can we please admit that wokeness has become insanity

[Toy Revolver]

They are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.

they're olive colored with kinky black hair and have north african blood - greeks to me arent white either

[jimmy jazz]

They are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.

they're olive colored with kinky black hair and have north african blood - greeks to me arent white either

They're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.

[The Batlord]

First time I've been here since giving Tore the finger in PMs out of curiosity and looking at this thread I was laughing at Tore and TH's complete inability to deal with some random neo-Nazi's lazy anti-woke rhetoric only to find out that neo-Nazi was OH. Like, ITT he started out supporting Desantis against the woke mob even though he spent the whole early pandemic calling him "Deathsantis" for his treatment of the virus. You are all rubes.

[Guybrush]

^Okay

They're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.

As a white european, I'd say that although you could mostly find any variation anywhere, it's not one homogenous soup. Anyone looking at me and my old supervisor from uni could probably tell that I was a scandinavian of some kind (blonde, sickly pale) and that she, as a Spanish woman, was from somewhere close to the mediterranean (dark haired, darker skin).

Since no humans are neither white nor black, it's obviously an extremely simplified description of reality.

[Trollheart]

Welcome back Tore! Hope you had a good break. We've done a decent job putting the place back together, don't you think? You'd never even know there was a blazing, out-of control fire and a major rio - uh, no, nothing, nothing at all happened. Of course. Nothing. At all.

As for Italian = white, well, considering Columbus was the one who (large cough) discovered America, and is  considered a white European, I'd say sure, Italians are definitely white. I mean, nobody is actually white (other than albinos), but put an Italian beside an Englishman, I wouldn't think the differences would be glaringly obvious. Put a Native American beside an Englishman and you'd easily know, mostly from the way the latter would nick the country of the former.

[jimmy jazz]

^Okay

They're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.

As a white european, I'd say that although you could mostly find any variation anywhere, it's not one homogenous soup. Anyone looking at me and my old supervisor from uni could probably tell that I was a scandinavian of some kind (blonde, sickly pale) and that she, as a Spanish woman, was from somewhere close to the mediterranean (dark haired, darker skin).

Since no humans are neither white nor black, it's obviously an extremely simplified description of reality.

Of course but it is negligible, most Irish people have dark hair as well but people (Americans) think they're all ginger and wouldn't say they aren't white  , and white people do tan when they're in the sun, of course they'll be a little bit darker near the Med than they would be in the Scottish Highlands, that would also be the case for the pastiest, most ginger Glaswegian you could find

[Guybrush]

Of course but it is negligible, most Irish people have dark hair as well but people (Americans) think they're all ginger and wouldn't say they aren't white  , and white people do tan when they're in the sun, of course they'll be a little bit darker near the Med than they would be in the Scottish Highlands, that would also be the case for the pastiest, most ginger Glaswegian you could find

I agree it's negligible and I also think of people of Italian ethnicity as some flavor of white 🙂

[Toy Revolver]

They are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.

they're olive colored with kinky black hair and have north african blood - greeks to me arent white either

They're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.

i watched every season of the sopranos and all three godfathers and an italian kid beat me up when i was a kid

[Trollheart]

Since we're talking about flavours, aren't some of them (drum roll) Neapolitan? 

[jimmy jazz]

Oh good heavens.

[Nimbly9]

Performative wokeness is definitely a problem in secular society as a whole, but not all of it is insincere. The issue is that most vocal proponents of CRT's current bastardized incarnation tend to indulge in hyperbolic and hypocritical behavior that hurts their credibility and the credibility of the causes they fight for.  They're the flipside of the super religious far-right in a sense.

The biggest story that comes to mind for me about this kinda topic was that big case around Alden Bunag over in Hawaii.  He was uber-left wing and a highly regarded teacher who was really passionate about equity and progressive ideas in the classroom, but he would get on Twitter and rant about conservatives in a way some of you would consider to be fairly stereotypical.  Ironically however, he ended up getting nailed by the FBI for uhm..."bad" activities with underage male children in his class.

The best thing to do is advocate for the causes you care about and don't be Joe Biden on the 2020 campaign trail claiming that Lewis Latimer invented the lightbulb to large African-American audiences.  Compared to that kind of stuff, DeSantis cracking down on dubious material (often with sexually explicit content) that shouldn't be in school libraries is a non-issue.  The reason he's winning the culture wars is because we have Libs Of Tiktok and others meticulously documenting enough nuttiness on the left side of the political spectrum to get neutral / swing voters motivated enough to vote against those people.  It's already picking up steam and could snowball into the 2024 elections.

[Toy Revolver]

Compared to that kind of stuff, DeSantis cracking down on dubious material (often with sexually explicit content) that shouldn't be in school libraries is a non-issue.

they've banned any book that normalizes any kind of love outside heterosexual love

three examples without sexually explicit content are:

"All Boys Aren't Blue," "And Tango Makes Three" and "When Aidan Became a Brother"



DeSantis is aggressively targeting the LGBTQ to incite hate to fuel his campaign and even with my deep frustration with woke nonsense from the left it's not remotely the same as what DeSantis is doing. DeSantis is intentionally making Florida unsafe for LGBTQ and he's setting the stage to push his hate agenda much further. Let's not get this twisted.

[Lexi Darling]

Referring to that transphobic hate account's behavior as "documenting nuttiness" is quite a disrespectful thing to say.

[Nimbly9]

You don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives is worth highlighting? If it's happening, then it's newsworthy, no? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.

Compared to that kind of stuff, DeSantis cracking down on dubious material (often with sexually explicit content) that shouldn't be in school libraries is a non-issue.

they've banned any book that normalizes any kind of love outside heterosexual love

three examples without sexually explicit content are:

"All Boys Aren't Blue," "And Tango Makes Three" and "When Aidan Became a Brother"



DeSantis is aggressively targeting the LGBTQ to incite hate to fuel his campaign and even with my deep frustration with woke nonsense from the left it's not remotely the same as what DeSantis is doing. DeSantis is intentionally making Florida unsafe for LGBTQ and he's setting the stage to push his hate agenda much further. Let's not get this twisted.

Twisted? It doesn't even appear like the language of the laws have been settled.  I wouldn't jump the gun and say books are being permanently banned when the guidelines are as vague as they are right now.  The only thing that appears to be settled based on some Feb 2023 articles I checked out appears to be language related to sexual acts or "extreme violence" for 3rd graders and below.

Not saying you couldn't be proven right, but I have a wait-and-see attitude about it since so much of it seems up in the air.

[Lexi Darling]

You don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives isn't worth highlighting?  A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.

No. I think people should mind their own business, actually. Also you and I both know exactly what other things this account has "highlighted" so please cease with this bad faith engagement.