's official - Nikki Haley is out, which I believe leaves Trump defacto unopposed for the Republican nomination.

Nikki Haley to Exit Republican Presidential Race - Wall Street Journal

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