Support Thread for Marginalized Groups in the US

[degrassiknoll]

What you do doesn't make a difference to me one way or another, I'm not here to make moral judgements. That's why I posted about white people, not you. You don't have to justify anything just like I shouldn't have to justify adding my voice to the conversation.

I work with trans and undocumented youth every day.I understand the fear and the concern. I understand the threat and the policy implications. I care a lot. A lot of my work is unpacking things like white privilege and social constructs and to hear about what it's like for undocumented youth fearing they and their parents are about to be separated hearing about how the kids of the Pink Pussy Hat Ladies are sick of this country and presume they belong everywhere.

It's all real and important. It's not mean just because it's uncomfortable.

I'm this insufferable in person too.

[Lexi Darling]

I understand. You made valid points and I appreciate you adding your voice.

[DJChameleon]

People that are undocumented are choosing to leave before having to be caught off guard and rounded up into those camps that have terrible conditions. Anecdotal but a friend of mines is sadden by the fact that a good chunk of her extended family is currently in the process of leaving and she won't be able to see them as normally as she used to.

[degrassiknoll]

People that are undocumented are choosing to leave before having to be caught off guard and rounded up into those camps that have terrible conditions. Anecdotal but a friend of mines is sadden by the fact that a good chunk of her extended family is currently in the process of leaving and she won't be able to see them as normally as she used to.

But leaving where? Back to the place they tried to leave in the first place?

[DJChameleon]

But leaving where? Back to the place they tried to leave in the first place?

I don't know the specific details of their escape plan. All I know is they are working out the details to leave who knows where they are going especially since they have been in the states for over a decade.

[degrassiknoll]

Right so not the same thing as white people trying to flee to predominantly white countries.

[DJChameleon]

I was not comparing the two groups with my example. I wasn't trying to say they were the same.

Ellen Degenres and her wife fleed to the UK after the election. Celebrities say they are going to do it after every election and only a very minor few actually follow through

[tristan_geoff]

I'm going to attempt to leave the country because it's legally and medically precarious for me to be here and because I have connections to Australia; my sister is a citizen there, so I could apply for a family visa, and my husband is skilled and more likely to be eligible for a work visa if that would be quicker or easier.

I don't want to play oppression Olympics here, I recognize that I have a great degree of comparative privilege, which I pointed out in my post. There exist some potential opportunities to leave the country that we might be eligible for, so we're going to be investigating them. My phrasing probably did come off as alarmist and undermining of those who don't have the opportunities and resources afforded to me by my privilege. This household has decided to pursue those opportunities as soon as we are able in the event that things get way worse for people like me in the US (which this EO could very easily lay the groundwork for) and I feel confident in that decision. It is very much a preemptive move, and one my sister, my husband and I have been in regular contact talking about for a couple months before this EO even happened.

You are free to think it's an overreaction, I understand. I agree that my wording on the subject of leaving the country was overly dramatic. It's hard for me to not to be overwhelmed with emotion sometimes when writing posts. I'm sure it made me come off as a bougie bitch. That is a recurrent character flaw of mine and I probably should have just shut my mouth about the plan to leave.

TH, I appreciate you going to bat for me. I do want to make it clear that I understand where Degrassi is coming from and that I have no ill feelings toward her pointing out what she did.

i dont think degrassi is shaming you for it at all reading this, only pointing out that you do benefit from white privelage.  doesn't mean that you aren't oppressed for lack of other types of privelege and that moving doesn't make sense, just to look at it in those terms.  tl;dr don't not move, you can feel what you do about it, but recognize that others aren't so lucky all the same

[tristan_geoff]

What you do doesn't make a difference to me one way or another, I'm not here to make moral judgements. That's why I posted about white people, not you. You don't have to justify anything just like I shouldn't have to justify adding my voice to the conversation.

I work with trans and undocumented youth every day.I understand the fear and the concern. I understand the threat and the policy implications. I care a lot. A lot of my work is unpacking things like white privilege and social constructs and to hear about what it's like for undocumented youth fearing they and their parents are about to be separated hearing about how the kids of the Pink Pussy Hat Ladies are sick of this country and presume they belong everywhere.

It's all real and important. It's not mean just because it's uncomfortable.

I'm this insufferable in person too.

doesn't seem insufferable so much as realistic.  i think that people just have a lack of reality and meaning in their daily lives and mostly have popcorn conversations.  quite simply most people don't feel enough.  I've been in the process of waking up but I'm right there too.

I sentence Trollheart to 5 years of mutual aid work

[tristan_geoff]

I said we, including me. What I mean is, anyone who is straight has not got a clue what people like Lexi and others are facing. I still don't understand - unless I misread or misunderstood - your comment on "white people"? I imagine Lexi is white but that really doesn't come into it; it's the Trump administration's intended denial of her human rights to be who she wants to be that's spurring her departure, so her colour doesn't matter.

If I got your comment wrong, please do set me straight, because this isn't the sort of thing I expect to read from you. You're normally very supportive of "minorities" so I do think I misread something.

You can benefit from one type of privelege while being oppressed for lack of another.  Being white doesn't mean you're automatically in charge of your destiny but it does mean that one does have certain priveleges that non-white people lack bc of the system.  this is basic knowledge, I think you should read a bit into real social justice topics before getting offended bc of misunderstanding what you're talking about.

btw I thought we left the anti-SJW sentiments behind midway during Trump's first presidency.  Blue hair and pronouns are fine actually.

[DJChameleon]

Yeah what Tristan is describing is intersectionality

[Lucem Ferre]

i dont think degrassi is shaming you for it at all reading this, only pointing out that you do benefit from white privelage.  doesn't mean that you aren't oppressed for lack of other types of privelege and that moving doesn't make sense, just to look at it in those terms.  tl;dr don't not move, you can feel what you do about it, but recognize that others aren't so lucky all the same

Why is it always white people talking about fleeing the country? Smdh.


Viva la révolution, coños. There are so many people with less doing more.

...okay.

[degrassiknoll]

I literally referred to white people that do this because Lexi reminded me of the phenomenon. It wasn't pointed. If I wanted to say something to her directly, I would have. Stop looking for ill intent.

[Lucem Ferre]

I literally referred to white people that do this because Lexi reminded me of the phenomenon. It wasn't pointed. If I wanted to say something to her directly, I would have. Stop looking for ill intent.

...okay.

[degrassiknoll]

Right but I'm the troll.