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Title: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 10, 2023, 08:14 PM
Well?

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 10, 2023, 09:23 PM
No Britpop band ever released an album that was great from beginning to end. At best they might contain a handful of good songs.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 10, 2023, 09:40 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 10, 2023, 09:23 PMNo Britpop band ever released an album that was great from beginning to end. At best they might contain a handful of good songs.

I agree with that opinion.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 10, 2023, 09:49 PM
Do you consider The La's to be Britpop?

If not, probably agree tbh. I love Blur but pretty much everything else is boring as fuck to me.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 10, 2023, 09:55 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 10, 2023, 09:49 PMDo you consider The La's to be Britpop?

If not, probably agree tbh. I love Blur but pretty much everything else is boring as fuck to me.

I think of The La's as proto-Britpop I guess.

Blur is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Back in the day I remember them being a band that I really wanted to like, because they seemed more artsy and interesting than other Britpop bands and they had cool album covers. But my experience with them was that I liked a few of their songs and the rest of the album would be 100% skippable.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 11, 2023, 12:11 AM
I would consider it more of a preference than an opinion, but I like club rap and goofy party rap better than lyrical rap. I'm not really entertained by intricate multisyllabic wordplay, I just want to get crunk.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on Mar 11, 2023, 12:26 AM
I think Supergrass' debut is a britpop album that's pretty solid from beginning to end.

I like Morrissey's music and think his solo career contains more gems than The Smiths discog. The most noticeable thing about The Smiths is Moz and so I kinda think of his solo career as The Smiths 2.0. It's not like he wildly changes style and he actually does just fine without Marr as a sparring partner.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Mar 11, 2023, 12:30 AM
Blur's 13 (1999) is one of the great albums of its era but it has nothing to do with Britpop. Couldn't be further from that world 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 11, 2023, 01:08 AM
Led Zeppelin did the right thing by breaking up after John Bonham died but it would've been better if they'd broken up before they recorded 'In Through the Out Door.'
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Rubber Soul on Mar 11, 2023, 02:01 PM
I would rate Pulp as great Britpop.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 11, 2023, 02:38 PM
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Mar 11, 2023, 02:01 PMI would rate Pulp as great Britpop.
"Common People" is the only song I've heard by them that I like. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Mar 11, 2023, 02:52 PM
Not a fan of Pulp but Babies, Mile End and This Is Hardcore are three songs I like a lot
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 11, 2023, 02:59 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 11, 2023, 01:08 AMLed Zeppelin did the right thing by breaking up after John Bonham died but it would've been better if they'd broken up before they recorded 'In Through the Out Door.'

"Fool in the Rain" and "All My Love" are two of my favorite LZ songs so can't agree. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 11, 2023, 03:17 PM
I absolutely love In Through the Out Door, but I've always liked it when they expanded their sound outside of the classic bluesy hard rock and I'm a sucker for rock bands embracing synths.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 03:33 PM
I hope we all agree Oasis and The Stone Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever  :)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 11, 2023, 04:07 PM
I'm a big Oasis fan honestly, I saw them in 2008 and I still love their first couple records. I haven't really seen many people hype them up as a legendary band after the initial 90s hype, so I wouldn't agree that they're one of the most overrated bands ever. Though this is my perspective as an American, might be different across the pond.

Never cared for the Stone Roses, what I've heard isn't really my thing.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 11, 2023, 04:19 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 03:33 PMI hope we all agree Oasis and The Stone Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever  :)

Can't say I disagree.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on Mar 11, 2023, 04:24 PM
The Stone Roses I never quite got. They are so highly regarded, but I can't remember liking their music much.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 04:29 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 11, 2023, 04:07 PMI'm a big Oasis fan honestly, I saw them in 2008 and I still love their first couple records. I haven't really seen many people hype them up as a legendary band after the initial 90s hype, so I wouldn't agree that they're one of the most overrated bands ever. Though this is my perspective as an American, might be different across the pond.

Never cared for the Stone Roses, what I've heard isn't really my thing.



It is. If you're under the age of 40 and British, people will act like you pissed on their kids if you don't like the gods of music and all time greats, Oasis.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 11, 2023, 04:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 03:33 PMI hope we all agree Oasis and The Stone Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever  :)
They definitely seem to be overrated in UK. Neither band was as huge over here, especially not The Stone Roses. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lisnaholic on Mar 11, 2023, 04:53 PM
Oasis:
I wouldn't say I was sucked into the hype, but I liked the Oasis album, (What's The Story) Morning Glory. It has some great, catchy songs and at the time, no-one else was doing that kind of nod-and-a wink retro-referencing in their music, so the album was like some exciting new possibility even while it was looking backwards. They soon went off the boil imo, although their reputation continued to grow, so yes, overrated.
Stone Roses:
I don't believe me or my friends irl have ever listened to or mentioned The Stone Roses, so if they are overrated, it isn't happening around here.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Rubber Soul on Mar 11, 2023, 05:34 PM
The Stone Roses got some airplay on WHFS back in the day, around 1990 or so, but they never got as big as Oasis, or Blur for that matter. Blur is the first band I think of when I think of Britpop.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 11, 2023, 05:38 PM
Oasis really built their career on not so much the music but the hype surrounding them, this constant rivalry with Blur, the No Way Sis thing, the two Gallaghers trying to be Lennon and McCartney. I like some of their songs but a lot of it is basic trash, and though I'm no fan of them either, the idea that they were the new Beatles was laughable.

