The news thread

[Marie Monday]

give me a break lol.  He's very tame over here.  That joke was tame af. Batlord & co aren't going to ever extend him the kind of charity you do, and when you tell them not to call him a pedo they just ignore you and eventually go right back to it.

nah jokes about underage girls are never ok, whether they're relatively tame or not. I'm not claiming everyone on MB will treat Hawk well if he's just on his best behaviour, that's not my point

[Guybrush]

When you see how much fear in society is exacerbated by the media, I think they should be held accountable and regulated more in terms of what they can and can't do.

If a minority is overrepresented in crime statistics, then that causes fear of that minority. That creates opportunity for media. They can probably get more engagement from playing on those fears, identifying that minority in crimes reporting, and as a result also help exacerbate society's fear.

This will of course help power a negative feedback loop that helps prevent that minority from gaining equality and get to a better place.

I find it problematic and if tensions are high, it's probably better (imo) if they just didn't (or weren't allowed to) identify race so readily.

[Toy Revolver]

When you see how much fear in society is exacerbated by the media, I think they should be held accountable and regulated more in terms of what they can and can't do.

If a minority is overrepresented in crime statistics, then that causes fear of that minority. That creates opportunity for media. They can probably get more engagement from playing on those fears, identifying that minority in crimes reporting, and as a result also help exacerbate society's fear.

This will of course help power a negative feedback loop that helps prevent that minority from gaining equality and get to a better place.

I find it problematic and if tensions are high, it's probably better (imo) if they just didn't (or weren't allowed to) identify race so readily.

it's the not media's responsibility to fix the world

they should report news as it is period

it's a hard job but they shouldn't be activists

or weren't allowed to

fascist af tbh

[jimmy jazz]

When you see how much fear in society is exacerbated by the media, I think they should be held accountable and regulated more in terms of what they can and can't do.

I find it problematic and if tensions are high, it's probably better (imo) if they just didn't (or weren't allowed to) identify race so readily.

Yes

i wouldn't classify including the race just based on "well don't ya think that old man is probably racist?" as very good reporting at all, lol.

If it was a hate crime or race was somehow suspected to be relevant by the authorities, then the race would certainly be news worthy. But honestly i don't doubt for a second they will go with the race angle quicker if it's a white perp and a black victim because that story will generate more interest and outrage just because of the racial aspect. Regardless of if it's actually true or not.

Yes

[Toy Revolver]

i'm pretty floored you think the media should be "regulated" and "held accountable" for reporting factually correct information

[jadis]

jokes about underage girls are never ok

There are many assumptions behind this I don't follow. What moral imperative underlies this "ok"? Never ever admitting that you find a 17 yo attractive?

If a joke is between two fellas with no one else in the vicinity, should they still need to wash their mouths with soap? If she's a cheerleader but above the age of consent?

[Toy Revolver]

There are many assumptions behind this I don't follow. What moral imperative underlies this "ok"? Never ever admitting that you find a 17 yo attractive?

If a joke is between two fellas with no one else in the vicinity, should they still need to wash their mouths with soap? If she's a cheerleader but above the age of consent?

it's natural for people to want to gatekeep other people's vaginas

they are very VERY special

especially the fresh ones

[jimmy jazz]

i'm pretty floored you think the media should be "regulated" and "held accountable" for reporting factually correct information

They can report facts but they should be relevant. Unless it is a factor in the story (and the victim being black/perp being white isn't good enough) then there's no need to mention it any more than mentioning whether they're left handed or whether they are fat. I just want common sense and consistency. Is that seriously too much to ask?

[Toy Revolver]

They can report facts but they should be relevant. Unless it is a factor in the story (and the victim being black/perp being white isn't good enough) then there's no need to mention it any more than mentioning whether they're left handed or whether they are fat. I just want common sense and consistency. Is that seriously too much to ask?

it sounds like a reasonable expectation

but

1) race plays a role in every interaction in america

2) even granting your expectation as reasonable and race sometimes being only as relevant as left-handedness the call for "regulation" of the media is over the top and shows no respect for the freedom of the press

regulated? really?

common sense consistency is desirable- asking for regulation of the media to achieve it is using a hand grenade to kill a fly

[Guybrush]

Of course I'm for regulation. I'm a Norwegian left winger.

It's problematic if the way they make more money is by ruining society. Then I think some kind of regulation may be sensible.

Not all regulation is draconic, fascist or totalitarian. That's just the American in you 😊

[Toy Revolver]

Of course I'm for regulation. I'm a Norwegian left winger.

It's problematic if the way they make more money is by ruining society. Then I think some kind of regulation may be sensible.

Not all regulation is draconic, fascist or totalitarian. That's just the American in you 😊

you support regulating which facts the media can report?

i'm not opposed to all regulation but regulating honest speech is a shocking position to me and the implementation of it would certainly be a form of totalitarianism

[Guybrush]

you support regulating which facts the media can report?

i'm not opposed to all regulation but regulating honest speech is a shocking position to me and the implementation of it would certainly be a form of totalitarianism

There are many different means of regulation. Norwegian media follow (or are at least expected to follow) the same basic Code of Ethics that you can see here: https://presse.no/pfu/etiske-regler/vaer-varsom-plakaten/vvpl-engelsk/

If Norway was America, I would've suggested that it includes pointers on how to report on minorities or concerning race.

You probably have something similar?

[Toy Revolver]

what do propose the consequence should be for describing a person

[Guybrush]

what do propose the consequence should be for describing a person

Let's pretend it's Norway and let's say reporting on race was done weirdly (like in the title) when it should be completely irrelevant and the Code of Ethics says this is wrong.

Someone who recognizes this could make a complaint to the Media Professional Committee, referring to the offending material.

The committee would review it and make some judgment. If the publication is in error, the paper publicize a statement admitting fault ("we're sorry") for the offending article and also add a statement about this in the offending article itself.

This happens now and then here.

It's also possible to break the law by publishing things and the usual response is, I believe, a fine.

[Toy Revolver]

well getting a fine for identifying a fact might not be the iron fist of stalin but i don't like it -

people here thinking 84 year old white man shooting that 16 year old black kid probably isn't racial -

i'm not saying it's the only factor but it totally is one factor

of that was something npr could get fined for that would be nuts

so it only applies when the criminal is black

like the black guy shooting the white kid chasing his basketball

probably not racial but it might be

no regulatory committee should be able to decide that

if they police themselves unfairly against blacks or whites (like they do when the cops kill white people by underreporting i don't like it but they do their job how they do it - i don't have to like it)