Trump Redux: The Death of Democracy, or Overblown Hyperbole?

[DJChameleon]

Yep noticed this myself. There is a generation of people who are becoming very unsympathetic to Jewish people (putting it mildly) and it's just gone through the roof since October 7th 2023. Maybe TikTok is full of shit and they're getting it from there, regardless I see enough of it on Twitter.

People aren't being unsympathetic towards Jewish people. They are unsympathetic towards Zionists and Pro Israel government sympathizers that are so blinded by their hate of Palestinian civilians that they don't care about areas of Gaza being raized to the ground.

[Trollheart]

Two interesting articles about US debt to China:

https://theconversation.com/u-s-national-debt-is-its-achilles-heel-but-china-sees-it-as-an-opportunity-239712

https://www.uschina.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Trade-Facts-Debt.pdf

The main takeaway from the first one is that China is trying to supplant the dollar as the world's favourite currency, and the second one talks about how it's in China's interest, with so much debt owed them by the US, for America to succeed. Both make good points, and are not a very long read at all.

[Marie Monday]

People aren't being unsympathetic towards Jewish people. They are unsympathetic towards Zionists and Pro Israel government sympathizers that are so blinded by their hate of Palestinian civilians that they don't care about areas of Gaza being raized to the ground.

you should really stop being so naive about this. Those statistics about holocaust denial should tell you enough
(and no, I'm not denying that there are also many people who only object to zionism and are fine with jews)

[Weekender]

People aren't being unsympathetic towards Jewish people. They are unsympathetic towards Zionists and Pro Israel government sympathizers that are so blinded by their hate of Palestinian civilians that they don't care about areas of Gaza being raized to the ground.

I disagree. There is quite a lot of anti-semitism finding safe harbor in the left, where it should be loudly condemned. The whole Israel-Palestine issue is perilous for this reason.

[DJChameleon]

I disagree. There is quite a lot of anti-semitism finding safe harbor in the left, where it should be loudly condemned. The whole Israel-Palestine issue is perilous for this reason.

That's such a bullshit message from the right that anti semitism is running wild on the left. It clearly isn't.

Anti semitism is coming from the far right and that's why that poll backs it up. It's from the MAGA movement. There are plenty of Jewish leaders that support the ceasefire movement and Free Palestinian movement.

[jimmy jazz]

That's such a bullshit message from the right that anti semitism is running wild on the left. It clearly isn't.

Anti semitism is coming from the far right and that's why that poll backs it up. It's from the MAGA movement. There are plenty of Jewish leaders that support the ceasefire movement and Free Palestinian movement.

You can want a ceasefire and criticise Zionism without being antisemitic so that is bollocks. I'm talking about literal hatred of Jews.

I've seen plenty of accounts shitting on Jews with Palestine flags and the like all over their profiles. The far right ones have always been there. Since Oct 7th there are a lot of left wing young people who are becoming hostile toward Jews. You're also obviously unaware of the antisemitism that exists in the Muslim community or the debacles with the Labour Party over here. These people aren't MAGA.

You're doing that thing again where the left refuses to condemn their own shit behaviour and then blames the right. It's boring.

Antisemitism is one of the things the extreme right and extreme left have in common.

[degrassiknoll]

You can want a ceasefire and criticise Zionism without being antisemitic so that is bollocks. I'm talking about literal hatred of Jews.

I've seen plenty of accounts shitting on Jews with Palestine flags and the like all over their profiles. The far right ones have always been there. Since Oct 7th there are a lot of left wing young people who are becoming hostile toward Jews. You're also obviously unaware of the antisemitism that exists in the Muslim community or the debacles with the Labour Party over here. These people aren't MAGA.

You're doing that thing again where the left refuses to condemn their own shit behaviour and then blames the right. It's boring.

Antisemitism is one of the things the extreme right and extreme left have in common.

Yep.

[Lucem Ferre]

People aren't being unsympathetic towards Jewish people. They are unsympathetic towards Zionists and Pro Israel government sympathizers that are so blinded by their hate of Palestinian civilians that they don't care about areas of Gaza being raized to the ground.

No, a lot of people have exploited Israel/Palestine to push antisemitism. It was already on the rise before, but since it definitely got worse. I personally have not seen it on the "left" and I've seen many many leftists tell people to fuck off when saying antisemitic things. But that's just me. I probably just don't associate much with opportunist shit heads.