I do love this song though.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Rubber Soul on Mar 11, 2023, 05:50 PM
Oasis did have their share of decent songs, especially early on but, yeah, I was kind of turned off by the Lennon-McCartney comparisons too.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 06:37 PM

Move over, Lennon & McCartney  8)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Mar 11, 2023, 07:07 PM
The Stone Roses' self-titled debut opens with a 10/10 banger followed by a bunch of pale replicas, so yeah for me everyone who says it's one of the great British rock albums massively overrates it. There's just one more great song there, Made of Stone, and that's it.

Fool's Gold is another banger 

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 11, 2023, 07:27 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 11, 2023, 01:08 AMLed Zeppelin did the right thing by breaking up after John Bonham died but it would've been better if they'd broken up before they recorded 'In Through the Out Door.'


trolls ban this fool

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 11, 2023, 07:28 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 03:33 PMI hope we all agree Oasis and The Stone Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever  :)

oasis are great

come on
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 11, 2023, 07:39 PM
The Holy Bible
Suede s/t debut
When I Was Born for the 7th Time
Definitely Maybe
(What's the Story) Morning Glory?

every note ever released by radiohead if they count
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 07:45 PM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 11, 2023, 07:28 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 03:33 PMI hope we all agree Oasis and The Stone Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever  :)

oasis are great

come on

You can be great and overrated you know.

Irrelevant anyway in this case as Oasis are definitely a steaming pile of shite.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 11, 2023, 08:05 PM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 11, 2023, 07:27 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 11, 2023, 01:08 AMLed Zeppelin did the right thing by breaking up after John Bonham died but it would've been better if they'd broken up before they recorded 'In Through the Out Door.'


trolls ban this fool



Wait 'till you see my controversial opinion on the Clash.  :devil:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 12, 2023, 01:33 AM
I'm not sure if this is unpopular or not, but a lot of albums from the 90s and the very early 00s are about 15-20 minutes too long.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 12, 2023, 01:46 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 12, 2023, 01:33 AMI'm not sure if this is unpopular or not, but a lot of albums from the 90s and the very early 00s are about 15-20 minutes too long.

for sure

the extra cd space lead to lazier editing

43 minutes was a good album length

one side of a 90 minute cassette

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 12, 2023, 02:27 AM
Yup. Tons of 90s rap albums really suffer from that, having 18+ tracks (with 3-5 of those being corny skits) and filling all 77 minutes, it's exhausting. It takes an extremely talented and versatile artist to entertain me for that long.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 12, 2023, 02:39 AM
Not only that, but does every song need ten producers? I mean, what do they all do? Produce a few notes each and then head off? (Annoyed old man voice) In my day we had one producer per ALBUM dammit, and that's just the way I likes it!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 12, 2023, 02:57 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 12, 2023, 02:27 AMYup. Tons of 90s rap albums really suffer from that, having 18+ tracks (with 3-5 of those being corny skits) and filling all 77 minutes, it's exhausting. It takes an extremely talented and versatile artist to entertain me for that long.

Skits are infuriating. Why did nobody point out to these people that once you've heard it the joke is over?

What a waste of everyone's time.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 12, 2023, 03:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 12, 2023, 02:57 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 12, 2023, 02:27 AMYup. Tons of 90s rap albums really suffer from that, having 18+ tracks (with 3-5 of those being corny skits) and filling all 77 minutes, it's exhausting. It takes an extremely talented and versatile artist to entertain me for that long.

Skits are infuriating. Why did nobody point out to these people that once you've heard it the joke is over?

What a waste of everyone's time.

Busta Rhymes skits have exceptional staying power
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 12, 2023, 10:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 12, 2023, 02:27 AMYup. Tons of 90s rap albums really suffer from that, having 18+ tracks (with 3-5 of those being corny skits) and filling all 77 minutes, it's exhausting. It takes an extremely talented and versatile artist to entertain me for that long.

Yup. I love Outkast, but Stankonia is a great post-90s example of this. If you got rid of some of the more half-baked tracks and all of the skits, the album would be perfect.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 12, 2023, 10:59 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 12, 2023, 10:49 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 12, 2023, 02:27 AMYup. Tons of 90s rap albums really suffer from that, having 18+ tracks (with 3-5 of those being corny skits) and filling all 77 minutes, it's exhausting. It takes an extremely talented and versatile artist to entertain me for that long.

Yup. I love Outkast, but Stankonia is a great post-90s example of this. If you got rid of some of the more half-baked tracks and all of the skits, the album would be perfect.

being from atl that would be blasphemy if i said it

it's a great cohesive album and fun all the way through but it may or may not be my opinion that there's about 20 minutes that really only belong on the director's cut
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 12, 2023, 11:12 PM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 12, 2023, 10:59 PMbeing from atl that would be blasphemy if i said it

it's a great cohesive album and fun all the way through but it may or may not be my opinion that there's about 20 minutes that really only belong on the director's cut

Exactly. Put "Toilet Tisha" on the director's cut. :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 13, 2023, 01:15 AM
I don't think Stankonia is that bad compared to some.

MMLP and Ready to Die have some appalling ones on there.

The Chronic is probably the best example for me. Every track a gem until $20 Sack Pyramid. Totally ruins it.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 13, 2023, 01:19 AM
Deep Cover in place of Sack Pyramid, remove Dr's Office and its arguably the best Hip Hop album ever imo.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 01:44 AM
QuoteReady to Die

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that one where the girl is sucking his dick and she keeps saying you know i don't be doing this and he says "whatever bitch" still cracks me up and i also love "pickle juice drinking motherfucker" and technically "you got a red dot on your head" is a skit too so i gotta say rtd is without flaw
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Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 02:52 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 12, 2023, 02:57 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 12, 2023, 02:27 AMYup. Tons of 90s rap albums really suffer from that, having 18+ tracks (with 3-5 of those being corny skits) and filling all 77 minutes, it's exhausting. It takes an extremely talented and versatile artist to entertain me for that long.

