Trump administration will identify and eliminate cause of autism 'by September'

[Auroras In Ice]

Not to dogpile or repeat what Trollheart has already said, but I also didn't see anything at all wrong with Tristan's posts. There's a lot of people who are rightfully concerned and angry about how things are going and what it means for them, and there's also less and less places to openly express that without it painting targets on their backs. Let's not be one of those places. If you can't relate to that and you are safe and secure in your station in life with everything going on and are looking around thinking "what are all of these people on about", count your blessings, and I hope things stay well for you.

Beyond playing games with minutia and semantics, these simple "lol" replies to thought out responses only serve to agitate and dismiss without actually making a point. Whether that's your intent or not, that's the outcome. Instead of picking at these things looking for any little hole, maybe try engaging with the larger reasons for why people are worried and pissed off. Try to understand from their perspective. You learn more from listening than from trying to poke holes. If you simply can't help yourself from doing that, there's more than enough places online where you can get pats on the back for this sort of thing. Not sure if that will happen here, and I don't perceive much appetite from the posters here to entertain martyr routines when pushback comes.

[Key]

The "lol" style replies are so tiresome. There's always a productive way to have back and forth conversations about political things, but the nature of the internet doesn't allow for it. Its basically a reddit form of communication and it's exhausting. People want reactions more than they want to have an actual conversation. And it's only getting worse.

Keep in mind that the Kanye West thread is one of the more popular threads on this forum despite Kanye's views. Speaks volumes.

[jimmy jazz]

There's a disturbing current of nitpicking and "prove it" in your posts lately, JJ. I tackled you on it in the Trump thread. Let's be quite honest: with the world as it is now, being a nitpicker and all but apologist for the Trump administration is not a good look for you. You may feel that's an unfair characterisation of you, but I'm pretty certain there are at least three people here who would agree with me. You don't tend to add anything to conversations/threads/debates involving the latest atrocity wrought by Project 2025, other than to try to either deny it or force someone to prove a point. It really would be better for you not to comment on such sensitive issues if you don't have the sensitivity to do so. People are hurting, and you're just not helping, mate. I hope you can see where I'm coming from here. I would say it's not a criticism, but it really is. You might be better just metaphorically biting your tongue rather than challenging people on small points of semantics when these people are oppressed and scared and angry enough already. Or just try to be more understanding and sympathetic.

Well yeah that's because the vast majority of posters on here are far left, they would agree with any post that strays from that position = defending fascism, Trump apologist, or being accused of being uncaring. I generally tend to agree with the views, just not how they're sensationalised.

I've already been biting my tongue. Every now and then something gets posted that is so unbelievable I think, surely that can't be happening. Then you look into it and find that it isn't happening  and yes if you post an article or make a bold claim you should prove it if you're asked about it. That's part of having a discussion. You lot just don't like it when someone doesn't agree with 100% of what you're saying. Asking for someone to back up what they've said is not Trump apologism.

If I had posted articles or opinions where there was a nugget of truth in them but they were misleading, you lot would have been on me quicker than flies on shit regardless of whether I was hurting, concerned or had a legitimate grievance.

Just out of interest, if we had a Trump voter on here, and they were open about the fact they voted for Trump, how would they be treated?

[jimmy jazz]

Not to dogpile or repeat what Trollheart has already said, but I also didn't see anything at all wrong with Tristan's posts. There's a lot of people who are rightfully concerned and angry about how things are going and what it means for them

I think it went a bit further than being "rightfully concerned".

[Key]

Well yeah that's because the vast majority of posters on here are far left, they would agree with any post that strays from that position = defending fascism, Trump apologist, or being accused of being uncaring. I generally tend to agree with the views, just not how they're sensationalised.

I've already been biting my tongue. Every now and then something gets posted that is so unbelievable I think, surely that can't be happening. Then you look into it and find that it isn't happening  and yes if you post an article or make a bold claim you should prove it if you're asked about it. That's part of having a discussion. You lot just don't like it when someone doesn't agree with 100% of what you're saying. Asking for someone to back up what they've said is not Trump apologism.

If I had posted articles or opinions where there was a nugget of truth in them but they were misleading, you lot would have been on me quicker than flies on shit regardless of whether I was hurting, concerned or had a legitimate grievance.

Just out of interest, if we had a Trump voter on here, and they were open about the fact they voted for Trump, how would they be treated?

