https://twitter.com/FelizKarenP1/status/1619136300095004673?s=20&t=5C_tqfL6XyVEzEbduQ2Wdg
damn they had him fully cuffed up and kept pounding him with full uncontested haymakers
see what's up tonight
could be bad
all black cops
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/26/1151721800/memphis-officers-charged-tyre-nichols-murder
that's how the police roll - full on psychopaths
A gang of five cops murdering someone in cuffs on the street. How can you even describe it? It's absolutely insane.
It just reached the news here in Norway.
I just can't wrap my head around it. Why would police offers act like basic murderous criminals?
QuoteWhy would police offers act like basic murderous criminals?
Most people convicted of murder are not full on psychopaths. Usually, it was a situation that got out of hand. The police on the other hand joined their gang specifically to be able to inflict violence on others with little to no risk to themselves.
The reason these cops did this is similar to why the cops in uvalde did nothing when children were being massacred. They weren't going to act if it put them in even the slightest risk of harm. They have no empathy for the children because they're psychopaths. They only care about themselves. They don't care if children are being killed. This is the same mindset just being exoressed in a different way. Cowardice, extreme self-preservation at all costs, complete lack of empathy, and ultimately finding great joy in inflicting suffering on others. That's why they're cops. And they're all like that because if you're not they weed you out of the force. If a normal or decent person tries to become a cop they will abandon you in dangerous situations, weaponize other criminals against you, set you up with false allegations and so forth.
People who think it's not like that don't know what's really going on.
The reason they pick on the poor and disenfranchised is because that's who they can get away with it with. Wealthy white people refuse to see that the poor live in a fascist police state. And it ties right into prison and jail reform. What else but fascism is it to regularly round up the homeless and place them in incarcerated settings where they are routinely raped and beaten? American police are the same as any military wing of any fascist government that limits their scope to domestic terrorism. And not fighting terrorism, obviously, but partaking in it.
Quote from: Guybrush on Jan 28, 2023, 08:37 AMA gang of five cops murdering someone in cuffs on the street. How can you even describe it? It's absolutely insane.
It just reached the news here in Norway.
I just can't wrap my head around it. Why would police offers act like basic murderous criminals?
Because they can. And we let them get away with it in the name of "Law and Order".
These demonstrations are so weak.
Was just talking to my friend from Easton. Her husband is a retired cop and he was crying at what happened to Tyre. This is a Fox news disciple too.
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Jan 29, 2023, 01:30 PMWas just talking to my friend from Easton. Her husband is a retired cop and he was crying at what happened to Tyre. This is a Fox news disciple too.
Touching.
Could you find out how many people he arrested on petty victimless crimes who ended up permanently traumatized by the legal system? Thanks in advance. ACAB.
I think hyperbole is useful in order to point out problems so that we can discuss and deal with them. But rationally speaking, you should still keep in mind that it's not an accurate representation of reality.
You yourself acknowledged the existence of more decent people trying to be cops earlier in this thread, OH, where you also wrote they get pressured by bad cops. So obviously even you think it's a possibility that decent people exist in police, even if they can't necessarily keep their hands clean forever.
I mention it because I find it quite rude to dismiss the sorrow that police officers might feel about this on the basis that they are all bastards. Let's try not to delve down to those depths?
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 02:13 PMTouching.
Could you find out how many people he arrested on petty victimless crimes who ended up permanently traumatized by the legal system? Thanks in advance. ACAB.
He was actually an undercover narc. He didn't particularly like some of his co-workers. Obviously police abuse is rampant whether it is at the local level or, in this guy's case, the state police. Again, it's the bad eggs (I won't say few because it really is a culture) that make the whole department look bad.
QuoteI find it quite rude to dismiss the sorrow that police officers might feel about this
I hate them. I don't respect their sorrows and hardships.
The great band Flipper said it
QuoteShed no tears for the cop bleeding
He once held the gun, he once held the keys
Now his prisoners will sing and dance and play
They choose the path of hierarchical oppression using the state to inflict sanctioned violence to uphold an evil capitalist power structure.
Quoteit really is a culture
yes it is
I think of it as similar to saying all Mexicans are criminals. Any such negative, hyperbolic generalization helps enable hate, mistreatment and violence against groups of people. It helps escalate so many conflicts.
Hence, I think it should be society's job to teach people not to give in to this base instinct to judge others based on their sexuality, skin color, etc - even their jobs.