Skits are infuriating. Why did nobody point out to these people that once you've heard it the joke is over?

What a waste of everyone's time.
Yeah it's kinda crazy when you think about the fact that audioskits as a medium only seem to be attempted by musicians.  Who are some of the worst actors and joke tellers possible. 

I'll take it a step further.  Even a so called iconic skit like deez nuts is only actually mildly amusing at best. That's honestly being generous.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Mar 13, 2023, 02:56 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 02:52 AMI'll take it a step further.  Even a so called iconic skit like deez nuts is only actually mildly amusing at best. That's honestly being generous.

Agreed. And even the ones that are kinda funny are usually only funny the first time. After that they're the reason the skip button was invented.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 05:00 AM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 13, 2023, 01:44 AM
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that one where the girl is sucking his dick and she keeps saying you know i don't be doing this and he says "whatever bitch" still cracks me up and i also love "pickle juice drinking motherfucker" and technically "you got a red dot on your head" is a skit too so i gotta say rtd is without flaw
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if puffy trying to talk biggie out of suicide counts as a skit, it's among one of the worst performances of all time. It nearly ruins an otherwise classic song.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 08:15 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 05:00 AM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 13, 2023, 01:44 AM
QuoteReady to Die

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that one where the girl is sucking his dick and she keeps saying you know i don't be doing this and he says "whatever bitch" still cracks me up and i also love "pickle juice drinking motherfucker" and technically "you got a red dot on your head" is a skit too so i gotta say rtd is without flaw
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if puffy trying to talk biggie out of suicide counts as a skit, it's among one of the worst performances of all time. It nearly ruins an otherwise classic song.
😳 bad take
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 08:31 AM
You liked puffy interjecting with "yo man you buggin!" throughout the song, even trampling over big's lines with that inane bullshit? Like the fuckin skit part didn't even end when the song started.  Puffy's ignorant frohawk sporting ass rambled over the whole fuckin song.  I guess suge really did have a point at the source awards lol.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 08:33 AM
YO BIG!!!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 08:34 AM
The saddest part about the end of that song was that the wrong character died.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 08:42 AM
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 13, 2023, 08:34 AMThe saddest part about the end of that song was that the wrong character died.
lol
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 13, 2023, 01:21 PM
Is there a particular reason why some artists have to have three or four different "takes" or versions of songs on their albums? Like radio edit, studio version, extended, demo, blah blah blah. I mean, surely if you've heard one version of the song it's enough? Might be a curiosity, seeing how it was originally meant to be, but should that take up space on the album you're (ostensibly) paying for?
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 01:37 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 13, 2023, 01:21 PMIs there a particular reason why some artists have to have three or four different "takes" or versions of songs on their albums? Like radio edit, studio version, extended, demo, blah blah blah. I mean, surely if you've heard one version of the song it's enough? Might be a curiosity, seeing how it was originally meant to be, but should that take up space on the album you're (ostensibly) paying for?

sometimes they stink and sometimes they're great but bonus tracks shouldn't be added to the original release but instead put on an outtakes and rarities compilation
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 13, 2023, 02:55 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 13, 2023, 01:21 PMIs there a particular reason why some artists have to have three or four different "takes" or versions of songs on their albums? Like radio edit, studio version, extended, demo, blah blah blah. I mean, surely if you've heard one version of the song it's enough? Might be a curiosity, seeing how it was originally meant to be, but should that take up space on the album you're (ostensibly) paying for?

Well some of them were originally too long for radio so they chop it down. Some just have different production. Either way, no issue with it and I've rarely found them taking up space on the album. There's plenty of space to go round BTW, there's nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 03:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 13, 2023, 02:55 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 13, 2023, 01:21 PMIs there a particular reason why some artists have to have three or four different "takes" or versions of songs on their albums? Like radio edit, studio version, extended, demo, blah blah blah. I mean, surely if you've heard one version of the song it's enough? Might be a curiosity, seeing how it was originally meant to be, but should that take up space on the album you're (ostensibly) paying for?

Well some of them were originally too long for radio so they chop it down. Some just have different production. Either way, no issue with it and I've rarely found them taking up space on the album. There's plenty of space to go round BTW, there's nothing to worry about.

yeah but you need to take care to understand that the bonus tracks are extraneous

i mean you listen to the whole thing and up never wanting to hear it again that's a problem

i go check the original release tracklist and cut off the extras as a matter of course

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Trollheart on Mar 13, 2023, 10:27 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 13, 2023, 02:55 PM
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 13, 2023, 01:21 PMIs there a particular reason why some artists have to have three or four different "takes" or versions of songs on their albums? Like radio edit, studio version, extended, demo, blah blah blah. I mean, surely if you've heard one version of the song it's enough? Might be a curiosity, seeing how it was originally meant to be, but should that take up space on the album you're (ostensibly) paying for?

Well some of them were originally too long for radio so they chop it down. Some just have different production. Either way, no issue with it and I've rarely found them taking up space on the album. There's plenty of space to go round BTW, there's nothing to worry about.

