Controversial music opinions

[Toy Revolver]

For some reason, I thought you'd heard most of it.

I've listened to every record (repeatedly), own most of them on CD, own all but 3 on vinyl - it's an incredibly rewarding discography and unlike some bands, they never have a point after which they massively 'fall' off, so to say. Definitely all worth hearing at least once.

My recent discography goal that I finally trekked through was Miles Davis - he has even more studio albums than The Fall believe it or not. And the quality is definitely more spotty.

i haven't systematically listened to every release in their discography but i should - i respect that you've spent so much time with them

ngl i used to be absolutely disgusted with some of miles' 80's releases but now i think they're good but not great

miles' rejection of the avant garde eventually hurt his artistic legacy unless you simply don't factor that stuff in and tbh i really don't-

i just look the other way kind of like you have to do with bob dylan

they're both very deferential to other musicians and sometimes at their own expense

dylan didn't gaf and miles was too arrogant to see it -

[Toy Revolver]

For some reason, I thought you'd heard most of it

i have listened to most of it btw

[Toy Revolver]

wow

if i do go on a fall expedition this summer i'll take this with me

that magazine has provided me with so much guidance

[jimmy jazz]

Eminem has great rapping skills but doesn't make good music.

[Janszoon]

Eminem has great rapping skills but doesn't make good music.

I like some of his music, but it's entirely dependent on who he's working with. Same as Snoop.

[jimmy jazz]

I like some of his music, but it's entirely dependent on who he's working with. Same as Snoop.

Which people do you think he works well with? Cos he's made a lot of crap music with Dr Dre imo (Eminem, not Snoop).

Snoop and the Neptunes were pretty good, other than the obvious Doggystyle.

[Janszoon]

Which people do you think he works well with? Cos he's made a lot of crap music with Dr Dre imo (Eminem, not Snoop).

Snoop and the Neptunes were pretty good, other than the obvious Doggystyle.

Just Dre I guess. To be honest, it's been like twenty years since I paid much attention to Eminem, but I did like The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP back in the day.

[SGR]

i haven't systematically listened to every release in their discography but i should - i respect that you've spent so much time with them

ngl i used to be absolutely disgusted with some of miles' 80's releases but now i think they're good but not great

miles' rejection of the avant garde eventually hurt his artistic legacy unless you simply don't factor that stuff in and tbh i really don't-

i just look the other way kind of like you have to do with bob dylan

they're both very deferential to other musicians and sometimes at their own expense

dylan didn't gaf and miles was too arrogant to see it -

Some of Miles later-era stuff are guilty pleasures of mine. For example, if I just need some background music that my mind can zone out to while I do some other task, Tutu actually is pretty good. There's also this track that I enjoy without guilt. It's just too smooth:

But yeah, by the end, it became difficult to tell if he was trying to chase trends (You're Under Arrest with covers of Michael Jackson and Cyndi Lauper) or was actually trying to innovate, but what was clear is that even until the end of his life, he was always willing to try something new - and I gotta say I respect that a lot.

[SGR]

wow

if i do go on a fall expedition this summer i'll take this with me

that magazine has provided me with so much guidance

If you want something really great to read alongside an exploration of their discography, check this book out that was released a year or so ago by Steve Pringle. I used to frequent a forum of Fall fans and he was a regular member. He actually signed my copy of the book. He used to have a blog called "You Must Get Them All" and he's essentially compiled that into a big fat book of Falldom. It covers every album, single, EP, lineup change, controversy, and it even tells you how many times each song was played live and when it was last played. It's hands-down the best book on The Fall I've ever read, and I've read a few (MES's biography, Brix's biography, 'The Fallen', etc.)

https://www.route-online.com/all-books/you-must-get-them-all

US Amazon link:
https://www.amazon.com/Book-9781901927900/dp/1901927903/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ZN2PPV9B4UTR&keywords=You+Must+Get+Them+All%3A+The+Fall+On+Record&qid=1684936807&sprefix=you+must+get+them+all+the+fall+on+record%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-1

[SGR]

Which people do you think he works well with? Cos he's made a lot of crap music with Dr Dre imo (Eminem, not Snoop).

Snoop and the Neptunes were pretty good, other than the obvious Doggystyle.

Snoop's time with No Limit was pretty spotty in terms of quality, but his last album with the label, Tha Last Meal is actually really underrated. The production was the primary reason. Unlike his two records, it's not all in-house label production efforts, they also brought in guys like Dre and Timbaland. This Timbaland beat still slaps:

[jimmy jazz]

Snoop's time with No Limit was pretty spotty in terms of quality, but his last album with the label, Tha Last Meal is actually really underrated. The production was the primary reason. Unlike his two records, it's not all in-house label production efforts, they also brought in guys like Dre and Timbaland. This Timbaland beat still slaps:

Had this tune in my head for the past day or two, was thinking about the music video with the big shoe in it.

Weird.

Yeah I bought the album when it came out mate. It was just average imo. Snoop has got quite a few great tunes, but lacks quality control over an entire album. Other than the obvious one.

[jimmy jazz]

Not worth it's own thread but Big L's lyrics weren't very woke were they?

Just listened to All Black

[Lexi Darling]

I do generally agree on Snoop's post-Doggystyle career. Plenty of great songs but very spotty on the whole. I do have a lot of nostalgia for his mid-aughts period when he was working with Pharrell a lot.

[Toy Revolver]

Not worth it's own thread but Big L's lyrics weren't very woke were they?

Just listened to All Black

his murder is still "unsolved"

the nypd killed him

every unsolved hip hop death was a cop and most of the ones they pretended to solve were also cops

[jimmy jazz]

Why would the NYPD kill him?