2024 US Presidential Election

[SGR]

It's time to bring back Bernie tbh

Now that would be bold.

Unfortunately, I think the time to try him on a ticket has long since passed. And I suspect he's too far left to win a general election. Although all the 'Heres How Bernie Can Still' win memes coming back would be hilarious.

The absolute funniest outcome would be if the Democrats decided to run Hillary at the top of the ticket again. It'll never happen, but man would it be funny. Surprisingly though (actually, it's not really that surprising), from what I've seen, a Hillary/Trump rematch would be much more competitive than a Biden/Trump rematch.

[DJChameleon]

Kamala won't beat Trump

Polls show that she can easily beat Trump.

[SGR]

Polls show that she can easily beat Trump.

Easily? What polls are you looking at?

[degrassi.knoll]

The same ones that say Biden will 

[degrassi.knoll]

If anyone new does slide onto the ticket you know it'll be greasy ass Gavin

[Paul Smeenus]

The good news is that Trump received absolutely no bump in the polls after the convention, the bad news is that Biden continues to trail Trump. Biden simply cannot beat Trump in the general election, if Biden doesn't drop out we're fucked. We need a new candidate.

[DJChameleon]

Easily? What polls are you looking at?

I can't find the exact poll but at the time I saw it she was 6 points ahead of Trump but all of the more recent polls only put her at 1 point ahead of Trump/Vance. The introduction of Vance closed the gap on most polls.

[Trollheart]

[SGR]

If anyone new does slide onto the ticket you know it'll be greasy ass Gavin

Even if the Democrats could do it (jump Kamala with Gavin at the top of the ticket), there's no way they would because the optics would be awful (a slick white guy jumping over a black woman who was next in line). Highly doubt Gavin would accept a VP slot at this point in the election cycle.

I'd say Josh Shapiro would probably be more likely. I don't think Gavin would even want to be on this ticket at this point, since it's just too risky (even if he was top of the ticket), if I was him, I'd much rather bide my time until 2028. Why handicap and endanger his political future on a ticket that would, in its inception, be rather unprecedented in modern times? Whoever the Democrats theoretically would add to a ticket with Kamala as POTUS would have to be someone the party thinks is somewhat expendable...and likely someone who wouldn't have a chance in a regular ticket. Someone like Hillary's VP nominee, Tim Kaine (or even a Mike Pence) - I guess that somewhat muddles my previous argument, but it would need to be someone who realistically wouldn't have serious ambitions to be president, which I think Gavin has.

Wanna know the other reason Gavin wouldn't want anything to do with the ticket? His ex-wife, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is currently engaged to Donald Trump Jr. - I guarantee she's got some dirt on him that perhaps even most Democrat movers-and-shakers don't know about. When he runs, he'd want the Trumps to be at least somewhat out of the picture (at least not running for office).

[SGR]

I can't find the exact poll but at the time I saw it she was 6 points ahead of Trump but all of the more recent polls only put her at 1 point ahead of Trump/Vance. The introduction of Vance closed the gap on most polls.

I'm guessing you're talking about polls that show Kamala at +1 nationally? Those don't have much bearing on who would actually win the election. It's the swing state polling that does, and as far as I know, Kamala lags behind Trump in similar numbers as Biden in swing state polling in hypothetical matchups against Trump. That's the important part is that it's 'hypothetical'. Nothing says that if she were to lead the ticket, those polls wouldn't change. She's been somewhat sidelined as VP (regardless of whether or not that's her fault). If they were to make the switch, and Kamala were to lead the ticket, and thus become better known nationally (since she'd be doing more rallies than Biden does), the numbers could change, though it's unclear if they'd change for the better or the worse over the long-term. She has liabilities that Biden doesn't (being uncharismatic, being a former prosecutor) but she also doesn't have liabilities that Biden does have (age, the ability to reliably complete sentences).

[degrassi.knoll]

Idk man, I bet they just keep forcing Biden onstage hoping he'll make it through the winter. Another Trump term is inevitable. We should be talking about inauguration time, the election's already over.

[SGR]

Idk man, I bet they just keep forcing Biden onstage hoping he'll make it through the winter. Another Trump term is inevitable. We should be talking about inauguration time, the election's already over.

It's certainly a possibility. This has been a completely wild week in American politics. I'm not sure what to think or believe anymore. I suppose it's possible Democrats think switching Biden out won't necessarily help them win the presidency (but could, in the best possible scenario), but it might help them with downballot races. There could be a sense of: "Well, if we need to have Trump for four more years, we need to retain control of the senate or regain control of the house, and we can't do that with Biden". Not sure that's their thinking, but it's possible. We've got about three months and change to go before the general election, and that's a long time in politics. Wonder what the October surprises will be?

[DJChameleon]

I'm guessing you're talking about polls that show Kamala at +1 nationally? Those don't have much bearing on who would actually win the election. It's the swing state polling that does, and as far as I know, Kamala lags behind Trump in similar numbers as Biden in swing state polling in hypothetical matchups against Trump. That's the important part is that it's 'hypothetical'. Nothing says that if she were to lead the ticket, those polls wouldn't change. She's been somewhat sidelined as VP (regardless of whether or not that's her fault). If they were to make the switch, and Kamala were to lead the ticket, and thus become better known nationally (since she'd be doing more rallies than Biden does), the numbers could change, though it's unclear if they'd change for the better or the worse over the long-term. She has liabilities that Biden doesn't (being uncharismatic, being a former prosecutor) but she also doesn't have liabilities that Biden does have (age, the ability to reliably complete sentences).

All polls are kind of hypotheticals evidenced by whatever polls showed that Hillary was beating Trump and he still won.

They can pivot to Kamala, she doesn't have to be charismatic her VP pick that can lift that load. Whoever they pick as her VP will have to be able to make up for her weaknesses.

They are super close to getting Biden to step down it's not going to be much longer imo. I thought they were just gonna drag Biden's old ass over the finish line similar to Weeknd at Bernies but I have a feeling he's gonna step down soon. Donors are drying up. They aren't willing to keep throwing money behind a Biden ticket and now Pelosi and others are worried that him staying in the race is gonna affect down ballot races too. They are focused on keeping the house and Senate.

[degrassi.knoll]

Kamala won't beat Trump

Polls show that she can easily beat Trump.

I'm guessing you're talking about polls that show Kamala at +1 nationally? Those don't have much bearing on who would actually win the election.

All polls are kind of hypotheticals

Lol

[jimmy jazz]

Our Lord and Saviour Joesus Christ has pulled out.