I feel it is an issue, as instead of putting these other takes on, they could have put an original song instead. So rather than get, say, three versions of a song (which, as Dreams says, you may not even like) you have the opportunity to hear more of their original music. I mean, would you buy an album of nothing but special versions/remixes/edits etc?
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 13, 2023, 10:43 PM
QuoteI mean, would you buy an album of nothing but special versions/remixes/edits etc?

i have no idea why anyone would buy recorded music at all anymore (no offense to those who do but i don't get it) but yeah back when i bought records i also bought outtakes and so on

i used to have a huge charlie parker vinyl box set that had tons of outtakes and half tracks and so on

but that's WHY i bought it - that's not like sonic youth throwing on "bubble gum" at the end of evol - those tracks are great but i already had the bonus tracks from eps i already owned on vinyl - i didn't want it on the cd even though it's great music because evol is already complete
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 09:59 AM
The surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd should've retired the band's name after the plane crash.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 17, 2023, 01:01 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 09:59 AMThe surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd should've retired the band's name after the plane crash.

i don't think there are any surviving original members now that rossington has died

but i know that's not what you're saying

to your point post-crash skynyrd is considerbly worse than jacksonville rivals 38 special and molly hatchet

they damaged their legacy so badly that it can be an uphill battle explaining how great they were

zeppelin is a band that did it right

the who are a band that did it very wrong
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Nimbly9 on Mar 17, 2023, 01:57 PM
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think early A Tribe Called Quest and P.M. Dawn and their jazzy ilk have aged better than most 90's rap. The latter especially were really out there for the era.  Might have to dig back into their '91 debut cause it had so many bangers.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 02:02 PM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 01:01 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 09:59 AMThe surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd should've retired the band's name after the plane crash.

i don't think there are any surviving original members now that rossington has died

but i know that's not what you're saying

to your point post-crash skynyrd is considerbly worse than jacksonville rivals 38 special and molly hatchet

they damaged their legacy so badly that it can be an uphill battle explaining how great they were

zeppelin is a band that did it right

the who are a band that did it very wrong


The Who definitely should've called it quits after Keith Moon died.

And (here's my controversial music opinion) possibly even before they recorded "Who Are You."
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 17, 2023, 02:13 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 02:02 PM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 01:01 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 09:59 AMThe surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd should've retired the band's name after the plane crash.

i don't think there are any surviving original members now that rossington has died

but i know that's not what you're saying

to your point post-crash skynyrd is considerbly worse than jacksonville rivals 38 special and molly hatchet

they damaged their legacy so badly that it can be an uphill battle explaining how great they were

zeppelin is a band that did it right

the who are a band that did it very wrong


The Who definitely should've called it quits after Keith Moon died.

And (here's my controversial music opinion) possibly even before they recorded "Who Are You."

i love that record but it's true there are hints in there that face dances was on the horizon maybe even in the "who who who who" chorus of the title track

and i like face dances but i still think it hurts their legacy- it should have been released under a different name - it's a fun record
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:40 PM
The biggest problem with The Who is Roger Daltrey.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 17, 2023, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:40 PMThe biggest problem with The Who is Roger Daltrey.

where do you think he falls short
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:49 PM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:40 PMThe biggest problem with The Who is Roger Daltrey.

where do you think he falls short

In the lead vocalist department.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Rubber Soul on Mar 17, 2023, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I think the Who should have called it a day after Who By Numbers. Even then you could see some of the aura fading but it's still a decent album. After that, you can forget it, though, and now Townshend and Daltrey look like a bad oldies show.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 03:38 PM
I just checked the track list for 'Who Are You' and I realized that "Trick of the Light" is on that album and that's one of my all-time favorite Who songs. I guess the title track ain't bad either, so I'll have to retract my previous statement.

Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:40 PMThe biggest problem with The Who is Roger Daltrey.

where do you think he falls short

How Tall is Roger Daltry? (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Roger-Daltrey-1621.html)

QuoteThat's how you feel as you're getting older. You used to walk down the street with cocky bravado and now it's, "I hope I don't get blown over!"

I'm not a tough guy, I'm just five-foot-four and a half of bloody muscle, that's all I am. (laughs) I am 75 years old and I don't bounce.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 03:41 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 17, 2023, 03:38 PMI just checked the track list for 'Who Are You' and I realized that "Trick of the Light" is on that album and that's one of my all-time favorite Who songs. I guess the title track ain't bad either, so I'll have to retract my previous statement.

Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:40 PMThe biggest problem with The Who is Roger Daltrey.

where do you think he falls short

How Tall is Roger Daltry? (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Roger-Daltrey-1621.html)

QuoteThat's how you feel as you're getting older. You used to walk down the street with cocky bravado and now it's, "I hope I don't get blown over!"

I'm not a tough guy, I'm just five-foot-four and a half of bloody muscle, that's all I am. (laughs) I am 75 years old and I don't bounce.


:laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 17, 2023, 03:55 PM
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Mar 17, 2023, 03:35 PMYeah, I think the Who should have called it a day after Who By Numbers. Even then you could see some of the aura fading but it's still a decent album. After that, you can forget it, though, and now Townshend and Daltrey look like a bad oldies show.

Who Are You and Who By Numbers both have excellent tracks but lack the phenomenal consistency of earlier releases

they're not legacy killers
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on Mar 17, 2023, 10:27 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 17, 2023, 02:40 PMThe biggest problem with The Who is Roger Daltrey.
absolutely
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Mar 21, 2023, 02:17 AM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 03:55 PM
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Mar 17, 2023, 03:35 PMYeah, I think the Who should have called it a day after Who By Numbers. Even then you could see some of the aura fading but it's still a decent album. After that, you can forget it, though, and now Townshend and Daltrey look like a bad oldies show.