Other than that, it's obvious even from here that there are widespread and deep rooted problems in the American police.
Yes. Many enter the police force with good intentions but many get caught up in the violent culture, in some cases for their own survival. Clearly the police departments need a lot of reform but where do you start? The unions are very powerful and politics will often get in the way of things such as here in Baltimore after the riots here when our politically minded state's attorney charged the Freddie Gray culprits prematurely as a way to stop the rioting. No surprise they all got off.
What if it's somebody's job to kidnap children and film their exploitation?
A job isn't a passive trait like skin color or even just a belief that may or may not be acted on. A job demands actions and if we can't judge people by their actions what can we judge them by? There are no good cops because a cop is a bad thing to be.
QuoteClearly the police departments need a lot of reform but where do you start?
No reform. Abolish the profession.
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 04:28 PMQuoteClearly the police departments need a lot of reform but where do you start?
No reform. Abolish the profession.
Okay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Defunding the police isn't going to solve the problem. Yes, we may have to start from scratch if we want to weed out the ones who are just on power trips, but crime isn't going to magically stop. Yes, we need to address the causes of crime to begin with ( we certainly need better schools for example), but in the meantime, a police force is a necessary evil. Again, it's a matter of weeding out the bad ones.
QuoteOkay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Nobody protects me now. The police do not make the community safer. They are psychopathic thugs weaponized by the state to inflict terror on the community. You actually think the police will intervene on my behalf if I'm getting mugged? I'm amazed people still have this impression of the police. They don't stop crime and if you report it later they treat you like a suspect. To them everyone is a suspect or to be more honest about it a potential victim of their state sponsored crime syndicate.
Not defund the police. Abolish. End their existence.
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 02:13 PMACAB.
Every time I see that acronym, it makes me think of that crappy ABACAB album by Genesis.
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Jan 29, 2023, 05:24 PMQuote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 02:13 PMACAB.
Every time I see that acronym, it makes me think of that crappy ABACAB album by Genesis.
Trollheart loves that record.
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 05:18 PMQuoteOkay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Nobody protects me now. The police do not make the community safer. They are psychopathic thugs weaponized by the state to inflict terror on the community. You actually think the police will intervene on my behalf if I'm getting mugged? I'm amazed people still have this impression of the police. They don't stop crime and if you report it later they treat you like a suspect. To them everyone is a suspect or to be more honest about it a potential victim of their state sponsored crime syndicate.
Not defund the police. Abolish. End their existence.
I can see how a simple story is attractive. These guys are acting evil because that's the job handed to them by the government. It's so much simpler than the much more likely explanation that these guys and their working environment were shaped by forces inside your own society that may have to do with which values are instilled, how your society makes you care about each other, how scared you are of each other, how society teaches you to separate fact from fiction, how society gives equal opportunity and access to services (or not), etc.
How much easier it is to just say remove the police than it is to have to do something about the complex web of problems that may actually lie at the root of this and many other problems.
Nah on the bait and switch. My understanding of the complexity and rottenness of American culture is fine and no one is more fixated on correcting the injustices that caused this mess than me. I live in a police state. The root of the problem is this country has been the most aggressive necro-capitalist monster on earth since the first Indian was murdered in the name of private property. Removing the police is doing "something about the complex web of problems that may actually lie at the root of this and many other problems" it's dissolving the domestic military wing of our capitalist death machine. Prison and police abolition are core principles of any revolutionary action in America.
Quote from: Guybrush on Jan 29, 2023, 05:42 PMQuote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 05:18 PMQuoteOkay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Nobody protects me now. The police do not make the community safer. They are psychopathic thugs weaponized by the state to inflict terror on the community. You actually think the police will intervene on my behalf if I'm getting mugged? I'm amazed people still have this impression of the police. They don't stop crime and if you report it later they treat you like a suspect. To them everyone is a suspect or to be more honest about it a potential victim of their state sponsored crime syndicate.
Not defund the police. Abolish. End their existence.
I can see how a simple story is attractive. These guys are acting evil because that's the job handed to them by the government. It's so much simpler than the much more likely explanation that these guys and their working environment were shaped by forces inside your own society that may have to do with which values are instilled, how your society makes you care about each other, how scared you are of each other, how society teaches you to separate fact from fiction, how society gives equal opportunity and access to services (or not), etc.
