2024 US Presidential Election

[SGR]

Bro the libs calling this a false flag and making jokes about "why couldn't they have aimed better" are making me sick with rage.

Same really. Truly a mask-off moment. These are the same people who'd mock and criticize Alex Jones for similar conspiracy shit. The woman behind Trump who you see fall after the shot was apparently killed. Even if you don't like Trump, it's not really something to joke about. If the guy hadn't missed, our country would be tearing itself apart right now.

Correction: I don't think it was the woman behind Trump who was killed, it was a woman in the stands to the left of Trump (from the point of the viewer), based on what I'm learning about where the bullet came from - it came from Trump's right (from the point of the viewer), where I was thinking it came from in front of him initially.

[Drjohnrock]

Yup. I think the shooter just won Trump the election. This picture is going to be in history books. The only thing it's missing is an eagle soaring in the sky.

Being shot didn't help George Wallace in 1972.  It won't help Trump now. The picture of Trump doing a "thumbs up" with Hungary's dictator will cancel it out. As will the text of Project 2025.  And the child rapes Trump committed (some of which settlements were paid for on Trump's behalf) as outlined in the Epstein grand jury transcripts. And the senile "batteries and sharks" remarks. And much more.

[Trollheart]

No. No they won't. You're giving people too much credit. As SGR says, all people will remember come polling day will be Trump looking heroic and unbowed after thwarting an assassin sent by the Deep State. Trump could, literally, kill someone now and he would still be elected. It's over, man. It's all over. Stupid fuck, whoever they were.

And also, as mentioned, condolences to the woman who was colatteral damage and who, no doubt - and whether her family has any say in it or not - will become a Trump martyr.


Look, Reagan got a huge boost when Hinckley tried to take him down. Thatcher was floundering till the Falklands. Bush was dead till 9/11. People have short, very simple memories and everything else will be forgiven and forgotten or else compared to this. ANY criticism of Trump will now be met with "you're talking about a man who was almost killed for his beliefs".

[/election]
#FourMoreYearsGodDamnIt
#AmericasEnd

[Drjohnrock]

No. No they won't. You're giving people too much credit. As SGR says, all people will remember come polling day will be Trump looking heroic and unbowed after thwarting an assassin sent by the Deep State. Trump could, literally, kill someone now and he would still be elected. It's over, man. It's all over. Stupid fuck, whoever they were.

And also, as mentioned, condolences to the woman who was colatteral damage and who, no doubt - and whether her family has any say in it or not - will become a Trump martyr.


Look, Reagan got a huge boost when Hinckley tried to take him down. Thatcher was floundering till the Falklands. Bush was dead till 9/11. People have short, very simple memories and everything else will be forgiven and forgotten or else compared to this. ANY criticism of Trump will now be met with "you're talking about a man who was almost killed for his beliefs".

[/election]
#FourMoreYearsGodDamnIt
#AmericasEnd

We don't know at this time anything about the shooter, who might not have had any politcal motive. He might have been some John Hinckley-type nutter,  who shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Regardless, no one was saying around the time of the 1984 election "I must vote for Reagan because he was shot, poor man."  Gerald Ford was almost shot by one of Charles Manson's insane followers.  Carter still beat him. So that's way overrated. And while I agree in general that the Amercian public in general has the attention span of a gnat and reacts mostly to shiny objects, I see some signs that Biden and the Democrats are starting to get their act together and pound on Trump's many negatives, particularly Project 2025. In all previous US POTUS elections, none of the candidates (the major ones, at least) had a specific, written plan to destroy American democracy. You can tell the GOP is nervous by Trump lying (as usual) about it, saying he knows nothing about it, and immediately following that up by saying there are parts of it he disagrees with, and his underlings lying about him not going along with it. So a Trump victory isn't inevitable, contrary to what the "liberal" media wants you to think.

[SGR]

We don't know at this time anything about the shooter, who might not have had any politcal motive. He might have been some John Hinckley-type nutter,  who shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. Regardless, no one was saying around the time of the 1984 election "I must vote for Reagan because he was shot, poor man."  Gerald Ford was almost shot by one of Charles Manson's insane followers.  Carter still beat him. So that's way overrated. And while I agree in general that the Amercian public in general has the attention span of a gnat and reacts mostly to shiny objects, I see some signs that Biden and the Democrats are starting to get their act together and pound on Trump's many negatives, particularly Project 2025. In all previous US POTUS elections, none of the candidates (the major ones, at least) had a specific, written plan to destroy American democracy. You can tell the GOP is nervous by Trump lying (as usual) about it, saying he knows nothing about it, and immediately following that up by saying there are parts of it he disagrees with, and his underlings lying about him not going along with it. So a Trump victory isn't inevitable, contrary to what the "liberal" media wants you to think.

There are a few things you're overlooking I think, or in some sense looking at them in a vacuum. Neither of the two attempts on Ford's life resulted in his injury or the death of anyone. In one case, the gun failed to fire, in the other case, the shots completely missed Ford (and hit a taxi driver in the groin, he did survive though).

Regarding Reagan, I don't think you know for a fact what people were thinking regarding his assassination attempt. This article might make you think twice about what effect it had.

What changed after the Reagan shooting
By John P. Avlon, CNN Contributor

In the wake of the assassination attempt, Reagan's approval ratings jumped -- providing a new baseline that propelled his legislative agenda forward and helped translate to his broad-based re-election. By the 100th day of his administration, 51% of Democrats supported him and 70% of independents in addition to 92% of Republicans.