Who Are You and Who By Numbers both have excellent tracks but lack the phenomenal consistency of earlier releases

they're not legacy killers

Who By Numbers is actually pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on Mar 21, 2023, 02:52 AM
Quote from: SGR on Mar 21, 2023, 02:17 AM
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 17, 2023, 03:55 PM
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Mar 17, 2023, 03:35 PMYeah, I think the Who should have called it a day after Who By Numbers. Even then you could see some of the aura fading but it's still a decent album. After that, you can forget it, though, and now Townshend and Daltrey look like a bad oldies show.

Who Are You and Who By Numbers both have excellent tracks but lack the phenomenal consistency of earlier releases

they're not legacy killers

Who By Numbers is actually pretty damn good.

i agree
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 03, 2023, 09:44 AM
Louis Armstrong sucks. Hot 5's and 7's was crap pop music when he released it and now it's garbage nostalgia. Hello Dolly! sucked then and now. What a Wonderful World is pollyanna bullshit. Dude was a clown and is the most overrated musician in American history. Miles and Coltrane grew from the seeds planted from Duke Ellington. The idea thar Armstrong and Ellington were earlier contemporaries like Diz and Bird is ridiculous. Armstrong shouldn't even be mentioned as being as good or as important as Duke Ellington.

Actually, this has been bothering me for years.

If you want to listen to early jazz please look to Ellington.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 03, 2023, 02:36 PM
I can't speak on importance, but I do agree on the Duke. Probably the GOAT of the pre-bebop era of jazz for me.

I think I've been a member of this here community for enough time that I can be comfortable sharing my hot takes. Here's a few.

Off the Wall is better than Thriller.

Heavy metal peaked in the 70s when it was just a bunch of stoners fuzzing it up.

Lil Jon is an incredible visionary who should be spoken of with the utmost reverence.

Morrissey's lyrics are corny to the max.

New age music is an incredibly broad, vibrant and evocative genre and I think a lot of its bad rap comes from the awful pseudoscience and fringe religion stuff that really has nothing to do with the actual music.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 03, 2023, 03:17 PM
QuoteLil Jon

a t l representin

we grew up in different parts of town but he's not actually from "da hood"

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Rubber Soul on May 03, 2023, 04:24 PM
Yeah, I would take the Duke over Satchmo anyday.

But in fairness to Satchmo, his style was more from the Dixieland pioneered by the likes of Scott Joplin and others while Ellington was truly embarking on what was then a new sound. Ellington at his best knew how to interpret moods and Mood Indigo is a good example of that. In fact I'd argue his 1930s output is superior to his better known 40's output. Armstrong, meanwhile, was going for the bright lights and I'm sure that affected his music to an extent (What a Wonderful World is a great song though).
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 03, 2023, 08:17 PM
OTW is definitely better than Thriller.

Music fans know this. The general public doesn't.

I will sound like a snob but I do not care  8)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on May 04, 2023, 03:10 PM
The Beatles 'White' album should've been whittled down and released as a single LP.

As it is, it sounds like a haphazard collection of songs that they wrote for the album mixed with leftover songs from various, previous recording sessions.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 04, 2023, 03:27 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on May 04, 2023, 03:10 PMThe Beatles 'White' album should've been whittled down and released as a single LP.

As it is, it sounds like a haphazard collection of songs that they wrote for the album mixed with leftover songs from various, previous recording sessions.

I 100% agree.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 04, 2023, 03:30 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on May 04, 2023, 03:10 PMThe Beatles 'White' album should've been whittled down and released as a single LP.

As it is, it sounds like a haphazard collection of songs that they wrote for the album mixed with leftover songs from various, previous recording sessions.

i've seen this criticism before and it wouldn't be controversial if no one disagreed

but i certainly do disagree

the rough fragmented sound when looked at from afar (since it's rarely apparent in the moment when the songs are considered independently) is a successful allegory for the fragmented fnature of human interactionism - plus, and people disagree with this I know, there's no filler on the white album (or any beatles album for that matter) there's really nothing that could be cut that wouldn't be a tragic loss imo

while i agree with you that it is in a way a "haphazard collection" i consider that a strength for the reasons above and another reason - it's a statement by the beatles that they are 4 individuals as well as a band which extends itself into being a statement in favor of non-conformity which was revolutionary at the time and became a cornerstone of much of the greatest rock'n'roll to come as well as pop music of any genre

but if that's your opinion as far as what you personally enjoy turn it into a playlist and knock some songs off of it

i might just listen to the psy-fi anti-deluxe edition myself

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 04, 2023, 04:24 PM
I think I could live without this song

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on May 04, 2023, 04:55 PM
Quote from: SGR on May 04, 2023, 04:24 PMI think I could live without this song


Has a nice Residents vibe
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 04, 2023, 05:31 PM
If nothing else I do give them credit for sticking 9 minutes of musique concrete sound collage into the middle of a pop album. I'm not a huge Beatles fan but that was pretty based, not gonna lie.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 04, 2023, 06:45 PM
Quote from: SGR on May 04, 2023, 04:24 PMI think I could live without this song


52 seconds of fragmentation- it's not a heavy ask for the listener and it has purpose

i like it to boot
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 04, 2023, 06:47 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 04, 2023, 05:31 PMIf nothing else I do give them credit for sticking 9 minutes of musique concrete sound collage into the middle of a pop album. I'm not a huge Beatles fan but that was pretty based, not gonna lie.

revolution 9 is one of the most important songs of all time
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on May 04, 2023, 11:04 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 03, 2023, 02:36 PMMorrissey's lyrics are corny to the max.

You mean songs like "You're the one for me, fatty" or "Girlfriend in a coma"?

