Kanye West

[Key]

I don't think you can separate the art from the artist when it comes to Kanye.

His music is too personal.

That's what I was saying before. It's hard to really listen to his music now knowing what we know now. It's a shame too because there was a time that I genuinely enjoyed listening to his stuff.

[Key]

I wouldn't put Kanye and JK Rowling in the same boat when one is of sound mind and the other is trolling for attention in a manic phase. He said the worst thing to him is being threatened with hospitalization when he clearly needs it and that's why his wife left him.

Dude isn't trolling. He's flat out spreading hate and has been called out for it many times and still does it. Surprised somebody with your morals would equate Kanye to trolling and not admit he's spreading outright lies and hatred to a group of people. You know better than that. Cmon deej.

[jimmy jazz]

He probably is trolling a bit tbf. He's definitely looking for reactions and he definitely isn't of sound mind.

[jimmy jazz]

That's what I was saying before. It's hard to really listen to his music now knowing what we know now. It's a shame too because there was a time that I genuinely enjoyed listening to his stuff.

I've always thought most of it was bang average or just plain shit. Now I think most of it is bang average and plain shit.

There are probably around 10 productions he's done that I really love though.

Etc.

[DJChameleon]

I honestly don't care if he's trolling at this point. He hangs out with actual white supremacists, sells swastika merch, makes direct threats to the Jewish people on Twitter, he's been doing that for half a decade now and frankly even if he's 100% trolling, does it really matter when he keeps doing it? I don't think it's unreasonable to consider him a contributor to the spread of far right hate. There's only so far "oh so and so is just being an edgy troll, that hate rhetoric isn't his real views so it isn't worth taking seriously" can be stretched, especially when he's involving actual neo nazis like Nick Fuentes.

And even then, just because he doesn't really believe the things he says doesn't mean he's not still contributing to normalizing that shit in an era when government officials with real power and influence are doing nazi salutes on TV and retweeting antisemitic conspiracy theories on the reg. Mental illness doesn't absolve him of negative impact on the world.

Can you admit that he's mentally ill though? You give him way too much credit. There are other sources that have been doing a bang up job of spreading white supremacy than him. He's boring and I definitely don't take anything he says seriously. He's pretty much like a toddler crying out for attention. People that want to hate him will believe those are his authentic takes and that he truly believes all that stuff and dismiss him. Which they can all the want but it's easy to see through.

[Lexi Darling]

Can you admit that he's mentally ill though? You give him way too much credit. There are other sources that have been doing a bang up job of spreading white supremacy than him. He's boring and I definitely don't take anything he says seriously. He's pretty much like a toddler crying out for attention. People that want to hate him will believe those are his authentic takes and that he truly believes all that stuff and dismiss him. Which they can all the want but it's easy to see through.

I'm not saying I believe these are his authentic takes, and I did acknowledge that he is mentally ill in my last sentence. My point was that it doesn't matter to me that these aren't his real beliefs.

If someone says antisemitic shit constantly i really don't think there's very much of a functional difference whether he actually believes it or not, and I'm going to treat the subject of him pushing Nazi shit with the gravity it deserves. I think a good amount of early 4chan was full of edgy trolling with their racist memes, but they were still spreading racist ideas and normalizing them regardless of what the users' underlying beliefs may have been.

If Kanye really isn't antisemitic then great, he's just being an irresponsible jackass then. And he still is associating with and cross promoting Nick Fuentes. Until he apologizes, denounces this garbage and gets help I don't see why I should think of him any differently than any other artist who spews bigoted shit.

Edit: I will agree that he's not *as* bad as JK Rowling. But when someone makes Nazism their brand I think it's perfectly reasonable for a person of Jewish heritage such as myself to want nothing to do with them and to feel uncomfortable in places where it seems like the Nazism that is inextricably a big part of his brand is being ignored or downplayed.

[Key]

Can you admit that he's mentally ill though? You give him way too much credit. There are other sources that have been doing a bang up job of spreading white supremacy than him. He's boring and I definitely don't take anything he says seriously. He's pretty much like a toddler crying out for attention. People that want to hate him will believe those are his authentic takes and that he truly believes all that stuff and dismiss him. Which they can all the want but it's easy to see through.

Claiming mental illness doesn't mean you can go around spouting nazi rhetoric. The two are not mutually exclusive. He may be mentally ill, sure. But his words also have weight to them and he should be taken seriously. You not taking them seriously basically says you're OK with his rhetoric. And that's not OK.

As Lexi said, dismissing what he's saying and not taking it seriously basically normalizes the behavior and makes it seem like it's ok to act this way. It's not. It's deplorable and should be frowned upon. This isn't hard to understand.