How much easier it is to just say remove the police than it is to have to do something about the complex web of problems that may actually lie at the root of this and many other problems.
you're right that the police is not the root of the problem and that the solution doesn't end there, but it's a core manifestation of the problem and a good place to start
Quote from: Guybrush on Jan 29, 2023, 05:42 PMQuote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 05:18 PMQuoteOkay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Nobody protects me now. The police do not make the community safer. They are psychopathic thugs weaponized by the state to inflict terror on the community. You actually think the police will intervene on my behalf if I'm getting mugged? I'm amazed people still have this impression of the police. They don't stop crime and if you report it later they treat you like a suspect. To them everyone is a suspect or to be more honest about it a potential victim of their state sponsored crime syndicate.
Not defund the police. Abolish. End their existence.
I can see how a simple story is attractive. These guys are acting evil because that's the job handed to them by the government. It's so much simpler than the much more likely explanation that these guys and their working environment were shaped by forces inside your own society that may have to do with which values are instilled, how your society makes you care about each other, how scared you are of each other, how society teaches you to separate fact from fiction, how society gives equal opportunity and access to services (or not), etc.
How much easier it is to just say remove the police than it is to have to do something about the complex web of problems that may actually lie at the root of this and many other problems.
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Jan 29, 2023, 06:30 PMNah on the bait and switch. My understanding of the complexity and rottenness of American culture is fine and no one is more fixated on correcting the injustices that caused this mess than me. I live in a police state. The root of the problem is this country has been the most aggressive necro-capitalist monster on earth since the first Indian was murdered in the name of private property. Removing the police is doing "something about the complex web of problems that may actually lie at the root of this and many other problems" it's dissolving the domestic military wing of our capitalist death machine. Prison and police abolition are core principles of any revolutionary action in America.
You hit the nail on the head, Guybrush. It is a lot more complicated than simply "police are bad non-police are good." We Americans live in a society where we're supposed to worship authority even as we espouse our basic freedoms. It's why we tend to look the other way when police abuse is staring right in front of us, especially when it comes to minorities.
And yet, we're not in a police state exactly. We can go to our business most of the time without worrying about being stopped by some rogue cop. I mean that possibility is always there, but for the most part, they're more concerned about getting that great drug bust than they are about how you do your laundry. If you really want to live in a police state, try some of the South American nations or maybe even some of Asia. I bet North Korea is a swell place to live.
Quotenon-police are good
ftr i never said that so if that if that's an attack on my position it's a strawman
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/01/30/tyre-nichols-skateboard-photography-videos-youtube-memories-orig-kj.cnn he was a totally good dude - talented skateboarder
they pulled him over not for any driving violation - they just wanted to bully someone - this isn't an arrest that went wrong - this isn't even george floyd - one minute he's driving a car and suddenly five 200 plus pound meatheads from a psychopathic gang they call the scorpions are beating the life out of him
if i said the mafia should be abolished or the klan or the taliban or the crips and the bloods there's little objection - the police are the same thing
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 01, 2023, 07:52 PMhttps://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/01/30/tyre-nichols-skateboard-photography-videos-youtube-memories-orig-kj.cnn he was a totally good dude - talented skateboarder
they pulled him over not for any driving violation - they just wanted to bully someone - this isn't an arrest that went wrong - this isn't even george floyd - one minute he's driving a car and suddenly five 200 plus pound meatheads from a psychopathic gang they call the scorpions are beating the life out of him
if i said the mafia should be abolished or the klan or the taliban or the crips and the bloods there's little objection - the police are the same thing
It does seem odd. I wonder if one or more of the cops knew him from somewhere and wanted to get their pound of flesh.
I also wonder if there is a parallel between the Scorpions and the events of We Own This City which is about the corruption of the Gun Trace task Force. They too also used bullying tactics to extort money from innocent victims.
https://apnews.com/article/ff6e14009393db7b12f984f0bc96965f
QuoteThe officer, Demetrius Haley, stood over Nichols as he lay propped against a police car and took photographs, which Haley sent to other officers and a female acquaintance, according to documents released by the Tennessee Peace Officers Standards and Training Commission.
They all probably masturbate to it. Not saying that to be facetious. I'm 100% serious. Cops love this kind of thing. That's why he was comfortable sending it around.
The lack of outrage compared to George Floyd shows how powerful the racial narrative is. Of course, the cops are racists and no one hates black people more than black cops. But without a white villain it's cute little signs instead moltov cocktails.