He certainly seems to have a unique kind of brain. Corny is right. It makes his songs kinda fun, though :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 04, 2023, 11:34 PM
QuoteGirlfriend in a coma

it's serious

i like how he might be talking about the relationship or her condition

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on May 04, 2023, 11:44 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 04, 2023, 11:34 PMit's serious

i like how he might be talking about the relationship or her condition

I find it weird that he sings that there are times when he could've murdered/strangled her. It's not like extremely weird, but as Mrs. Waffles might say.. kinda corny!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 05, 2023, 12:32 AM
at worst it's funny

at best it's extraordinarily clever
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 05, 2023, 02:36 AM
When my wife and I get really drunk, we both sing "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" together.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 05, 2023, 02:47 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 05, 2023, 02:36 AMWhen my wife and I get really drunk, we both sing "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" together.

that's beautiful- what great song and what a great love song

god the smiths are great
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 05, 2023, 02:55 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 05, 2023, 02:36 AMWhen my wife and I get really drunk, we both sing "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" together.

Ahh, I love that!  :love:

I've definitely sang "Fly Me to the Moon" to my guy on drunken late nights, if we had an "our song" I think that might be the closest thing to it.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 05, 2023, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 05, 2023, 02:55 AMAhh, I love that!  :love:

I've definitely sang "Fly Me to the Moon" to my guy on drunken late nights, if we had an "our song" I think that might be the closest thing to it.

Not exactly a romantic type song, but my wife and I always seem to end up singing along with "Call Me Al" when we're driving long distance. On our little road trip last week, I think we sang it multiple times per day.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 05, 2023, 09:06 PM
Filles de Kilimanjaro could very well be the greatest Miles Davis album - also with the grooviest cover art:

(https://e.snmc.io/i/1200/s/ba35a82b632f6edf02af315f6b61e578/8947252)

It's got this strange, cerebral, teetering vibe that's unlike anything else he ever did. Any time I listen to it, I feel like it's exploring the inside of my brain.

Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 05, 2023, 02:55 AMI've definitely sang "Fly Me to the Moon" to my guy on drunken late nights, if we had an "our song" I think that might be the closest thing to it.

That's funny, Tony Bennett's rendition of that song was our first dance song. :)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 05, 2023, 10:07 PM
QuoteFilles de Kilimanjaro

my fave is sketches of spain

maybe it's just because they're both referencing a place but i tend to think of the two as sisters
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 05, 2023, 10:39 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 05, 2023, 10:07 PMmy fave is sketches of spain

maybe it's just because they're both referencing a place but i tend to think of the two as sisters

Yeah, they're definitely not sisters in terms of sound or style. Sketches of Spain is much closer to Porgy and Bess. All great albums though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 06, 2023, 02:21 AM
Oh yeah, also...

Let It Be is my favorite Beatles album.

(https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1491351430ra/22401424.gif)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 06, 2023, 02:42 AM
I've Got a Feeling is an incredible song.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Let it Be as a favorite. Naked is great and the original is great.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 06, 2023, 02:46 AM
I'm not a big Beatles person, but Sgt. Pepper probably has the most songs I like on it, plus it was the biggest influence on prog rock so it gets my vote.

As for Let It Be, I do like Two Of Us a lot, it's one I remember loving as a very young child.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 06, 2023, 02:55 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 06, 2023, 02:21 AMOh yeah, also...

Let It Be is my favorite Beatles album.

I prefer the Laibach version.


Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 06, 2023, 03:06 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 06, 2023, 02:55 AMI prefer the Laibach version.




Never even heard of this before - I'll have to listen. For those interested:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Be_(Laibach_album)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on May 11, 2023, 01:19 AM
Saw Peter Gabriel's Secret World concert video from 1993 today.

It was great! And it reminded me of an opinion I have that might be controversial.

Solo Peter Gabriel is awesome and much better than Genesis Peter Gabriel which was more often annoying and insufferable (like on Battle of Epping Forest).
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 11, 2023, 02:00 AM
...unlike the brilliant Genesis Phil Collins  ;D
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 11, 2023, 02:09 AM
The first two Genesis albums with Collins on vocals slap honestly.

And The Battle of Epping Forest is so interestingly divisive. I've always loved it but prog discourse online seems very split on it.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 11, 2023, 02:57 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 11, 2023, 02:09 AMThe first two Genesis albums with Collins on vocals slap honestly.

And The Battle of Epping Forest is so interestingly divisive. I've always loved it but prog discourse online seems very split on it.

i really love everything from trick to genesis genesis- but wind and wuthering is my favorite of those and my second favorite genesis record period behind lamb

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on May 11, 2023, 06:55 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 11, 2023, 02:09 AMThe first two Genesis albums with Collins on vocals slap honestly.

And The Battle of Epping Forest is so interestingly divisive. I've always loved it but prog discourse online seems very split on it.

It sometimes slaps for me, but I don't love PG's vocals in Genesis. It's weird because on songs like Steam or Solsbury Hill, I do.

I also struggle with Van Der Graaf Generator for similar reasons 🤔
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 12, 2023, 02:27 AM
I do not like, and have never liked Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody". One of the goofiest songs I've ever heard, despite liking other Queen songs and thinking that Mercury is a great frontman, I just don't get it. 

Galileo, Galileo! Mama mia, Mama mia!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 12, 2023, 02:32 AM
I did used to like it when I was about 12. But I agree with you. It's just utter nonsense.