[Lucem Ferre]

Nah. Us bipolars don't consistently act bigoted unless we are bigoted.

This & the Kardashian scapegoating are two narratives that need to stop.

Kanye has gotten way too much grace.

And beastiality is wrong. Fish cannot consent.

[DJChameleon]

I'm not saying I believe these are his authentic takes, and I did acknowledge that he is mentally ill in my last sentence. My point was that it doesn't matter to me that these aren't his real beliefs.

If someone says antisemitic shit constantly i really don't think there's very much of a functional difference whether he actually believes it or not, and I'm going to treat the subject of him pushing Nazi shit with the gravity it deserves. I think a good amount of early 4chan was full of edgy trolling with their racist memes, but they were still spreading racist ideas and normalizing them regardless of what the users' underlying beliefs may have been.

If Kanye really isn't antisemitic then great, he's just being an irresponsible jackass then. And he still is associating with and cross promoting Nick Fuentes. Until he apologizes, denounces this garbage and gets help I don't see why I should think of him any differently than any other artist who spews bigoted shit.

Edit: I will agree that he's not *as* bad as JK Rowling. But when someone makes Nazism their brand I think it's perfectly reasonable for a person of Jewish heritage such as myself to want nothing to do with them and to feel uncomfortable in places where it seems like the Nazism that is inextricably a big part of his brand is being ignored or downplayed.

It's only normalized if you give it more credit than it's worth for the things hes saying and take him seriously imo. 😒

I do understand your perspective though being Jewish in your heritage of course your allowed to feel uncomfortable and completely write him off.

Even if he apologizes I wouldn't even take that to heart until he gets help for his mental illness because he would be just saying it to say it.

All your feelings towards him are valid.

[DJChameleon]

Nah. Us bipolars don't consistently act bigoted unless we are bigoted.

This & the Kardashian scapegoating are two narratives that need to stop.

Kanye has gotten way too much grace.

And beastiality is wrong. Fish cannot consent.

You can't lump all bipolar people together like they are a monolith. Your experience and his are different.

[DJChameleon]

Claiming mental illness doesn't mean you can go around spouting nazi rhetoric. The two are not mutually exclusive. He may be mentally ill, sure. But his words also have weight to them and he should be taken seriously. You not taking them seriously basically says you're OK with his rhetoric. And that's not OK.

His words should only be taken seriously if he's of sound mind. The only reason his words have weight is because you give them weight as a person receiving the toxic stuff he's saying. Also you are connecting dots where you shouldn't. Just because I recognise his mental illness and don't take him seriously doesn't mean that I support bigots like Nick Fuentes that are of sound mind and that's just who they are as an individual.

[Lucem Ferre]

You can't lump all bipolar people together like they are a monolith. Your experience and his are different.

Antisemitism is not a symptom of bipolar disorder, ffs.

When your manic episode ends, so do your delusions.

When Kanye decides he's an ultra Christian who doesn't swear just to give that up so quickly, that's his bipolar. When Kanye went on an anti-porn kick talking about how he's a victim of porn addiction just to drop all that and announce a porn company that never actually comes to fruition, that's his bipolar disorder.

When Kanye is consistently antisemitic for years and never walks it back & doubles down on it instead, that's just him. It's what he actually believes.

[Key]

His words should only be taken seriously if he's of sound mind. The only reason his words have weight is because you give them weight as a person receiving the toxic stuff he's saying. Also you are connecting dots where you shouldn't. Just because I recognise his mental illness and don't take him seriously doesn't mean that I support bigots like Nick Fuentes that are of sound mind and that's just who they are as an individual.

His words have weight because he's spouting nazi rhetoric towards a group of people that don't deserve to be labeled as what he's labeling them as. It has nothing to do with me. I'm just sympathetic towards the people this is having a serious effect on and I think most people that give a damn about people in general feel the same way.  To sit back and do or say nothing normalizes the behavior and gives off the impression that it's ok. That's what I meant towards your feeling on it. I'm pretty certain you don't support this type of shit but you're also doing a pretty good job at making it seem like it isn't as big of an issue as it is.

[Lucem Ferre]

I get that the way Kanye turned out is a huge disappointment, but the only thing to blame for that is Kanye himself.

[Key]

I get that the way Kanye turned out is a huge disappointment, but the only thing to blame for that is Kanye himself.

There honestly was a time before all this happened that I did think it'd be interesting to sit down and talk with Kanye and ask him about his creative process etc. He genuinely seemed like an interesting dude but unfortunately that ship has sailed.