Dude, just stop while you're behind. It's not a good look. You know what you're doing. Best to let it go and move on.

[jimmy jazz]

Dude, just stop while you're behind. It's not a good look.

Nothing wrong with what I've posted. As I said, you just don't like it when people don't agree with 100% of your views.

You know what you're doing. Best to let it go and move on.

You posted, why don't you move on?

[Key]

Nothing wrong with what I've posted. As I said, you just don't like it when people don't agree with 100% of your views.

You posted, why don't you move on?

If you read this thread, you'd know it's nothing to do with your views. It's about ridiculing someone that shared their opinion about something and them getting attacked for it for seeminly no reason or justification. Just stop.

[jimmy jazz]

If you read this thread, you'd know it's nothing to do with your views. It's about ridiculing someone that shared their opinion about something and them getting attacked for it for seeminly no reason or justification. Just stop.

Yes it is, Trolls wasn't just talking about this thread. And as far as attacks go, if that was an attack then it was extremely mild.

[Key]

Yes it is, Trolls wasn't just talking about this thread. And as far as attacks go, if that was an attack then it was extremely mild.

Fair enough. I generally don't really have a problem with you or anyone at this forum really. I haven't really read anything in terms of your views that would make me think of you any differently than anyone else so if there's context that im missing, then thats that I suppose.

I think a lot of what's going on in this country has a lot of people rightfully emotional and high strung and that in itself can breed it's own form of angst, if you will. I generally stay out of political discussion for that reason because while a lot of what people are saying is valid, there's a lot of emotional context to it that can't be expressed through text and I think that's generally lost in respect to forums which can make it difficult to have one on one discussions about this kind of stuff.

[tristan_geoff]

its not ur values it urs morals honey

[jimmy jazz]

Fair enough. I generally don't really have a problem with you or anyone at this forum really. I haven't really read anything in terms of your views that would make me think of you any differently than anyone else so if there's context that im missing, then thats that I suppose.

The thread we're discussing, I said the extra loophole was harsh, stupid and unfair. This is what I mean when I say I generally agree with the view. I didn't say the extra difficulty applying for a visa was justified. I didn't say I agreed with it or supported it. I actually made it clear that I DIDN'T agree with it, but even that isn't enough. What I took issue with was the idea that trans people are now denied entry to the USA. I am absolutely not apologising for that.

I think a lot of what's going on in this country has a lot of people rightfully emotional and high strung and that in itself can breed it's own form of angst, if you will. I generally stay out of political discussion for that reason because while a lot of what people are saying is valid, there's a lot of emotional context to it that can't be expressed through text and I think that's generally lost in respect to forums which can make it difficult to have one on one discussions about this kind of stuff.

I understand that and that's fair. But it is a discussion forum and if you're going to discuss these issues on here then you have to accept differing opinions.

[tristan_geoff]

The thread we're discussing, I said the extra loophole was harsh, stupid and unfair. This is what I mean when I say I generally agree with the view. I didn't say the extra difficulty applying for a visa was justified. I didn't say I agreed with it or supported it. I actually made it clear that I DIDN'T agree with it, but even that isn't enough. What I took issue with was the idea that trans people are now denied entry to the USA. I am absolutely not apologising for that.

I understand that and that's fair. But it is a discussion forum and if you're going to discuss these issues on here then you have to accept differing opinions.

eugenics is not a fucking opinion, mate

[jimmy jazz]

eugenics is not a fucking opinion, mate

It's a good job I didn't say I agreed with it then.

[Guybrush]

We of course don't police what convictions, beliefs, political leanings or moral values people have, only how they're expressed. I don't think echo chambers are particularly interesting and so I welcome opinions that differ from my own.

In a world that's this polarized, navigating and discussing these topics in a flawless, civil manner isn't easy and sometimes perhaps not even entirely possible, but I do appreciate you all trying.

Despite being on opposite sides of an issue, I urge you to not immediately think the worst of each other. Most of us are probably more moderate in our opinions than a sensationalist media that tries to frighten us would have us believe.

[Key]

I understand that and that's fair. But it is a discussion forum and if you're going to discuss these issues on here then you have to accept differing opinions.

100%. That's generally why I stay out of these topics. I've always had a problem with being able to convey myself through text properly. I never quite get the point across that I want to get across so I just kind of stay out of this stuff. But I respect those that can do it, and can do it well.