At the same time I've also seen a rise of Islamaphobia with the main difference being that everybody generally sees the antisemitism as unacceptable compared to the anti-arab sentiments that never left the US since 9/11.

[DJChameleon]

No, a lot of people have exploited Israel/Palestine to push antisemitism. It was already on the rise before, but since it definitely got worse. I personally have not seen it on the "left" and I've seen many many leftists tell people to fuck off when saying antisemitic things. But that's just me. I probably just don't associate much with opportunist shit heads.

At the same time I've also seen a rise of Islamaphobia with the main difference being that everybody generally sees the antisemitism as unacceptable compared to the anti-arab sentiments that never left the US since 9/11.

All I've personally seen is the Islamophobia and more more so than antisemitism.

You can want a ceasefire and criticise Zionism without being antisemitic so that is bollocks. I'm talking about literal hatred of Jews.

I've seen plenty of accounts shitting on Jews with Palestine flags and the like all over their profiles. The far right ones have always been there. Since Oct 7th there are a lot of left wing young people who are becoming hostile toward Jews. You're also obviously unaware of the antisemitism that exists in the Muslim community or the debacles with the Labour Party over here. These people aren't MAGA.

You're doing that thing again where the left refuses to condemn their own shit behaviour and then blames the right. It's boring.

Antisemitism is one of the things the extreme right and extreme left have in common.

See this is a case of you seeing different things across the pond and seeing more antisemitism and bad behavior than in the states. In the states the politicians try to make it seem like antisemitism is on the rise but it's not. There are rare cases here and there and I condemn them but there are way more cases in the states especially in NY of Islamphobia but people with your opinion blatantly ignore it. Your side doesnt condemn Islamphobia at all. I've gone to many ceasefire protests with the young people at colleges where we have had Jewish leaders from the community speak at and speak out about the atrocities from the Israeli government. I haven't seen this antisemitism from young people. It has nothing to do with the actual Jewish people. Just because I haven't seen it though I can recognize and say it might be happening but I just haven't seen in it in the states at all the actions that I've been to. It sounds like propaganda tbh.

[degrassiknoll]

Definitely on the rise on the west coast.

[Marie Monday]

All I've personally seen is the Islamophobia and more more so than antisemitism.

'I stick my head in the sand so I don't see anything; therefore it's not there' -DJ
This seems like wilful ignorance, especially given your readiness to recognise other forms of discrimination (protesting against which is more in fashion)

[DJChameleon]

'I stick my head in the sand so I don't see anything; therefore it's not there' -DJ
This seems like wilful ignorance, especially given your readiness to recognise other forms of discrimination (protesting against which is more in fashion)

Yes take the beginning of that quote for your argument without reading the rest of the statement directly afterwards. So fucking disingenuous to take selective part of that and isolate it.  I'm not going to argue with you Zionists.

[jimmy jazz]

I'm not going to argue with you Zionists.

Bloody hell 😂

[Lucem Ferre]

They're not being Zionists...

The rise of both antisemitism & islamaphobia are provable phenomenon based on hate crime data.

They're not portraying pro-palestinians as antisemitic. They're just saying some of that does exist and you can't deny that. It's just the reality of the situation. When things like this happen reactionary forces tend to take hold even in progressive circles. It doesn't debunk or dismiss the movement, though.

[Trollheart]

News Alert: USAID workers at Washington HQ told to stay home on Monday in unexpected, early-morning email


The main office of the US Agency for International Development in Washington was unexpectedly closed Monday and workers were emailed shortly after midnight that they should not come in, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

"At the direction of Agency leadership, the USAID headquarters at the Ronald Reagan building in Washington, D.C. will be closed to Agency personnel on Monday, February 3, 2025. Agency personnel normally assigned to work at USAID headquarters will work remotely tomorrow, with the exception of personnel with essential on-site and building maintenance functions individually contacted by senior leadership," said the email, of which CNN has obtained a copy.

Tech entrepreneur Elon Musk said President Donald Trump has said USAID needs to be "shut down," following days of speculation over the future of the agency after its funding was frozen and dozens of its employees were put on leave.

Does this factor into aid for Gaza? Is that part of what's behind Musk's heartless intention of shutting down USAID?