There are some differences with George Floyd and Tyree Nichols. For one thing you had a President that was very divisive with Floyd. It was as much an indictment on Trump as it was on the cops themselves. With Nichols, the President seems pretty bland, and while we should be outraged (and many of us are), it isn't really an indictment of Biden so the anger seems a little less, particularly with the press. Plus since the cops in this case were black, maybe it's easier for whites to look the other way, black on black crime and all of that.
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 08, 2023, 12:56 PMhttps://apnews.com/article/ff6e14009393db7b12f984f0bc96965f
The lack of outrage compared to George Floyd shows how powerful the racial narrative is. Of course, the cops are racists and no one hates black people more than black cops. But without a white villain it's cute little signs instead moltov cocktails.
That seems to be the unfortunate racial situation in America. No other racial combination of cop vs. victim of police brutality ever seems to get anywhere near the coverage in the media or generate the same level of outrage than when it's a white cop/cops and a black victim.
Biden sponsored the 94 crime bill which was the most racist legislation of the post-vietnam era. I believe both Floyd and Nichols would be alive if it wasn't for Biden.
Trump is very racist but not against blacks like Biden. Trump had a good relationship with the hip hop community when he was just a rich white guy. Then he pardoned hip hop artists while in office.
But yeah, you're right, Trump was more fun to hate, plus there was covid boredom but Nichols' murder is the worst and the five black cops on the one black man really shows it's just the American way. All the more reason for revolutionary actions aimed at the entire capitalist super structure.
The 94 crime bill was a huge mistake obviously but a lot of that can be blamed on American Society. It was politically popular to be "tough on crime" then and I'm not sure people were thinking of the racial overtones at the time. Even black politicians supported the bill because it was so popular and of course if it was popular, Clinton was going to sign it.
I'm not sure how to rate Nichols or Floyd on the horror scale. Let's just say they're all horrific including the ones we never get to know about.
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Feb 08, 2023, 01:43 PMQuote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 08, 2023, 12:56 PMhttps://apnews.com/article/ff6e14009393db7b12f984f0bc96965f
The lack of outrage compared to George Floyd shows how powerful the racial narrative is. Of course, the cops are racists and no one hates black people more than black cops. But without a white villain it's cute little signs instead moltov cocktails.
That seems to be the unfortunate racial situation in America. No other racial combination of cop vs. victim of police brutality ever seems to get anywhere near the coverage in the media or generate the same level of outrage than when it's a white cop/cops and a black victim.
the police stood on the hood of Christian Glass's car outside of Boulder, Colorado and shot him point blank through the windshield in cold blood - i watched the full footage before it was taken down - it was full on white on white first degree murder - killed this kid for no other reason than obviously that's why psychopaths become police and vice versa - they become cops because they want to hurt and kill people
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Feb 08, 2023, 02:01 PMThe 94 crime bill was a huge mistake obviously but a lot of that can be blamed on American Society. It was politically popular to be "tough on crime" then and I'm not sure people were thinking of the racial overtones at the time. Even black politicians supported the bill because it was so popular and of course if it was popular, Clinton was going to sign it.
I'm not sure how to rate Nichols or Floyd on the horror scale. Let's just say they're all horrific including the ones we never get to know about.
it aggressively and intentionally targeted blacks and black politicians have always been racist against other blacks and won't even live in black communities
Darryl Tyree Williams
psychopathic pigs murder another and then pretend they care
look how long they taser this guy after they already pinned him down
https://youtu.be/16omJ98bkd4
https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-raleigh-00bcaed0cd3db05b969232b1f1fbc0e0
QuotePolice have said officers had been conducting proactive patrols of nearby businesses.
Proactive means they attack people at their own discretion for no legitimate reason except to dominate and bully people.
Please, let's start seeing this for what it is. There's nothing to be nuanced about. Systemic doesn't even describe it. They're death squads. The United Nations should send troops in to monitor American police. That's what they would do if this was happening in Africa.
https://apnews.com/article/tyre-nichols-memphis-6fc0f442de01ca2c801b8fb67719c48c
this shows the need for prison reform (i support complete abolition)
QuoteYears before Memphis Police officer Demetrius Haley pulled Tyre Nichols from his car on Jan. 7, setting in motion a deadly confrontation, Haley was accused of taking part in the savage beating of an inmate at a county prison.
and again - how is this not a police state:
QuoteBlack residents of Memphis have described police sweeps in which unmarked cars roll into neighborhoods and armed plainclothes officers jump out, rushing traffic violators and issuing commands. The resulting fear has led people to text, call and use social media to caution each other to stay inside or avoid the area when police operations are underway.
they're terrorists
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 12, 2023, 01:51 PMhttps://apnews.com/article/tyre-nichols-memphis-6fc0f442de01ca2c801b8fb67719c48c
this shows the need for prison reform (i support complete abolition)
You can't totally abolish prisons. You still have cold blooded murderers out there and you'd have to have someplace to house the crooked cops. There are way too many imprisoned for petty crimes though.