Radio Gaga is probably my favourite song of theirs.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 02:34 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 12, 2023, 02:27 AMI do not like, and have never liked Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody". One of the goofiest songs I've ever heard, despite liking other Queen songs and thinking that Mercury is a great frontman, I just don't get it. 

Galileo, Galileo! Mama mia, Mama mia!

it is kind of ass clown bullshit

best friend is my JAM though
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 12, 2023, 02:53 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 12, 2023, 02:32 AMRadio Gaga is probably my favourite song of theirs.

This 100%.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 12, 2023, 02:58 AM
I don't dislike it, but any kind of power or artistry it may have once held has been dulled considerably by how overplayed, venerated and memed-on it has become. It's hard to think of it as just a song to be judged on its own merits; it's almost like an institution at this point.

The best thing to come out of that song is this, for my internet OGs out there:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 03:46 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 12, 2023, 02:53 AMThis 100%.

have yall ever heard the neil young record "trans"

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 12, 2023, 03:56 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 03:46 AMhave yall ever heard the neil young record "trans"



Yeah, I love that album. One of the best "boomer rocker discovers synthesizers" albums of that era.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 04:18 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 12, 2023, 03:56 AMYeah, I love that album. One of the best "boomer rocker discovers synthesizers" albums of that era.

locust abortion technician is the best gen-x rocker discovers synthesizers record
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 12, 2023, 04:22 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 12, 2023, 03:56 AMYeah, I love that album. One of the best "boomer rocker discovers synthesizers" albums of that era.

I mean, what about Killing Joke's Brighter Than a Thousand Sons? Technically, Jaz Coleman is a boomer (I think)


Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 12, 2023, 04:31 AM
I mean Killing Joke are great of course but I guess what I had in mind when I said "boomer rock" was more the generation of rock that came pre-new wave and synthpop, like Woodstock era.

A few examples of the "boomer rock + synths" category I was thinking about would be Queen's The Works, Jethro Tull's Broadsword and the Beast, all of Rush's material from Signals through Hold Your Fire, Springsteen's Born in the USA, to some extent ZZ Top's Eliminator, and one of my favorite 80s guilty pleasures, Bob Dylan's Empire Burlesque.

Edit: Oh and Zeppelin's In Through the Out Door and possibly Bowie's Low could count as early examples.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 12, 2023, 04:37 AM
In Through the Out Door is massively underrated.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 12, 2023, 04:39 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 12, 2023, 04:37 AMIn Through the Out Door is massively underrated.

Agreed. It also always makes me wonder what direction they would have gone in the 80s.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 07:07 AM
QuoteEmpire Burlesque

tight connection and dark eyes are both good enough to be on nashville skyline

QuoteKilling Joke

they say age is just a number, maybe maybe not but KJ are culturally very gen-x, of course

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 12, 2023, 07:24 AM
Quotetight connection and dark eyes are both good enough to be on nashville skyline

Yeah that album has some good songwriting but the production is just so ridiculous sounding, I do genuinely like it though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 07:34 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 12, 2023, 04:39 AMAgreed. It also always makes me wonder what direction they would have gone in the 80s.

yeah they all have interesting solo stuff that never seems to actualize its potential

if you've never listened to it i bet you'd like the death wish 2 ost by jimmy page

but one of the all time lost gems is page and plant's no quarter - i like it more than some zep albums and walking into clarksdale is underrated
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 12, 2023, 01:21 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 07:34 AMyeah they all have interesting solo stuff that never seems to actualize its potential

if you've never listened to it i bet you'd like the death wish 2 ost by jimmy page

but one of the all time lost gems is page and plant's no quarter - i like it more than some zep albums and walking into clarksdale is underrated

Thanks for the recs! I've never heard that soundtrack but I have heard and love his soundtrack for Lucifer Rising.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 12, 2023, 05:40 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 12, 2023, 01:21 PMThanks for the recs! I've never heard that soundtrack but I have heard and love his soundtrack for Lucifer Rising.

i've never heard LR or even heard of it and reading about it and the history of the soundtrack it definitely feels like it was a serious knowledge gap so thank you, sister

i'll let you know when i get around to listening to it
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lisnaholic on May 14, 2023, 01:22 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 12, 2023, 02:27 AMI do not like, and have never liked Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody". One of the goofiest songs I've ever heard, despite liking other Queen songs and thinking that Mercury is a great frontman, I just don't get it. 

Galileo, Galileo! Mama mia, Mama mia!

Yep, I think it would've been better with some better lyrics, but that goes for most of Queen's material, doesn't it? I want to ride my bicycle being an example of real cr*p lyrics imo.
When Bohemian Rhapsody came out it was famous for its video, which was pioneering in its sophistication. I like the rocking guitar sections of Boho R, but the borrowing of some dramatic tricks from the world of classical music puts me in mind of this Barry Ryan song from seven years earlier :-

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Rubber Soul on May 14, 2023, 12:55 PM
Barry Ryan didn't do much on the US charts but I have to admit Eloise is something of a guilty pleasure.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 17, 2023, 02:08 PM
This shouldn't even be controversial but GNR are worthless. Cinderella, Ratt, and Motley Crue are all much more original, entertaining, talented, and just way better. GNR are down there with Mars Volta and the only good LZ rip off is the white stripes.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 17, 2023, 02:25 PM
I hear a lot more Aerosmith in GNR than Led Zeppelin honestly. Maybe Axl's voice is more similar to Plant's but GNR always had that more sleazy, down and dirty vibe than any vibe I would associate with Zep.

