Tracking the Anti-LGBTQIA+ Movement

[Lexi Darling]

"The Crime Is Being Trans": Montana House Passes Indecent Exposure Bill Applying Only To Trans People

This is so fucking stupid. If a trans woman who has undergone bottom surgery and has a vagina undresses in a locker room where everyone else also has a vagina, she is violating the law. Enforcing this would be utter chaos, I don't even want to honor it by talking about the potential aside from what Rep Zephyr said in the video in the linked article.

None of this has any roots in any logic other than "we hate trans people specifically". God.

[Auroras In Ice]

There's zero logic other than scapegoating and cruelty. All of that just to target a small group of people who cause no problems for anyone and just want to live their lives. Infuriating. Odd that the voices trying to wave this all off as hysteria have all stfu now.

[Lexi Darling]

There's zero logic other than scapegoating and cruelty. All of that just to target a small group of people who cause no problems for anyone and just want to live their lives. Infuriating. Odd that the voices trying to wave this all off as hysteria have all stfu now.

In my experience the people who tried to tell me I was hysterical and that the eradication of trans people "isn't happening" have all gone mask off and now openly proclaim their support for the eradication of trans people.

[Lexi Darling]

"I also cut off taxpayer funding to any institution that engages in sexual mutilation of our youth"

"Now I want congress to permanently ban and criminalize sex changes on children"

this doesn't happen you blithering idiot. you are talking about criminalizing pronouns and clothing and going by different names. everyone who supports this man is a fucking brainless moron

the rapist and number one epstein fan dares to blabber about "the sexual mutilation of our youth". fucking sicko

[Auroras In Ice]

In my experience the people who tried to tell me I was hysterical and that the eradication of trans people "isn't happening" have all gone mask off and now openly proclaim their support for the eradication of trans people.

All cowards need a crowd to hide in or bully to grovel behind before they show their true colours.


Going to start adding in things that are going on up here, too. With everything going on, this has largely flown under the radar but sets a horrible standard.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10841743/alberta-transgender-youth-legislation/

[Trollheart]

I don't care who calls it hyperbole, there couldn't be a closer correlation between how trans people are being seen/treated/scapegoated/targeted and how the Jews fared under Nazi Germany. Anyone who says I'm taking it too seriously needs to open their fucking eyes. Mind you, it will be too late then.

There hasn't been any significant shift here towards an anti-trans agenda, however attacks on gay men seem to be getting bolder and more out in the open, as detailed in my All Things Ireland thread, and there's that fucking lunatic teacher who's gaining national coverage because he refuses to use the proper pronoun to address a trans student, though in reality he's in jail (or was) due to refusal to comply with a high court order to stay away from the school. I'll trawl through my thread and see if I can find the links and post them here.

I'll also, if they happen, note instances that occur here, though as I say for now, we're relatively calm.

[Lexi Darling]

I don't care who calls it hyperbole, there couldn't be a closer correlation between how trans people are being seen/treated/scapegoated/targeted and how the Jews fared under Nazi Germany. Anyone who says I'm taking it too seriously needs to open their fucking eyes. Mind you, it will be too late then.

There hasn't been any significant shift here towards an anti-trans agenda, however attacks on gay men seem to be getting bolder and more out in the open, as detailed in my All Things Ireland thread, and there's that fucking lunatic teacher who's gaining national coverage because he refuses to use the proper pronoun to address a trans student, though in reality he's in jail (or was) due to refusal to comply with a high court order to stay away from the school. I'll trawl through my thread and see if I can find the links and post them here.

I'll also, if they happen, note instances that occur here, though as I say for now, we're relatively calm.

