The Perceived Right to Revenge Through Murder

[jimmy jazz]

I'm not talking about this issue on it's own. I'm pointing out a trend I've noticed repeatedly, over and over again. The left justify their actions by claiming they are somehow 'punching up' and how they're doing it for the right reasons.

You mention Jan 6th. Again, plenty on the right actually condemned that.

[tristan_geoff]

read a book

[DJChameleon]

Something that we haven't discussed is the fact that they want to bring up terrorism charges against Luigi and it's super clear why. They want to send the message that the poor peons shouldn't mess with the upper class and to attempt to deter copycats instead of dealing with the issues that caused the murder in the first place. Enacting changes to a broken system that will of course take time.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/luigi-mangione-indicted-first-degree-murder-charge-grand-jury-unitedhe-rcna184313

SGR touched a little bit on the point that his murderous actions won't change anything but it did in fact change one thing so far. Another insurance company changed a bad policy where they would stop paying for anesthesia if your surgery goes on for too long. They ended up reversing that policy decision while they were shuffling to take down pictures of upper management off of their website. They are starting to realize that you can't constantly have your boot pressed on the necks of the lower class forever without resistance. Peaceful protesting is easy to ignore. It takes violence to enact real change. This is what history tells us look at the French revolution for example.

[jimmy jazz]

Something that we haven't discussed is the fact that they want to bring up terrorism charges against Luigi and it's super clear why. They want to send the message that the poor peons shouldn't mess with the upper class and to attempt to deter copycats instead of dealing with the issues that caused the murder in the first place.

Or because it's terrorism.

Not sure what difference it'd make to any potential murderers anyway. Anyone doing the same will go to prison for life regardless. An extra charge isn't going to deter anyone.

[tristan_geoff]

[tristan_geoff]

Or because it's terrorism.

Not sure what difference it'd make to any potential murderers anyway. Anyone doing the same will go to prison for life regardless. An extra charge isn't going to deter anyone.

right, because murder is only ok if you have money and status.

[tristan_geoff]

I need everyone that feels sad that the CEO got killed to email someone in American congress about the recent school shooting in Madison, Wisconsin.

[DJChameleon]

Or because it's terrorism.

Not sure what difference it'd make to any potential murderers anyway. Anyone doing the same will go to prison for life regardless. An extra charge isn't going to deter anyone.

How is a regular murder terrorism?

None of the school shooters that occur on a regular basis has ever been charged with terrorism.

If more CEOs were murdered I'm sure gun laws would be changed pronto but in the mean time it's thoughts and prayers.

[jimmy jazz]

right, because murder is only ok if you have money and status.

Murder isn't OK at all.

How is a regular murder terrorism?

None of the school shooters that occur on a regular basis has ever been charged with terrorism.

If more CEOs were murdered I'm sure gun laws would be changed pronto but in the mean time it's thoughts and prayers.

Its politically motivated therefore it's terrorism.

I like how you and Tristan continue to prove my point about the left.

[Lexi Darling]

I think it comes off as very biased to say the left 'believe they can do bad things and be justified because they believe they're the good guys', everyone thinks they're the good guys. And as a trans person who used to be on Twitter, condoning violence is absolutely not an uncommon sentiment on the right, I've been told to 'become a statistic', or that some chud would beat me to a pulp if I used a women's bathroom and so many other vile things by countless accounts for years. Why are you so willing to believe that these are total outliers on the right? January 6th, Charlottesville, Trump directly addressing the Proud Boys, while maybe violent far-righters are not the majority of republican voters, I also don't think the marxist/anarchist/far left types who praise Mangione's actions as some kind of precursor to a bloody revolution are the majority of the left either. The overwhelming sentiment I've seen online (from both sides) has been "I don't support murdering people but I understand why he did it".

I don't know why you're carrying all this water for the right at a time when the policymakers they vote for and support are the ones currently enabling state sanctioned violence against pregnant women and trans people via denials of healthcare. Huge right wing influencer figures like Matt Walsh and Chaya Raichik are emboldening stochastic terrorism against marginalized people by vilifying and dehumanizing them; someone tried to bomb a children's hospital because they happened to provide gender affirming care. Violence and murder come in many forms besides shootings, and I don't think the view that violence by 'the good guys' is justified is as fringe on the right as you think it is, considering the right just elected Mr. "Bloodbath" himself.

[jimmy jazz]

I've already said why. I already know people on the right will do bad shit as well. But the right will condemn it. The left don't, they believe they're entitled to behave in certain ways. Look at this thread. We've got two people calling for more killings and justifying it because they think they're the good guys. You wouldn't get it the other way round.

It's not biased. Plenty of criticism of the right has been posted on here. There are legitimate criticisms of the left as well. And I mention it because I've seen a big part of why the Tories were able to constantly keep winning elections was because of the way the left behaved over here.

[tristan_geoff]

Your "points" exist in a vacuum where the far right doesn't equal totalitarianism.  Let nazis rule the world, ok.  Lots of people are fighting for theirs and others lives on the left, while the right is fighting for political power.  That is the difference.

[jimmy jazz]

😂😂😂

[Lexi Darling]

The right won't condemn it, they'll say they do and then do absolutely nothing to prevent it, "thoughts and prayers" etc. Actions speak louder than words.

And like, the right lie a lot lol. Trump lies about damn near everything. "They said they condemn violence" means nothing coming from a party who enthusiastically support charlatans like Trump.

And why is it so comical to you that Tristan called the far right totalitarian lol. Nazis are far right, that's just a fact lol. I dunno why your response is to laugh hysterically at Tristan's statement, as if it were such a crazy notion that the right (the party for tax cuts for the rich and against universal healthcare) would prioritize money, power and the preservation thereof over the lives of the poor and marginalized who are struggling.

Anyway I'm going to argue on this anymore. I've made the points I wanted to, make of them what you will.

[jimmy jazz]

We were talking about the right not Nazis. And they proved my point again. 'The difference is we're fighting for our lives'.

So you think it's OK when you do it. As I've been saying.