2024 US Presidential Election

[Trollheart]

The new, shock Dem presidential nominee!

Hey, at least he'll get the Green vote!
Sorry...

[degrassi.knoll]

I'm thinking Mayor Pete

[SGR]

Biden more like ByeByeByeden

I guess you could say he was Biden his time.

[DJChameleon]

I also think he decided to wait til later on in the week because he's still ill from covid. That's why he didn't do a live announcement.

[SGR]

I also think he decided to wait til later on in the week because he's still ill from covid. That's why he didn't do a live announcement.

What are the chances he actually resigns the presidency this week? Kamala doesn't really get to enjoy the benefits of an incumbent advantage (at least based on Allan Lichtman's 'keys') if she never executed the office of president. If Biden resigned, she'd become president, would then run basically unopposed at the convention (she probably already will, most likely, barring Joe Manchin's plans), and Americans would also get a chance to preview her leadership style more closely before they cast their votes.

The only drawback is that resigning the presidency would probably be a bigger blow to Joe's ego than simply withdrawing from the race, but in some ways, it would make things simpler for Kamala and might provide a boost in the race against Trump. On the other hand, it might be a lot for Kamala all at once - becoming president, and also running a presidential race.

[DJChameleon]

What are the chances he actually resigns the presidency this week? Kamala doesn't really get to enjoy the benefits of an incumbent advantage (at least based on Allan Lichtman's 'keys') if she never executed the office of president. If Biden resigned, she'd become president, would then run basically unopposed at the convention (she probably already will, most likely, barring Joe Manchin's plans), and Americans would also get a chance to preview her leadership style more closely before they cast their votes.

The only drawback is that resigning the presidency would probably be a bigger blow to Joe's ego than simply withdrawing from the race, but in some ways, it would make things simpler for Kamala and might provide a boost in the race against Trump. On the other hand, it might be a lot for Kamala all at once - becoming president, and also running a presidential race.

He barely wanted to step down from his re-election campaign. I highly doubt he will resign to let Kamala get that advantage. Also within the letter he stated that he's going to continue the rest of his presidency and the work associated with it.  What I would like to see him do is go rogue and just start pushing through a whole bunch of executive orders that will benefit everyone while he's still president. I recently heard he's talking about a nationwide cap on rent increases which is what I fought for statewide and they ended up passing a weak ass version of the bill that our coalition wanted but it's something and will help out people.

Who do you think Kamala will take into for a VP? I know whoever it is, it will most likely be the straightest white male they can find from a political strategy point of view but my dream ticket would be Harris/Whitmore(?) I think that's how you spell Gretchen's last name but America is too sexist and not ready for an all woman ticket.

[degrassi.knoll]

I'm thinking Mayor Pete

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[SGR]

He barely wanted to step down from his re-election campaign. I highly doubt he will resign to let Kamala get that advantage. Also within the letter he stated that he's going to continue the rest of his presidency and the work associated with it. 

Sure, he did say that in the letter - he also said the previous day that he was 100% staying in the race and would be out on the campaign trail the following week. So I'm taking it all with a grain of salt. 

What I would like to see him do is go rogue and just start pushing through a whole bunch of executive orders that will benefit everyone while he's still president. I recently heard he's talking about a nationwide cap on rent increases which is what I fought for statewide and they ended up passing a weak ass version of the bill that our coalition wanted but it's something and will help out people.

This is true. Now that he's a lame duck, he doesn't need to worry about reelection which gives him a lot more leverage in certain political areas, like issuing executive orders. We'll see what, if anything, he does with it. The downside of course is that it gives him less leverage in foreign policy, as foreign states might be inclined to just wait him out to see if they can get a better deal with the next president.

Who do you think Kamala will take into for a VP? I know whoever it is, it will most likely be the straightest white male they can find from a political strategy point of view but my dream ticket would be Harris/Whitmore(?) I think that's how you spell Gretchen's last name but America is too sexist and not ready for an all woman ticket.

I'd tend to agree with you, it's gonna be a white dude. I'm confident it won't be Gretchen or Gavin (too much star power there to be Kamala's VP, and both probably want to run in 2028), and it won't be Mayor Pete (his biggest elected position was mayor, besides his cabinet position - so running with another federal bureaucrat would not complement Kamala well), so I'd say Josh Shapiro seems like the conventional pick, as the Governor of PA (a swing state that Democrats really want to win) - but I've got a sneaking suspicion it might end up being Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona (another swing state Dems would love to win). He doesn't outshine Kamala's political clout and experience, but his background as a Naval officer and astronaut might be a perfect counterbalance against J.D. Vance - not to mention that he does have slightly more political experience than J.D. and is a fair bit older than him - which would allow him to attack J.D. on his youth and inexperience, while not only being a veteran himself, but a former astronaut. He also might help mitigate the fears of moderates, since he's mostly a standard Democrat that doesn't wade into the territory of progressives very much (e.g. he opposes "Medicare for All" and he opposes the "Green New Deal"). He's got the 'look' too. A former prosecutor running with this guy? I could see it:

[DJChameleon]

Josh Shapiro and Mark Kelly are the names I'm hearing tossed around as well.

Andy Beshear from Kentucky might be a good choice. Democrat from a red state that is big pro labor/union guy.

[SGR]

Josh Shapiro and Mark Kelly are the names I'm hearing tossed around as well.

Andy Beshear from Kentucky might be a good choice. Democrat from a red state that is big pro labor/union guy.

Problem with that one is that Harris-Beshear sounds like a syndrome you really don't want to have. 

[degrassi.knoll]

Having a black woman POTUS and an openly gay vet as VP is exactly the kind of plan that's crazy enough it might just work. Disagree so hard with your takes.

Just saying it here so you all remember when I turn out to be right.

Re: going "rogue" isn't that the same thing every president ever has done when their term comes to an end? Pushing through EOs is expected, idk how revolutionary you can consider it lol.

[SGR]

So Biden hasn't been heard from (audio/video) since he isolated in Delaware with COVID. People started talking, asking about his health, proof of life, etc. So he 'calls in' to Kamala's speech today. Something seems fishy about this to me, maybe it's just Kamala's exaggerated reactions, but she says:

Joe, I know you're still on the rec... on the call... and we've been talking everyday...

On the 'rec...'...what? Was that almost a freudian slip? What was she about to say?

Biden also calls her 'kid' - I can't say I've ever heard him call her that. But it has to be the real Joe calling in right? Or maybe...

[SGR]

Having a black woman POTUS and an openly gay vet as VP is exactly the kind of plan that's crazy enough it might just work. Disagree so hard with your takes.

Just saying it here so you all remember when I turn out to be right.

I can think of worse tickets for the Dems, I just don't see it happening though. If you turn out to be right, feel free not to let me hear the end of it. 

[degrassi.knoll]

Nah I'm just convinced I'm more clever than I am and I'll believe my own bullshit until I'm proven wrong. I've been right before.

[degrassi.knoll]

But believe me I'll never turn down an opportunity to say atoadaso if atoadaso.