Quote from: Lucem Ferre on May 11, 2025, 10:11 PMStill ain't seen my kids
So here's another song
Free Peter Skully
He did nothing wrong
I may have an unpopular opinion here but I don't think they should censor this song or take it down.
Same tbh.
Sometimes you've got to let people expose themselves (not like that). Just let them show you who they are.
By censoring and taking it down it'll add fuel to his theory that he's being silenced by the Jews.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 11, 2025, 08:49 PMElon Musk sticks his nose into British politics and hasn't got a clue what he's on about. He was tweeting shit about Tommy Robinson being wrongfully imprisoned for exposing nonces. It was not true. He was just going along with the crowd.
When it comes to meddling in foreign elections, we (the USA) are some of the best of the best. That being said, there's been plenty of instances of the UK meddling in our elections as well (and when I refer to 'meddling', I don't necessarily mean anything illegal has been done, but rather simple influence campaigns). I'm reminded of a very humorous effort from the Guardian back in 2004 urging their readership to write letters to US voters to try and bolster support for John Kerry. Of course, the humor of it all was in the letters/e-mails that the Guardian received back from Americans with their thoughts on the effort (some of which were encouraging and thankful, but those weren't the funny ones):
Dear Limey assholes
"American responses to 2004 UK Guardian readership outreach effort"
QuoteHave you not noticed that Americans don't give two shits what Europeans think of us? Each email someone gets from some arrogant Brit telling us why to NOT vote for George Bush is going to backfire, you stupid, yellow-toothed pansies ... I don't give a rat's ass if our election is going to have an effect on your worthless little life. I really don't. If you want to have a meaningful election in your crappy little island full of shitty food and yellow teeth, then maybe you should try not to sell your sovereignty out to Brussels and Berlin, dipshit. Oh, yeah - and brush your goddamned teeth, you filthy animals.
Wading River, NY
QuoteKEEP YOUR FUCKIN' LIMEY HANDS OFF OUR ELECTION. HEY, SHITHEADS, REMEMBER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR? REMEMBER THE WAR OF 1812? WE DIDN'T WANT YOU, OR YOUR POLITICS HERE, THAT'S WHY WE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUT. FOR THE 47% OF YOU WHO DON'T WANT PRESIDENT BUSH, I SAY THIS ... TOUGH SHIT!
PROUD AMERICAN VOTING FOR BUSH!
QuoteReal Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with your own worthless corner of it.
Texas, USA
QuoteMy dear, beloved Brits,
I understand the Guardian is sponsoring a service where British citizens write to Americans to advise them on how to vote. Thank heavens! I was adrift in a sea of confusion and you are my beacon of hope!
Feel free to respond to this email with your advice. Please keep in mind that I am something of an anglophile, so this is not confrontational. Please remember, too, that I am merely an American. That means I am not very bright. It means I have no culture or sense of history. It also means that I am barely literate, so please don't use big, fancy words.
Set me straight, folks!
Dayton, Ohio
QuoteGentle folks at the Guardian,
In your plea to get your non-American readers to write to voters in Clark County, Iowa, you are correct that events in the US have had, and will have, effects on world events. For example, we have pulled your chestnuts out of the fire in two world wars that were occasioned by European diplomacy. Maybe you'd like a vote in which American president will oversee the next rescue. The next time you have elections in Great Britain, I shall endeavour to send names of your citizens to people in France, Iraq, India, the United Arab Emirates, Botswana, Pakistan, China and Argentina so that they may attempt to influence your election. It's only fair that everybody in the world should have a say in the selection of the prime minister.
QuoteWho in the hell do you think you are??? Well, I'll tell you, you're a bunch of meddling socialist pricks! Stay the hell out of our country and politics. And another thing, John Kerry is a worthless lying sack of crap so it doesn't surprise me that a socialist rag like yours would back him. I hope your cynical ploy blows up in your cowardly faces, you bunch of mealy-mouthed morons!
QuoteHey England, Scotland and Wales,
Mind your own business. We don't need weenie-spined Limeys meddling in our presidental election. If it wasn't for America, you'd all be speaking German. And if America would have had a president, then, of the likes of Kerry, you'd all be goose-stepping around Buckingham Palace. YOU ARE NOT WANTED!! Whether you want to support either party. BUTT OUT!!!
United States
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Still ain't seen my kids
So here's another song
Free Peter Skully
He did nothing wrong
I may have an unpopular opinion here but I don't think they should censor this song or take it down.
So here's another song
Free Peter Skully
He did nothing wrong
I may have an unpopular opinion here but I don't think they should censor this song or take it down.
Quote from: Lexi of the Dawn on May 11, 2025, 08:53 PMI don't deny that he's smart. I don't deny that he's made positive contributions to the world. I also believe he uses his intelligence to advance anti-human rights causes and uses his platform to promote and reward literal white supremacist hate speech and calls for violence. I personally don't think there's a practical distinction between "Musk" and "Musk's politics" at this point, his actions are informed by his views. And even beyond that, Mindy was specifically announcing support for him in a political context, so that was what I was making my cases against.
I've been trying to give Mindy grace and pick his brain a bit by way of presenting facts and taking his responses into account to learn about his viewpoint. But at the end of the day, some people (not talking about anyone specific here) just have fundamental moral differences and I believe it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to set boundaries and draw lines in the sand. At any rate I'm not sure that's even that relevant at this stage of the thread; I don't think anyone here is shunning Mindy or shutting him out, I think their reactions have all been perfectly understandable ones given we're talking about someone saying they'd vote for the Nazi salute guy. Jimmy, TH and I have all posed questions, I don't think anyone here is unwilling to have a conversation.
