2024 Republican Primary

[Nimbly9]

OK so I just backtracked and saw jadis post.  So Vivek's claim is the Great Replacement Theory is democratic policy.  That's  different from just saying Democrats like immigration because they think the demographics favor them. The great replacement theory, as far asi know,  refers to an intentional "replacement" of white citizens with more subordinate third worlders or whatever. So that they can more easily control them or something like that.  Is that not what Great replacement theory refers to?

I brought it up a bit earlier, but the insinuation is that Democrats (as opposed to Republicans) want a low-income "unpatriotic" population who will vote for them because they cater to people who don't have much to their name, are generally poor and like large scale social programs that meet most of their monthly financial needs. 

To your comments before - there was originally a purely racial interpretation of that conspiracy, but it doesn't paint a completely accurate picture of the present meaning of a "Great Replacement" either - when you look at which demographics in the U.S. along racial lines make the most money and would be most wary of a sudden influx of lower income people into their local areas, it isn't even white people...it's Asians and Indians who came here legally and have built some generational wealth.  Vivek is speaking to that audience while tapping into old white Republican fears at the same time. 

He's effectively saying - "Democrats are favoring policies to bring more and more border crossing people that they'll legalize in order to outnumber you at the polls in your red states to flip your town/city/state, etc. Your taxes will go up and your Asian/Indian/White sons and daughters will be subsidizing illegal immigrants instead of building their own wealth."

[Jwb]

I brought it up a bit earlier, but the insinuation is that Democrats (as opposed to Republicans) want a low-income "unpatriotic" population who will vote for them because they cater to people who don't have much to their name, are generally poor and like large scale social programs that meet most of their monthly financial needs. 

To your comments before - there was originally a purely racial interpretation of that conspiracy, but it doesn't paint a completely accurate picture of the present meaning of a "Great Replacement" either - when you look at which demographics in the U.S. along racial lines make the most money and would be most wary of a sudden influx of lower income people into their local areas, it isn't even white people...it's Asians and Indians who came here legally and have built some generational wealth.  Vivek is speaking to that audience while tapping into old white Republican fears at the same time. 

He's effectively saying - "Democrats are favoring policies to bring more and more border crossing people that they'll legalize in order to outnumber you at the polls in your red states to flip your town/city/state, etc. Your taxes will go up and your Asian/Indian/White sons and daughters will be subsidizing illegal immigrants instead of building their own wealth."

OK first of all, he could have easily said that.  As you just did.  He said Great replacement. That's an intentional decision.  It's a nod to people who belive in that.  And you say it started out as a racial conspiracy theory but the modern version is somehow different.  Isn't it a fairly recent theory? Wasn't it just a few years ago that tucker Carlson was spelling this narrative out on fox news? Pretty sure when people hear great replacement, that's what they still think.

[Nimbly9]

OK first of all, he could have easily said that.  As you just did.  He said Great replacement. That's an intentional decision.  It's a nod to people who belive in that.  And you say it started out as a racial conspiracy theory but the modern version is somehow different.  Isn't it a fairly recent theory? Wasn't it just a few years ago that tucker Carlson was spelling this narrative out on fox news? Pretty sure when people hear great replacement, that's what they still think.

The racial take on it supposedly has roots in early 20th century French nationalism.

My conclusion is that Vivek's approach looks like a blueprint of what a younger and more ethnically diverse GOP is going to follow in coming decades.  Except instead of merely appealing to the fear of the Other that white people have, future Viveks will be appealing to the fears of middle class / upper crust multi-generational Cuban-Americans, the rich Asians and middle class + the wealthy Indians (specifically Brahman class) who call the U.S. home and who hate the poor just as much as a lot of white people do.

[jadis]

The racial take on it supposedly has roots in early 20th century French nationalism.

The racial take on a white supremacist meme from 2011 "has roots in early 20th century French nationalism."

[Nimbly9]

The racial take on a white supremacist meme from 2011 "has roots in early 20th century French nationalism."

*shrug*. It's where the ADL says it came from.

[Jwb]

I don't see how it's relevant if it is,  though.  The question is when did it pivot from racist conspiracy theory to something more redeemable in your eyes?

[Psy-Fi]

Donald Trump Releases 'Mugshot Edition' Digital Trading Cards—Offers Pieces Of Suit From Fulton County Arrest

[jadis]

The racial take on it supposedly has roots in early 20th century French nationalism.

Renaud Camus, one of France's most famous professional racists, coined the "Great Replacement" in 2011. What can a "racial take," implying the existence of a rival non-racial interpretation, even mean in this context?

[Shhon]

Donald Trump Releases 'Mugshot Edition' Digital Trading Cards—Offers Pieces Of Suit From Fulton County Arrest

his first set of NFTs doubled in price within a week. probably why hes doing round two.


NFTs are a scam though. It's like a sports card, only worth what someone will pay. At least with crypto you can sell anytime.

[SGR]

It's like a sports card, only worth what someone will pay.

I don't like NFTs, but you could say that about everything. The value of something is what someone is willing to pay for it.

[Psy-Fi]

At least with crypto you can sell anytime.

Do you remember Trump's 'Megacoin' crypto? Whatever happened with that? Did anyone actually buy any? 

[grindy]

Do you remember Trump's 'Megacoin' crypto? Whatever happened with that? Did anyone actually buy any?

Not magacoin?

[Nimbly9]

I don't see how it's relevant if it is,  though.  The question is when did it pivot from racist conspiracy theory to something more redeemable in your eyes?

It is relevant though.  The world is moving toward a place where white people are still a prominent demographic, but most likely not a majority in the U.S. and elsewhere over the next decade or so. Vivek says that he's speaking to a multi-ethnic younger GOP and and is looking toward that growing audience.  I already illustrated what that looks like in more depth earlier in another post.

The whole "replacement" thing isn't even something nefarious or orchestrated by evil elites though - only racists care about that. I just think its funny to see people who should know better call it a "conspiracy theory" when a five second Google search or a few clicks on YouTube will bring up tons of people who aren't white saying that they look at the way society is going and think whites are making up less and less of a voting bloc as time goes on. The Officer Tatum-esque channels, Hodgetwins, the Cartier Family, etc.

Going by that video that Vivek shared of Van Jones from 2021, I'd say Vivek knows most of this. There's tons of more examples out there too, but he used Van Jones's own words as an example of it being part of the Democratic platform's long bet.

I don't think referencing the Great Replacement Theory is a big winner with a diverse electorate in 2024 no matter how you slice it though.  You can be right about something like that as a general observation and it won't matter if the media decide to "interpret" your comments in the least charitable light for their own purposes, which is something that happens to Vivek a lot.   He'd be better off just sticking to an anti-neocon message.  He'd pick up more independents that way.

[DJChameleon]

It is relevant though.  The world is moving toward a place where white people are still a prominent demographic, but most likely not a majority in the U.S. and elsewhere over the next decade or so. Vivek says that he's speaking to a multi-ethnic younger GOP and and is looking toward that growing audience.  I already illustrated what that looks like in more depth earlier in another post.

Speaking to an audience that doesn't come out to vote. Sounds like a winning strategy. Bold move cotton.

[Nimbly9]

Speaking to an audience that doesn't come out to vote. Sounds like a winning strategy. Bold move cotton.

I wouldn't say that.  Florida went to DeSantis because of that demographic after all.  I just don't think enough of that growing coalition is going to swing 2024 at this point though.  Maybe 2028 or 2032.