Trump administration will identify and eliminate cause of autism 'by September'

[Key]

Incidentally, just so you know, I wasn't saying anything more but JJ asked a question which I then responded to. Part of that response was that I hadn't read through the thread he referenced, so my second response was that I had read it and that was what I thought. I wasn't trying to bring the issue back up, just responding.

Oh I've no doubt that everything everyone was saying here was meant to be helpful. I just think at some point we start to go in circles and end up just repeating the same thing over and over again. And solely due to the fact that Tristan herself hasn't responded in quite some time, I think that's our que to move on from this and hopefully those involved will practice restraint lest we find ourselves in a situation like this again.

[tristan_geoff]

Oh I've no doubt that everything everyone was saying here was meant to be helpful. I just think at some point we start to go in circles and end up just repeating the same thing over and over again. And solely due to the fact that Tristan herself hasn't responded in quite some time, I think that's our que to move on from this and hopefully those involved will practice restraint lest we find ourselves in a situation like this again.

i think progressively different points have been made, i dont see a reason to quell discussion happening naturally on solely my account.  trust me i've been reading lol, i agree with most of the points said by trollheart and guybrush.

i feel that anger is an important emotion to learn what is important to you, but pushed in an unprocessed form onto people only muddles whatever point is trying to come forth.

that being said, i appreciate that there are people here on very different ends of the political spectrum, i think that no matter what you think you are a person worth being here and gettin thru ur shit.  what seems obvious to me as a fallacy is to another a strength, i think that in recent political times facts and opinions have gotten confused for each other, and overwhelmingly what i care about is that people have chances to grow and learn, have community and resources, and to help one another alleviate our collective suffering.  the government exists in direct opposition to this as a means of control, progressively in the world theatre as we approach fascism at an alarming rate.  the government is inherently oppressive, and i find that no matter what flavor of politics someone believes we tend to have in common the understanding that power and control and greed are not good when millions of populace is at ur will.

[Saulaac]

i think progressively different points have been made, i dont see a reason to quell discussion happening naturally on solely my account.  trust me i've been reading lol, i agree with most of the points said by trollheart and guybrush.

i feel that anger is an important emotion to learn what is important to you, but pushed in an unprocessed form onto people only muddles whatever point is trying to come forth.

that being said, i appreciate that there are people here on very different ends of the political spectrum, i think that no matter what you think you are a person worth being here and gettin thru ur shit.  what seems obvious to me as a fallacy is to another a strength, i think that in recent political times facts and opinions have gotten confused for each other, and overwhelmingly what i care about is that people have chances to grow and learn, have community and resources, and to help one another alleviate our collective suffering.  the government exists in direct opposition to this as a means of control, progressively in the world theatre as we approach fascism at an alarming rate.  the government is inherently oppressive, and i find that no matter what flavor of politics someone believes we tend to have in common the understanding that power and control and greed are not good when millions of populace is at ur will.

That is a succint message, tristan. I was going to bold some of your post but then I thought all of it deserved to be emboldended.

[Mindy]

i dont like tapping into threads like this but like @Lexi Darling mentioned, it's my thread.



i did think JJ came off a bit not vibish,(no offense mate), because I agree @tristan_geoff should be able to express their opinion on online forums, especially if it relates to them personally

[Auroras In Ice]

I consider myself left and largely stay out of these discussions because I find them frustrating, but I still think we have to find the right balance so this place hopefully doesn't become just another echo chamber on the internet. The diversity of our community is part what makes us special, I think. Being able to connect across these differences is a beautiful thing. To preserve this, we gotta be a little careful that we don't cater to one side of an issue, but rather to principles that apply to all equally.

Just wanted to add a thought into this (and then let this discussion go). Recognizing both (or rather all) sides of an issue also needs people to critically examine and recognize when others are engaging in bad faith. While it's of course fine for people to speak their piece, not all sides and views are equally valid and you can't reason people out of an idea they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. A lot of bad faith arguments count on eliciting a reaction, not contributing to an actual discussion. Handle that as you (royal you here, not you guybrush lol) will, but it's usually a fool's game to grant those arguments and people your time and energy. You'll end up frustrated and derailed from any productive discussion that was going on, which you probably don't want. But, it's exactly what they want... an audience and a reaction. No matter how sharp your wit is, no matter how informed you are, and no matter how thoroughly you debunk a bad faith argument... you can never win, because there's always an illogical and fallacious way to flip the tables back around and keep getting you reacting and you ultimately take the L for dignifying it in the first place.

There's an odd unspoken standard online where there's some noble obligation to entertain ideas and people you would otherwise roll your eyes at and walk away from in real life. As if the angry drunk who walks around the bar picking shit with everyone should be treated as some erudite intellectual who is just a bit rough around the edges or is just telling "hard truths". IMO, while this has been a good thing in some cases because you can get exposed to interesting and valuable challenges to your ideas and views that you may not get offline, it's also been co-opted as a means to elevate some truly awful illogical shit and inject it into mainstream discourse which has manifested in real world harm. Either way, I've found my experience in online discussions infinitely better, more genuinely intellectually challenging and rewarding, and more fun when I started applying my real life standards to online interactions.

[Mindy]

https://scd.community/index.php?topic=1705.msg44997#msg44997

[Lexi of the Dawn]

Fuck this deranged eugenicist shithead.

[Lexi of the Dawn]

He's putting autistic people on a government list.

This is fucking terrifying. Absolute eugenicist psycho shit.

[Auroras In Ice]

He's putting autistic people on a government list.

This is fucking terrifying. Absolute eugenicist psycho shit.

There are government run registries like this which external researchers can access for studies around Europe, with particularly large and detailed registries in Nordic nations... but this is not at all like those (though I anticipate they will try to claim it is). No transparency for how and whose data will be extracted, no protocol for how it will be anonymized or stored, no apparent mechanisms for people to find out if they are included and opt out/have their data completely removed, and bizarrely these external researchers can only view the data... so who does the analyses? Where does the data on whatever "toxins" he hopes to associate with autism come from, when/how was that collected? How will that be linked to the individuals in the study? All with a delusional goal of solving autism by September, especially given that they've purged nearly half of the NIH?

This is so profoundly unethical and unscientifically nonsensical. Also, as someone who was in Sweden during the first couple years of the pandemic, even having fucking Bhattacharya anywhere near this makes my eye twitch.

[Mindy]

[Lexi of the Dawn]

Go OFF king