Yeah but there's also those same people in this thread that show support for Kanye in the Kanye West thread and nobody really seems to be flipping their lid over that and he's been actively more dangerous in terms of racism and anti semitism. I'm not saying you're off base, in fact I agree with much of what you're saying, but the people in here that are speaking against Musk while also supporting Kanye comes off a bit odd.
Quote from: Lisnaholic on May 11, 2025, 05:02 PMI really enjoyed the first series because the very unusual premise kept me intrigued about the way it would play out.
To do justice to the second series, I'm planning to re-watch the first series, so that the characters and their stories are fresh in my mind again.
^ A complaint, but also a laugh ? No spoilers, please, but were you genuinely disappointed with Series 2 ?
Yes, I was genuinely disappointed with it. Without getting into spoilers, I think the writers had a difficult time writing the second season. I'm not convinced they had a clear idea of what they wanted to do with the characters, nor am I convinced they had a clear idea of where they wanted to take the story. Part of what made the first season so interesting and unique was the environment and the general mystery of what the hell is going on. Throughout the first season, some of that mystery is unveiled and illuminated, and even if there are still questions, you're very familiar by the time season 2 gets going with both the characters and the environments - so the draw of the 'mystery' so abundant is season 1 is stifled a bit in season 2. I didn't like the way the second season started, or the way it ended. I won't go much deeper (unless you want me to), for the sake of allowing you to attempt to make up your own mind about it without bias.
I don't mean to say season 2 was horrible or anything - but it was definitely disappointing. I'll definitely be tuning into season 3 when it eventually comes out though.
I don't deny that he's smart. I don't deny that he's made positive contributions to the world. I also believe he uses his intelligence to advance anti-human rights causes and uses his platform to promote and reward literal white supremacist hate speech and calls for violence. I personally don't think there's a practical distinction between "Musk" and "Musk's politics" at this point, his actions are informed by his views. And even beyond that, Mindy was specifically announcing support for him in a political context, so that was what I was making my cases against.
I've been trying to give Mindy grace and pick his brain a bit by way of presenting facts and taking his responses into account to learn about his viewpoint. But at the end of the day, some people (not talking about anyone specific here) just have fundamental moral differences and I believe it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to set boundaries and draw lines in the sand. At any rate I'm not sure that's even that relevant at this stage of the thread; I don't think anyone here is shunning Mindy or shutting him out, I think their reactions have all been perfectly understandable ones given we're talking about someone saying they'd vote for the Nazi salute guy. Jimmy, TH and I have all posed questions, I don't think anyone here is unwilling to have a conversation.
I've been trying to give Mindy grace and pick his brain a bit by way of presenting facts and taking his responses into account to learn about his viewpoint. But at the end of the day, some people (not talking about anyone specific here) just have fundamental moral differences and I believe it's perfectly reasonable for anyone to set boundaries and draw lines in the sand. At any rate I'm not sure that's even that relevant at this stage of the thread; I don't think anyone here is shunning Mindy or shutting him out, I think their reactions have all been perfectly understandable ones given we're talking about someone saying they'd vote for the Nazi salute guy. Jimmy, TH and I have all posed questions, I don't think anyone here is unwilling to have a conversation.
lol Mindy is MAGA then. Mindy you can say it you know.
Elon Musk sticks his nose into British politics and hasn't got a clue what he's on about. He was tweeting shit about Tommy Robinson being wrongfully imprisoned for exposing nonces. It was not true. He was just going along with the crowd.
Plus he's fucked Twitter up and just keeps making it worse.
Annoying face too.
Elon Musk sticks his nose into British politics and hasn't got a clue what he's on about. He was tweeting shit about Tommy Robinson being wrongfully imprisoned for exposing nonces. It was not true. He was just going along with the crowd.
Plus he's fucked Twitter up and just keeps making it worse.
Annoying face too.
Quote from: Lexi of the Dawn on May 11, 2025, 07:39 PMIf you've genuinely changed your mind on him because of what TH and I have posted, that's great
I mean, liking Musk is not the worst thing you can do, tbh. Dude is wicked smart but he's just gone down a path that isn't in line with what people expected out of him prior to politics. The other thing to, is that if you are all really against Musk like you say you are, I don't wanna see any of you talking pro electric vehicles / Tesla, because guess who was one of the main people behind that.
And to basically say "I've lost all respect for you" based on who someone likes is not much better. We have to get out of that line of thinking when conversing with people otherwise we'll keep finding ourselves in situations where nobody can even have a conversation.
And yes, im saying this fully knowing I've been one to speak loudly towards others beliefs, but even I am trying to step back and realize that people will have opposing opinions. It doesn't always mean they should be shunned or shut out.
I like Musk as well, but I hate his politics. Say what you want about that.
And to basically say "I've lost all respect for you" based on who someone likes is not much better. We have to get out of that line of thinking when conversing with people otherwise we'll keep finding ourselves in situations where nobody can even have a conversation.
And yes, im saying this fully knowing I've been one to speak loudly towards others beliefs, but even I am trying to step back and realize that people will have opposing opinions. It doesn't always mean they should be shunned or shut out.
I like Musk as well, but I hate his politics. Say what you want about that.