QuoteYears before Memphis Police officer Demetrius Haley pulled Tyre Nichols from his car on Jan. 7, setting in motion a deadly confrontation, Haley was accused of taking part in the savage beating of an inmate at a county prison.
and again - how is this not a police state:
QuoteBlack residents of Memphis have described police sweeps in which unmarked cars roll into neighborhoods and armed plainclothes officers jump out, rushing traffic violators and issuing commands. The resulting fear has led people to text, call and use social media to caution each other to stay inside or avoid the area when police operations are underway.
they're terrorists
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Yes, it's the culture of corruption and it's hardly limited to just Memphis or even Memphis and Baltimore. It's a systemic problem in most of the jurisdictions, both big cities and small towns (who can forget Ferguson for example?)
QuoteYou can't totally abolish prisons
that's what they said about slavery and american prisons are slavery 2.0
there are many other options
plus any serious attempt to abolish capitalism would have to start with tearing down prison walls where all the real revolutionaries are housed
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/us/georgia-officer-charged-susana-morales-death
Georgia police officer arrested in connection with death of 16-year-old girl who was missing for 6 months, authorities say
Police in my home state of Georgia stay murdering people. The police murdered all those children back in the 70's and threw their bodies in the river. Most of the murders were just a few miles from where I grew up.
this is a collection of Tyre Nichols photograhy
https://thiscaliforniakid2.wixsite.com/tnicholsphotography
Quote from: Dreams on Feb 12, 2023, 02:37 PMQuoteYou can't totally abolish prisons
that's what they said about slavery and american prisons are slavery 2.0
there are many other options
plus any serious attempt to abolish capitalism would have to start with tearing down prison walls where all the real revolutionaries are housed
what's the other options?
Quote from: Dreams on Jan 29, 2023, 05:18 PMQuoteOkay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Nobody protects me now. The police do not make the community safer. They are psychopathic thugs weaponized by the state to inflict terror on the community. You actually think the police will intervene on my behalf if I'm getting mugged? I'm amazed people still have this impression of the police. They don't stop crime and if you report it later they treat you like a suspect. To them everyone is a suspect or to be more honest about it a potential victim of their state sponsored crime syndicate.
Not defund the police. Abolish. End their existence.
I think a certain amount of protection is afforded just by living in a place where cops exist and prisons exist.
It doesn't protect you from the people who are willing to risk it, but it definitely makes crime less appealing than it other wise would be. Literally the only thing stopping me from sticking up a bank is the fact that I don't have the balls to risk getting caught nor the brains/know how to feel like I could pull it off.
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 06:01 AMQuote from: Dreams on Feb 12, 2023, 02:37 PMQuoteYou can't totally abolish prisons
that's what they said about slavery and american prisons are slavery 2.0
there are many other options
plus any serious attempt to abolish capitalism would have to start with tearing down prison walls where all the real revolutionaries are housed
what's the other options?
first legalize every crime that doesn't have a victim - drugs prostitution
only retribution for property crimes and only for personal property not for private property
for violent crimes against a weaker victim immediately death penalty- rape mugging old ladies property and wealth hoarding exploiting laborers
technology could monitor dangerous people - AI and advanced ankle bracelets equipped with the ability to inject the person a sedative or poison if they misbehave
every idea has drawbacks but the ultimate goal should be to reduce the total collective amount of human suffering- prisons are an industry of endless intense human suffering- killing people immediately stops the suffering instantaneously - really there's nothing inhumane about it - hell don't even bother reading the sentence just walk over and shoot them in the head - only takes a second - the person would never have a chance to care
the surveillance idea is also unpalatable but it would be far more humane than the bullying rape and torture commonplace when you house the least desirable together
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 06:57 AMQuote from: Dreams on Jan 29, 2023, 05:18 PMQuoteOkay, but who is going to be there to protect you from getting mugged?
