cis male is a slur

[Jwb]

You can say that but the reason they get used by the right is because the left has absolutely no use for their story.

[Lexi Darling]

You can say that but the reason they get used by the right is because the left has absolutely no use for their story.

I dunno, i personally don't see many "left" people saying anything bad about detransitioners other than that they are doing a shitty thing by allying with the right against trans rights. Maybe I'm not terminally online enough, the only social media I use where that would come up is various trans discords, so maybe on other sites? I dunno I've just not really seen what you're talking about.

[Jwb]

I didn't say they were going around saying bad things about detransitioners.  I said the left has no use for their story. It doesn't fit their narrative.  So they were never going to try to highlight anything that can be perceived as a negative externality of the current gender care.  Which detransitioners inherently are. 

[degrassi.knoll]

These are not just online issues,

I dunno, i personally don't see many "left" people saying anything bad about detransitioners other than that they are doing a shitty thing by allying with the right against trans rights. Maybe I'm not terminally online enough, the only social media I use where that would come up is various trans discords, so maybe on other sites? I dunno I've just not really seen what you're talking about.

These are definitely things I see examples of irl in various queer communities in the SF Bay Area both micro- and macro-cosmically. It's certainly not a uniquely online issue.

[Lexi Darling]

I didn't say they were going around saying bad things about detransitioners.  I said the left has no use for their story. It doesn't fit their narrative.  So they were never going to try to highlight anything that can be perceived as a negative externality of the current gender care.  Which detransitioners inherently are. 

Well I dunno then, I guess I'm not "the left" because if someone is struggling with gender issues, the last thing I'm thinking of with regards to having sympathy for them is "does this person fit our narrative". That's not how I think about other people. You can detransition and have a conversation about these issues without making it an "us vs. them" thing.

I will happily have a conversation about this with any detransitioner, but when the right wing and the prospect of banning trans healthcare get involved, it's not a matter of "not valuing the detransitioners' story" anymore.

[degrassi.knoll]

I didn't say they were going around saying bad things about detransitioners.  I said the left has no use for their story. It doesn't fit their narrative.  So they were never going to try to highlight anything that can be perceived as a negative externality of the current gender care.  Which detransitioners inherently are. 

Or you get excommunicated/ostracized from the same queer communities that purport to be radically inclusive.

[Nimbly9]

He's just pro science and technology for everything if you haven't noticed by now.

The whole reverse aging topic that came up in the past.

And I made some great points on those posts too.  If I had a Greatest Hits album I'd include them.

[DJChameleon]

And I made some great points on those posts too.  If I had a Greatest Hits album I'd include them.

I was just stating an obvious fact. I love science and technology in general. Certain things just aren't at that point yet but I know soon.

[jadis]

I like how it's "the 99 percent of successful happy trans people" vs "a sliver of detransitioners"... One of the problems with that British gender clinic that got shut down was that they struggled with gathering data for various reasons. That was the case in the most centralized health service in the developed world. Following a comprehensive inquiry, it emerged that the proportion of those who were unhappy was not exactly a sliver.

I wonder whether the private clinics in the US do a better or worse job at collecting and reporting data... 

[Lexi Darling]

Welp, it's been nice knowing you all.

https://www.them.us/story/kosa-senator-blackburn-censor-trans-content

[Nimbly9]

Biden supporta that bill too.  #mindblown

[jadis]

If you go to the journalist's byline, the article they wrote after this one is just complaining about Shane Gillis having a hit Netflix special lol

[Guybrush]

Welp, it's been nice knowing you all.

https://www.them.us/story/kosa-senator-blackburn-censor-trans-content

Yikes. I got curious about the bill and read the Wikipedia article on it. At first the goal seems innocent enough, to protect children from harm in social media.

Senator Blackburn, co-author of the bill, has argued that some education about racism and the civil rights movement overlaps with critical race theory, which she labels a "dangerous ideology" that can inflict "mental and emotional damage" upon children.[14] She has also explicitly stated that the bill will be used to censor content involving the transgender community.[15] EFF columnist Jason Kelly states that in the framework provided by the bill, that KOSA could be used to censor education about racism in schools since it could be claimed that it impacts mental health.[16]

The word harm is not very specific.

I'd wanna use it to protect children against things like religious indoctrination. These guys thinks of critical race theory and transgender content.

Shouldn't legislation be more concise? It does make it look like another unfortunate strategic move in the cultural war you got going on.

[jadis]

This is such a Portland story. If anyone thinks the homeless guys in NYC are intimidating they should spend a week in Portland among the methheads, the casual violence in on a completely another level. 

Portland trans activist 'destroyed and defecated inside teen girl's car over 'transphobia' claims: Car towed away because it was considered a 'biohazard'


Also Vivien Shemansky is a hall of fame name for a trans cutie

[Guybrush]

You know, @jadis. A lot of people do fucked up shit. There's drugged up violence, poo shenanigans and murder happening in every major US city every day. Elsewhere too.

But if it just so happens the perpetrator is trans or described in any such way, you're sure to take notice because I get the impression you're googling for it every day. Nevermind that atrocities, often worse, are committed by all sorts of people, most of them not trans.

I find it offensive. I mean what if you regularly reported on crime, but only if it was specifically perpetrated by someone described as black. Maybe you'd think that was a little off?

Your repeated reporting on "trans crimes" is off and, I'd think, hurtful to some of our members.