for god's sake can we please primary biden, please

[jimmy jazz]

Looks like he forgot that he's 'Irish' for a bit 

Time for him to step down. He's unwell and is embarrassing himself and the USA.

[jadis]

Never understood how could anyone deny he was past his best mentally already during the 2020 dem primaries... If you want to defeat Trump, how about not to resorting to Trump-level denial of basic reality 

[Psy-Fi]

Old Joe is trippin' without his luggage.

[Lisnaholic]

POTUS is a really difficult job: mentally and physically draining , I imagine. I think Joe Biden has done a great job by not being Donald Trump, and for that he deserves the thanks of a grateful nation.
These recent clips and appearances don't look good at all, although conversely he seems to've done pretty well in closed-door negotiating and legislatively too. Anyone remember the debt ceiling stand-off he worked around? Drama times ten from everybody, except Sleepy Joe. And the Infrastructure Bill, touted so often by Trump and the GOP, but only passed when Biden was at the helm?

But, yeah, he's clearly way past his prime as these clips show, and the Dems should absolutely have an alternative lined up for the 2024 election. It's like no-one in the Dem party has realised that at his age, there's a whole bunch of health issues just waiting to decend on him: just getting to the end of his term will be an achievement, after which they should have a younger candidate for the election imo.

Someone in the Dem campaign offices should be asking Toy Revolver's original thread question, with the follow-up: who's our best option? I worry that just pre 2024 election, Biden will be hospitalised/diagnosed with something debilitating and the Dems will lose the election as they scratch round for a last-minute fill-in. Planning ahead: isn't that part of what politics is about? 

[Psy-Fi]

Joe Biden said THAT?!

[jimmy jazz]

Lol that's obviously very selective with the Trump comments but those Biden ones are shocking. Joe Biden gets such an easy ride compared to Donald.

[Lexi Darling]

Yeah, it's selective because it's a Daily Wire video, lol.

And for me personally, I give Biden an "easy ride" because he's literally the only option and actively calling him out on anything he may say or do is working against him and for the Republicans.

This isn't about principles anymore, it's about survival.

[Jwb]

Never understood how could anyone deny he was past his best mentally already during the 2020 dem primaries... If you want to defeat Trump, how about not to resorting to Trump-level denial of basic reality 

that was a decision that needed to be made in 2020. Now we're stuck with him whether anyone here likes it or not.  You're living on another planet if you don't think Biden will be the Dem ticket in 24.

[SGR]

that was a decision that needed to be made in 2020. Now we're stuck with him whether anyone here likes it or not.  You're living on another planet if you don't think Biden will be the Dem ticket in 24.

There's a fairly appreciable non-zero chance that complications with his health force him to end his bid for re-election. What happens after that is anyone's guess. Barring a health event, I'd agree with you. He's gonna win the Dem nomination.

[Jwb]

Yes if he steps down then sure. But that isn't going to happen.

[DJChameleon]

Never understood how could anyone deny he was past his best mentally already during the 2020 dem primaries... If you want to defeat Trump, how about not to resorting to Trump-level denial of basic reality 

You know why you don't understand it's because you don't live stateside. Biden boiled down to being the lesser of two evils. Even more so it was just like get any person in that wasn't Trump and he just eeked out a slight win. Most people that voted for Biden weren't voting for him. They were voting against Trump and thats it. Of course everyone knows he's an old man on his last legs no one is denying it but it was the best chance to get rid of Trump and it worked.

[jadis]

You know why you don't understand it's because you don't live stateside. Biden boiled down to being the lesser of two evils. Even more so it was just like get any person in that wasn't Trump and he just eeked out a slight win. Most people that voted for Biden weren't voting for him. They were voting against Trump and thats it. Of course everyone knows he's an old man on his last legs no one is denying it but it was the best chance to get rid of Trump and it worked.

"Understand" is not the word I was looking for. I get the the lesser evil thing, anyone but Trump etc. Moreover, I agree. But I also think that if you start playing fast and loose with reality then you're slipping precariously close to Trump's own turf. And that will end up boomeranging in your face. As could very well happen next year. 

[DJChameleon]

"Understand" is not the word I was looking for. I get the the lesser evil thing, anyone but Trump etc. Moreover, I agree. But I also think that if you start playing fast and loose with reality then you're slipping precariously close to Trump's own turf. And that will end up boomeranging in your face. As could very well happen next year. 

Trump could very well win or come super close to winning but corporate democrats won't allow anyone else to take up the lead on being a different candidate to run against hi. They are following the old playbook of throwing all support behind a president to give them two terms.

[jimmy jazz]

You really think Trump could win? I suppose if he goes against Biden again there's a chance but is Biden really gonna be the democrat candidate?

[Lexi Darling]

Unfortunately he probably is. The Dems are abiding by the historically accurate idea that they will get more division and less support if they dump the current president and go with someone else.

I dunno what the average Dem-leaning voter is really thinking, but I'd certainly like to think that most of them would be understanding of the fact that propping up a clearly unwell octogenarian is not the right thing for the party or the country. But what do I know.