Nobody protects me now. The police do not make the community safer. They are psychopathic thugs weaponized by the state to inflict terror on the community. You actually think the police will intervene on my behalf if I'm getting mugged? I'm amazed people still have this impression of the police. They don't stop crime and if you report it later they treat you like a suspect. To them everyone is a suspect or to be more honest about it a potential victim of their state sponsored crime syndicate.
Not defund the police. Abolish. End their existence.
I think a certain amount of protection is afforded just by living in a place where cops exist and prisons exist.
It doesn't protect you from the people who are willing to risk it, but it definitely makes crime less appealing than it other wise would be. Literally the only thing stopping me from sticking up a bank is the fact that I don't have the balls to risk getting caught nor the brains/know how to feel like I could pull it off.
you can't rob a bank but rich bankers can rob you - it's only the illusion of protection- the truth is the propping up the power structure as is is constantly using force and violence to enslave us to the hell of capitalism that would've been unthinkable to a pre-agricultural ancestors - giving the state a monopoly on force and violence keeps us trapped inside the capitalist paradigm
"You can't rob the bank but the bank ban rob you, maaaaaaannn."
Pinch yourself for that one you fuckin trying-to-be-poignant cornball :laughing:
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 10:03 AMQuote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 06:01 AMQuote from: Dreams on Feb 12, 2023, 02:37 PMQuoteYou can't totally abolish prisons
that's what they said about slavery and american prisons are slavery 2.0
there are many other options
plus any serious attempt to abolish capitalism would have to start with tearing down prison walls where all the real revolutionaries are housed
what's the other options?
first legalize every crime that doesn't have a victim - drugs prostitution
only retribution for property crimes and only for personal property not for private property
for violent crimes against a weaker victim immediately death penalty- rape mugging old ladies property and wealth hoarding exploiting laborers
technology could monitor dangerous people - AI and advanced ankle bracelets equipped with the ability to inject the person a sedative or poison if they misbehave
every idea has drawbacks but the ultimate goal should be to reduce the total collective amount of human suffering- prisons are an industry of endless intense human suffering- killing people immediately stops the suffering instantaneously - really there's nothing inhumane about it - hell don't even bother reading the sentence just walk over and shoot them in the head - only takes a second - the person would never have a chance to care
the surveillance idea is also unpalatable but it would be far more humane than the bullying rape and torture commonplace when you house the least desirable together
so you would rather be shot in the head than spend a night in jail? I don't believe that.
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 08:07 PM"You can't rob the bank but the bank ban rob you, maaaaaaannn."
Pinch yourself for that one you fuckin trying-to-be-poignant cornball :laughing:
dude thems facts
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 08:10 PMQuote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 10:03 AMQuote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 06:01 AMQuote from: Dreams on Feb 12, 2023, 02:37 PMQuoteYou can't totally abolish prisons
that's what they said about slavery and american prisons are slavery 2.0
there are many other options
plus any serious attempt to abolish capitalism would have to start with tearing down prison walls where all the real revolutionaries are housed
what's the other options?
first legalize every crime that doesn't have a victim - drugs prostitution
only retribution for property crimes and only for personal property not for private property
for violent crimes against a weaker victim immediately death penalty- rape mugging old ladies property and wealth hoarding exploiting laborers
technology could monitor dangerous people - AI and advanced ankle bracelets equipped with the ability to inject the person a sedative or poison if they misbehave
every idea has drawbacks but the ultimate goal should be to reduce the total collective amount of human suffering- prisons are an industry of endless intense human suffering- killing people immediately stops the suffering instantaneously - really there's nothing inhumane about it - hell don't even bother reading the sentence just walk over and shoot them in the head - only takes a second - the person would never have a chance to care
the surveillance idea is also unpalatable but it would be far more humane than the bullying rape and torture commonplace when you house the least desirable together
so you would rather be shot in the head than spend a night in jail? I don't believe that.
i ain't said that but if the head shot was effective it wouldn't matter much to me now would it?
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 08:49 PMQuote from: Jwb on Mar 03, 2023, 08:07 PM"You can't rob the bank but the bank ban rob you, maaaaaaannn."
Pinch yourself for that one you fuckin trying-to-be-poignant cornball :laughing:
dude thems facts
if by facts you mean a clichéd deflection, then sure. I wasn't trying to evoke any sympathy for the bank. I'm talking incentive. If you remove any penalty for crime you remove a lot of the incentive for people to behave themselves. It's a sad fact that people cannot and haven't been able to really live peaceful lives without men with guns telling them what to do, but that's how things have been since the first agricultural surplus that prompted a raiding party of savages to take up their swords and come take your shit.