You don't even really have to correlate the treatment of trans people now to the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany, you can just correlate it to the treatment of trans people in Nazi Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany

All of this has happened to us before. Nazis have always been heavily patriarchal and insistent upon framing strict gender roles and "traditional family values" as biologically intrinsic and necessary to their vision of society. Trans people are a very obvious example of a group that completely break that ideology, so they need us to be eliminated. I don't think they even need a Final Solution; all they need to do is remove our legal protections, criminalize our medication and send us to be forcibly detransitioned in our birth sex's prison (the second of which has been proposed and the first and third of which are already happening) and then keep pushing lies as media narratives and enforce online censorship (also already happening on government websites) to erase all recognition of us.

They are misogynists who are obsessed with gender essentialist views that men and women each have specific functions in society, that gender conformity is "common sense". If trans people are thriving in society, it sends the message that such a rigid worldview is actually totally bogus, that people can defy the "natural social order" of gender and live their best lives. So they need us to disappear. This will not erase us of course; being trans isn't something you can suppress out of existence, it comes from within, as is evidenced by the fact that 9 year old me felt like I would be happier as a girl six years before I found out people actually could transition. However, these policies will lead to generations of people forced to suffocate under lifetimes of dysphoria if something isn't done to change this.

[Auroras In Ice]

You don't even really have to correlate the treatment of trans people now to the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany, you can just correlate it to the treatment of trans people in Nazi Germany.

Great post. 100%, not to mention that anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-trans hysteria have been part of all fascist and authoritarian movements in recent history. Russia, Hungary, Brazil under Bolsonaro, Argentina under Milei (Argentina used to be very pro-trans) etc. Fostering fragile male masculine identities is a huge ingredient for authoritarianism, which is why the early stages of these movements very deliberately focus on taking in disenfranchised young men and tie authoritarian idealism to a restoration of manliness and "traditional" roles through which they will again be empowered and punish those who dared keep them down. Instead of addressing the personal and legitimate societal factors that are negatively impacting them, they are provided vulnerable scapegoats to punch down on. Trans people are the obvious target to pick because they can be cast as deviants and degenerates. These guys are the easiest to prime for violence at the service of demagogues and tyrants and most capable of carrying it out. The incel to fascist pipeline is pretty direct, and there weren't many young women that rampaged through the streets with the Brown Shirts.

Cruelty and disregard directed to disabled and LGBTQ+ people are the canaries in the coal mine to pick up on authoritarian movements picking up steam. Obviously there's been a latent fascist undercurrent in the west for a long while, but I think it really started to kick into gear when COVID hit because people became extremely comfortable normalizing mass death and, quite frankly, we already collectively tossed disabled people to the curb. Once people can do that, normalizing awful things directed at any group becomes easier and every arbitrarily defined group can and will become the new target. Fascism and authoritarianism are doomed to fail and self-defeating since life ends up with no real value. It's just a matter of how many will be harmed before it is stopped or implodes.

[Jwb]

I was kind of planning on letting this thread be, but my debate riddled brain feels the need to at least question a statement like "I don't care who says it's hyperbole, I'm going to insist that the holocaust is a good analogy for what is going on." Ask yourself this: what specific part of the holocaust are you thinking of.  Is it the death camps? The work camps? The ghettos? Or is it just vaguely the idea of any group being discriminated against and their rights being targeted?

 Cause in my view, there's probably better analogies to draw than the holocaust.  If you are going to jump right to the most extreme example,  then you should ask yourself what it is you are actually suggesting you think is going to happen,  and how similar to the holocaust you actually expect that to be. 

It seems to me completely unconvincing to just vaguely assert that "this is how it starts." It could be. You have no idea. More often,  people just get discriminated against without it leading to genocide. 

I'm not saying that to try to downplay the nature of the threat.  I feel like there are examples of how gays and trans people are discriminated against in many parts of the world into living an invisible existence,  and that was true in the west until recently as well. You don't need to reach for the holocaust to make your point.  Unless you actually believe there are death camps coming.

[Lexi Darling]

Speaking for myself I believe I have mostly have drawn parallels to Nazi Germany with regards to the systematic stripping of rights and protections that minorities such as us experienced, as well as the general rhetoric used by the Nazis to attack us, as per my last post, rather than a comparison to the holocaust.