When Reagan came back to the Capitol on April 28 to push for his Economic Recovery Tax Act, he was greeted by a hero's welcome and a three-minute standing ovation. He leveraged his political capital to help pass his agenda. Before the end of the summer, the Reagan tax cuts had passed the House of Representatives, led by Democratic Speaker Tip O'Neill, and the Republican-controlled Senate, reducing top tax rates from a confiscatory 70% and unleashing an entrepreneurial era. "That guy," one House Democrat said of Reagan, "is damned formidable. Even the Democrats back home want him to succeed."

In 1984, Reagan won an historic 49 states and 59% of the popular vote.

When it comes to Trump, we'll have to see what effects it has on the polls, if any, in a week or so. I can guarantee though the donations to his campaign will spike.

Another thing you're overlooking is that in both Reagan, Ford, and Wallace's case, our access to information, the speed at which it travels, and the overall media landscape was much, much more primitive compared to today with the internet, which 95% of US adults have access to, and smartphones, which 90% of US adults have. By the time a couple hours had passed from this event, a large, large percentage of Americans probably read the news, and saw the photos/videos. The ones that haven't yet seen them will see them soon.

Speaking of photos/videos, for better or worse, electoral politics are now a very visual and optics driven field. Trump's 'threat to Democracy' and Project 2025 are 1) difficult to explain to your average voter 2) difficult for them to wrap their brains around and understand. You know some things that aren't difficult to explain to voters or for them to understand?



and



If you could explain all of Project 2025 to your average voter, which is nearly impossible given that it's a 920 page set of policy proposals, do you really expect people to believe that just because a conservative think-tank released their wishlist to 'Santa Trump', that Trump is planning to implement all of its proposals? You think, for example, the guy who banged a porn star while cheating on his wife is going to lead the charge to criminalize pornography, which would doom Republican chances of electoral success for the foreseeable future (Democrats would get a serious enrollment boost from typically non-participatory Americans registering as Democrats to decriminalize their porn)? Not to mention the myriad of other policy proposals that would doom their chances of electoral success?

The other rub for Democrats, is that they're arguing internally right now about whether or not to replace the guy who's currently leading their ticket, who probably would struggle communicating to voters even a brief summary of what Project 2025 even is (without a teleprompter at least), nevermind the possible ramifications of it in a way that would back Trump into a corner and put him on defense regarding the subject.

[Drjohnrock]

Maybe showing my age but I was around at the time of the 1984 election.  There was no talk of the assassination attempt, which didn't happen close to the 1984 election.

Of course Trump is planning to implement Project 2025.  His own blathering  about what he plans closely mirrors many of Project 2025's main goals, and the plan's main architect has ridiculed Trump's attempts to distance himself from it.  One hundred twenty people who have or are currently working with Trunp are involved with Project 2025. The plan is built around Trump, who is repeatedly mentioned in it.  And the main authoritarian goals can be easily summarized without Americans reading all of the plan.  Sorry to disappoint you, but Trump getting back into the White House isn't a foregone conclusion.

[DJChameleon]

This all seems so staged. Saw the video of the counter snipers flinching before shooting. 🙄

I need Make America Aim Again shirt.

[SGR]

This all seems so staged. Saw the video of the counter snipers flinching before shooting. 🙄

I need Make America Aim Again shirt.

Biden's remarks from a few days ago appear prescient in that regard - maybe his team will release one for you?:

"I have one job, and that's to beat Donald Trump. I'm absolutely certain I'm the best person to be able to do that. So, we're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye," Biden said.

[SGR]

Time for some levity, and sorry Euro brothers and sisters, but more than likely, only Americans will understand this one.

"Leaked photo of Trump's shooter"

[jimmy jazz]

Similar joke going round on UK Twitter. Different sport being used though.

Can't believe this has happened. I am glad the likes of Obama and Bernie Sanders have condemned it.

[SGR]

Similar joke going round on UK Twitter. Different sport being used though.

Can't believe this has happened. I am glad the likes of Obama and Bernie Sanders have condemned it.

Biden himself has also condemned it, to give credit where it is due - and apparently Biden even gave Trump a personal call. I truly hope this is the nadir of this election cycle, and both Biden and Trump remain healthy and safe for the rest of the election cycle. No matter how this election goes, I want the person who doesn't win to be able to walk off into the sunset and enjoy the rest of their life with their family and their children.

[Jwb]

I was mostly just giving you a hard time 

Personally, I'd like a President Rand Paul, so it would make sense I'd like him as VP, but he's not even in consideration as far as I know. I think most politicians are either corrupt or have a lot of baggage to unearth, but I think Rand Paul probably has less than others due to my (perhaps naive) view of him as a good and decent man.

[Jwb]

Biden himself has also condemned it, to give credit where it is due - and apparently Biden even gave Trump a personal call. I truly hope this is the nadir of this election cycle, and both Biden and Trump remain healthy and safe for the rest of the election cycle. No matter how this election goes, I want the person who doesn't win to be able to walk off into the sunset and enjoy the rest of their life with their family and their children.

i hope they both die before the election

But honestly i feel like Trump team staged the shooting. The way he immediately jumped up with the closed fist seemed a bit on the nose lol. Is hard to believe after being shot at, his first instinct is to play to the crowd. Well, second instinct tbf. His first instinct was to find his shoes.

[SGR]

Absolutely classic 2016 Trump moment. 

And for what it's worth, the guy who went after the 'size of Trump's manhood' (Marco Rubio) is currently third in betting odds for VP, so no love lost you could say over those debates. 

[SGR]

i hope they both die soon

Define "soon".