The Perceived Right to Revenge Through Murder

[Lexi Darling]

I think it's fallacious to even frame this as right vs. left, it's rich vs. poor, powerful vs. powerless. As DJ and I have pointed out, it's not just the left who support Mangione.

Tristan uses they/she pronouns btw.

[Buck_Mulligan]

While the US health system is far from perfect, it seems the insurance cos are not the biggest financial culprit. I did a quick comparison on Charles Schawb of United Health Group, and Hospital Corporation of America, the biggest in each sector of the healthcare industry. United's net profit margin is 3.5%, Hospital's is three times larger at 10.5%.
I visit five specialist doctors on a regular quarterly basis and I know they bill my insurance much more than my primary care physician does. So there's plenty of blame to go around.

[jimmy jazz]

I'm not talking only about this one incident. And framing it as power vs powerless is an attempt to justify the sort of behaviour I'm talking about.

[tristan_geoff]

I'm not going to engage in this tomfoolery any longer.  I suggest you read about politics somewhere other than Infowars?

[Buck_Mulligan]

A recent poll of 1000 people by Emerson College found that overall 68% disapproved of the shooting. In the 18-29 age group 24% said they "somewhat" approved, and a further 17% said they definitely approved.

[jimmy jazz]

I'm not going to engage in this tomfoolery any longer.  I suggest you read about politics somewhere other than Infowars?

I'm British. I don't read Infowars.

[Weekender]

Fuck a healthcare CEO. Finally something the right and left can agree on in America.

[Weekender]

Any principled case for non-violence should consider all types of violence including systemic and cultural.

For example, condemning political violence in apartheid Africa would ring hollow if you did not accompany it with a call to end segregation.

I do not mean to compare this rich madman to oppressed Africans. Only to say it is not a position of peace when you only condemn acts of direct violence. The healthcare system we have is violent.

[DJChameleon]

I've already said why. I already know people on the right will do bad shit as well. But the right will condemn it. The left don't, they believe they're entitled to behave in certain ways. Look at this thread. We've got two people calling for more killings and justifying it because they think they're the good guys. You wouldn't get it the other way round.

It's not biased. Plenty of criticism of the right has been posted on here. There are legitimate criticisms of the left as well. And I mention it because I've seen a big part of why the Tories were able to constantly keep winning elections was because of the way the left behaved over here.

Just like you claim that the right condemns the bad stuff there are people on the right that don't. There are people on the left that condemn the bad stuff that people on the left let slide. It's the same on both sides. You are just wanting to view it under a specific scope to prove some point that doesn't exist.

It's a bipartisan support for what has happened mostly from younger folks but the older people on the left condemn it across the board.

You keep saying it's more than just this issue but if you have really looked at the bigger picture or even read anything that SGR said in his long post. You'd realize that the mainstream media has been pushing that same message about humanizing a father has passed away without even acknowledging all the lives that have been lost while he has been in his role.

While the US health system is far from perfect, it seems the insurance cos are not the biggest financial culprit. I did a quick comparison on Charles Schawb of United Health Group, and Hospital Corporation of America, the biggest in each sector of the healthcare industry. United's net profit margin is 3.5%, Hospital's is three times larger at 10.5%.
I visit five specialist doctors on a regular quarterly basis and I know they bill my insurance much more than my primary care physician does. So there's plenty of blame to go around.

United Health Group has the largest percentage of claim denials though.

[jimmy jazz]

Just like you claim that the right condemns the bad stuff there are people on the right that don't. There are people on the left that condemn the bad stuff that people on the left let slide. It's the same on both sides. You are just wanting to view it under a specific scope to prove some point that doesn't exist.

It's a bipartisan support for what has happened mostly from younger folks but the older people on the left condemn it across the board.

I know some will condemn it but not nearly enough. It is absolutely not the same, you just don't see the same behaviour on the right and if you think otherwise you're not being honest with yourself. There's always an excuse as to why it's different.

Do you think there are no legit criticisms of the left? Do you think the left is perfect? I've seen you criticise the right plenty of times, you need to accept that maybe the left has it's own faults as well.

You keep saying it's more than just this issue but if you have really looked at the bigger picture or even read anything that SGR said in his long post. You'd realize that the mainstream media has been pushing that same message about humanizing a father has passed away without even acknowledging all the lives that have been lost while he has been in his role.

You can condemn the killing and also criticise the health industry.

[Weekender]

You can condemn the killing and also criticise the health industry.

Sure, but it's a very liberal position. It's not the left that's championing this guy, it's Americans excluding the establishment Republicans and Democrats.

[DJChameleon]

I know some will condemn it but not nearly enough. It is absolutely not the same, you just don't see the same behaviour on the right and if you think otherwise you're not being honest with yourself. There's always an excuse as to why it's different.

Do you think there are no legit criticisms of the left? Do you think the left is perfect? I've seen you criticise the right plenty of times, you need to accept that maybe the left has it's own faults as well.

You are being completely disingenuous and lying to yourself if you think the right always condemns this stuff.
You've only seen me critize the right because that's what you choose to see. I've criticized the left as well. I critize establishment Democrats all the time.

You can condemn the killing and also criticise the health industry.

Just like Chris Rock said yeah it's sad that a guy died but no one cares when a drug dealer dies like oh well so what. I don't and many others don't have to sympathize with his death especially in the face of the what he has done within the health care system and the numerous lives that have been lost. I'm not going to care about one guy over the lives of many that he's been involved with killing.

I don't know why you think we should sympathize with a serial killer essentially.

[Weekender]

There's a reasonable argument against any murder. Conservatives posturing like they're Tolstoy ain't it though.

[jimmy jazz]

You are being completely disingenuous and lying to yourself if you think the right always condemns this stuff.

This whole post is full of shit I didn't say.