I don't expect a holocaust in that I don't expect death camps and I have said as much that the Final Solution comparisons are unwarranted. But I also think that things could easily still escalate if there is no meaningful pushback. The proposed prospect of adult HRT bans is state sanctioned physical violence, it is denial of medications that trans people need to function and ripping it away causes direct physical harm, especially to those who are post-bottom surgery. You don't need to literally kill us in gas chambers to enact widespread violence and eventually lots of deaths.

I also stand by that Elon Musk, JD Vance, Steve Bannon etc are in fact Nazis, and I think comparisons to the OG Nazis are absolutely a legitimate discussion to be had when these people in high offices of government are doing Nazi salutes on tv and retweeting open white nationalists.

I don't disagree with you, for the record. I think there are sensible comparisons to Nazi policies and ideologies that can be made without invoking the holocaust and I try to keep my comments measured with regards to any speculation about potential escalation.

I realize your post is mostly directed at TH, and I agree with you with regards to his specific statement. I just wanted to illustrate my take on some of the Nazi Germany parallels that I feel are more sensible to draw.

[Trollheart]

I would point out that what I said was "a correlation between this and what happened to the Jews" - I wasn't specifically talking about the holocaust. What I meant was, the attempts to strip them of all rights, standing, remove them from society and then eliminate them, which eventually did lead to the death camps, yes, but I'm not saying Trusk are preparing such a solution. Yet. I'm saying they're working from the Nazi playbook. You can also call it a pogrom perhaps. The point I'm making is that it starts like this, and we don't know for sure where it will end up, but this is how it was back then: you identify a target group, you all but authorise/sanction violence against them, you blame them for everything you can, you remove their rights and their possessions, and you as such attempt to exile and then exterminate them. While we haven't reached the latter part yet, pretty much everything else is happening as it did. They're even making it all but impossible for those who wish to leave this fascist state and seek safety to do so, as the Nazis made it harder for Jews to leave who wanted to.

There is no earthly reason for people - normal "good" people - to fear or hate trans people, if they just thought about it logically, but an agenda is being pushed that will use fear and lies to "show" them that they should, must, have to hate these people, that it is, in the end, a battle between good and evil, and the trans people are evil. People will be told to choose, and as with most situations like this, those who are not sure will be swept up in the paranoia and carried along with it. The idea even of "false flag" operations, where people identified as trans say, shoot up a school or something, is not at all unlikely. This administration will bend, twist and break the truth, remoulding it into whatever shape suits it, and most of the population will follow along, believing blindly.

To quote Basil Fawlty: this is exactly how Nazi Germany started! How it ends, depends, I guess, on the strength of will to oppose the party in power, and when and how that will is used. How soon, in other words, before enough people say NO, not in our name?

My post, then, can't be argued with, even if you're trying to make it say things I did not this time say. Just look at the list Lexi's keeping and tell me that's not similar to a list of things Hitler, Goering and Himmler did as soon as the Nazis took power. It's all around us now and can no longer be ignored or played down. How far do YOU think it's going to go?

[Lexi Darling]

I apologize, TH. I saw the phrase JWB put in quotes without referring back to your original post and assumed the holocaust reference was something you actually said. I fell for that misattribution and that was my mistake. And I do agree that they are taking many pages from the Nazi playbook and that that is something to take gravely seriously.

[Trollheart]

Not a problem, Lexi. Misinterpretation of my posts or even someone putting words in my mouth matters little when you consider what you're facing. My heart just bleeds for you, what's left of it. It just annoys me when anyone downplays what's happening; I don't want to be scaremongering, but I also don't want to be closing my eyes and turning away. It's easy for me, thousands of miles away I know, but you should know, heart to heart, we're not that far away really. Not that it helps, but, you know...

[Lexi Darling]

[Lexi Darling]

Gavin Newsom sucks up to fascists on trans issues.

So deeply disappointing.