I'm not defending our justice system specifically but I'll say it seems vastly superior to any version of "abolish prisons" or "abolish the police" that I've heard so far.
QuoteIt's a sad fact that people cannot and haven't been able to really live peaceful lives with men with guns telling them what to do,
ftfy
Yawn
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seven cops murder a handcuffed man in a hospital
seven
in a hospital
cops are psychopaths
face reality people
normal people do not become cops
Just when I was starting to think American cops might've reached the depths of depravity and couldn't get any lower.
would i get pushback if i said the klan were a bunch of psychos
at some point we need to come to jesus with this premise
acknowledging the problem is the first step
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/17/us/irvo-otieno-death-what-we-know
QuoteYou see in the video he is restrained with handcuffs, he has leg irons on, and you see in the majority of the video that he seems to be in between lifelessness and unconsciousness, but yet you see him being restrained so brutally with a knee on his neck
handcuffed leg irons
7 on 1
knee on the neck
in a hospital
can anybody tell me a workable nonviolent solution
this has been the norm for so long how can this be fixed
all of this stuff it seems to me is part of huge web of problems
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A cop stuck his gun in Michael Corey Jenkins mouth after was already handcuffed and pulled the trigger.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/us/jayland-walker-shooting-grand-jury
QuoteWalker had 46 wounds, medical examiner found
Walker suffered 46 gunshot entrance or graze wounds, according to an autopsy by Summit County Medical Examiner Dr. Lisa Kohler, who found the cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds.
Though police accused Walker of firing a gunshot out his vehicle's window, a gunshot residue test was not performed as part of the autopsy
we need real gun control- disarm the police
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/13/us/jackson-county-indiana-jail-death-schizophrenia-solitary-confinement/index.html
A man with schizophrenia died after being kept naked and malnourished in solitary confinement at an Indiana jail for nearly 3 weeks, lawsuit says
https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1647041161217843200?s=20
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we need to make an example of the farmington police department
the entire department and their families should be publicly executed
then maybe the next pig would keep his gun holstered
QuoteA grand jury in Ohio has decided not to charge eight Akron police officers in the death of Jayland Walker, a 25-year-old Black man who was shot dozens of times by the police after an attempted traffic stop and a chase last summer during which he shot at the police, the state's attorney general said on Monday.
Mr. Walker was killed on June 27, 2022, after the Akron police tried to stop his car. When Mr. Walker did not pull over, video released by the police showed, officers chased him, first in vehicles and then on foot. Officers said that they thought Mr. Walker had fired a weapon from his car and that they feared he would fire again, prompting them to shoot him.
Attorney General Dave Yost of Ohio said on Monday that Mr. Walker had fired at least one shot at the police from his car. But Mr. Walker was unarmed when the police pursued him on foot and fatally shot him.
Eight Akron police officers fired a total of 94 shots at Mr. Walker, and he sustained 46 gunshot wounds, the attorney general's office said. Mr. Yost said that the police did not know that Mr. Walker had left his gun in his car. It was found in his 2005 Buick Century after the shooting.
unarmed man shot 46 times
no charges
psycho pig who murdered Breonna Taylor is back on the job in a new gang of domestic terrorists
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11-year-old Mississippi boy who was shot by responding police officer after calling 911 is released from the hospital
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/us/mississippi-police-shooting-11-year-old-boy/index.html
not that any amount of evidence will convince the peanut gallery around here what the police really are
QuoteThe family is calling for the officer to be fired and charged with the shooting.
they shoot a 12 year old boy who needed help but still people will argue that cops should still be allowed to live and even work in our communities
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 25, 2023, 02:41 PM11-year-old Mississippi boy who was shot by responding police officer after calling 911 is released from the hospital
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/us/mississippi-police-shooting-11-year-old-boy/index.html
not that any amount of evidence will convince the peanut gallery around here what the police really are
they shoot a 12 year old boy who needed help but still people will argue that cops should still be allowed to live and even work in our communities
American cops must be the most trigger-happy of any cops anywhere in the world.
Speaking of trigger-happy American cops...
Officer who fatally shot homeowner who called 911 seconds after arriving at scene charged with manslaughter (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-who-fatally-shot-homeowner-who-called-911-seconds-after-arriving-at-the-scene-charged-with-manslaughter/)