I do think Motley Crue were the best of the big hair metal bands and Ratt are also hella underrated. Appetite is a great record but GNR's legacy isn't quite deserved IMO.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 17, 2023, 02:53 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 17, 2023, 02:25 PMI hear a lot more Aerosmith in GNR than Led Zeppelin honestly. Maybe Axl's voice is more similar to Plant's but GNR always had that more sleazy, down and dirty vibe than any vibe I would associate with Zep.

I do think Motley Crue were the best of the big hair metal bands and Ratt are also hella underrated. Appetite is a great record but GNR's legacy isn't quite deserved IMO.



those are good points

i get what you're saying in terms of the sleazy sound but in practice you can't outsleaze zep
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 17, 2023, 04:06 PM
I don't think any of those 3 bands are as great as GNR (Crue comes closest), but I'd like the list better if Ratt was replaced with W.A.S.P.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 17, 2023, 04:13 PM
i respect wasp
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 17, 2023, 05:43 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 17, 2023, 02:08 PMThis shouldn't even be controversial but GNR are worthless. Cinderella, Ratt, and Motley Crue are all much more original, entertaining, talented, and just way better. GNR are down there with Mars Volta and the only good LZ rip off is the white stripes.

Appetite for Destruction is better than all of that shit though so it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 02:50 AM
the idea that afd is anywhere even close to the cars debut is ridiculous

new maybe hot take: the melvins kind of suck
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 03:34 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 02:50 AMthe idea that afd is anywhere even close to the cars debut is ridiculous

Woah, woah - that wasn't what the conversation was...

But now that it is - AfD is kinda close to it. After all, Rolling Stone rated AfD higher.  :laughing:

Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 02:50 AMnew maybe hot take: the melvins kind of suck

Have to say...I kinda agree. Not sure what the consensus is on them around here. I'm happy that they helped influence better bands though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 03:35 AM
I love the Melvins' straight ahead sludgerock but they do have a lot of half-baked experimental stuff that I'm not so keen on.

Here's a possibly controversial take: Eminem always sucked. And I was there, I saw 8 Mile in theaters, I had a number of his songs where I completely memorized every lyric. But then I turned 18, I searched my feelings and I know it to be true: Eminem always sucked.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 03:49 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 03:35 AMI love the Melvins' straight ahead sludgerock but they do have a lot of half-baked experimental stuff that I'm not so keen on.

That's probably more fair. They've got some good stuff. But they've got just as much crap. They're a bit too hit or miss for me.

Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 03:35 AMHere's a possibly controversial take: Eminem always sucked. And I was there, I saw 8 Mile in theaters, I had a number of his songs where I completely memorized every lyric. But then I turned 18, I searched my feelings and I know it to be true: Eminem always sucked.

Gonna have to disagree with this one. I hate seeing people put him near the top of a 'best rappers' list as much as the next rap fan (because he has no business there), but he had a wide cultural influence. He was also largely responsible for bringing rap music to suburban white kids (following in the footsteps of the Beastie Boys before him). My dad absolutely hates rap music - and yet, I still remember him playing a compilation CD when he used to drive me to school back in 2002 and what song would he put on? Eminem's "Without Me". I still won't let him forget that he introduced me to rap (just to annoy him).

I would agree with either of the following:


Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 03:50 AM
he spits mad bars and pretty much everyone imitates him at least sometimes

but i don't think he's top 20
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 03:53 AM
QuoteHe was also largely responsible for bringing rap music to suburban white kids 

nwa did that but jay z claims he did

it was the celebration of black on black violence that skyrocketed hip hop in rich white suburbs
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 04:01 AM
I don't doubt that he had a wide influence. But there's such a large swath of "I don't like rap except for Eminem" people that I question whether that was even a net positive for rap sometimes.

I admit a lot of my dislike for him is up to my personal aesthetic preferences. I just find a lot of his lyrics whiny and juvenile, and not in a self-aware or charming way. And he's talented at rapping but he's also a big proponent of rapping pointlessly fast, which is just grating to me in almost every instance.

Stan is a masterpiece and I'll give him that and a few other songs. But he's an artist I'm very okay with leaving in 2002.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:05 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 03:53 AMnwa did that but jay z claims he did

it was the celebration of black on black violence that skyrocketed hip hop in rich white suburbs

To be fair, it might have been different depending on where you were. I don't think I ever heard kids in my school talk about rap (in my mostly white school) before Eminem became big, but NWA also predated me by a fair few years.

Yeah, I've heard that before about gangsta rap. That record labels bought into that concept big and it worked. Even back then, there were plenty of rap artists against glamorizing that lifestyle, like Public Enemy for example:

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 04:07 AM
I remember Will Smith's Big Willie Style being the hottest shit on the planet when I was in fourth grade.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 04:30 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 04:07 AMI remember Will Smith's Big Willie Style being the hottest shit on the planet when I was in fourth grade.

I remember DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince's "Parents Just Don't Understand" being the hottest shit on the planet when I was in fifth grade. 8)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 04:35 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 04:30 AMI remember DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince's "Parents Just Don't Understand" being the hottest shit on the planet when I was in fifth grade. 8)

i'm definitely older than you

that sanford and son underwater bit is a hip
hop classic and slapping chris rock was five star television
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 04:38 AM
Controversial opinion: The Smiths had some good songs, but none of their albums are good from start to finish.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 04:39 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 04:38 AMControversial opinion: The Smiths had some good songs, but none of their albums are good from start to finish.

Agreed. They were understandably influential but they're not even in my top 50 of 80s alt/indie/post-punk/whatever bands.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:39 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 04:01 AMI don't doubt that he had a wide influence. But there's such a large swath of "I don't like rap except for Eminem" people that I question whether that was even a net positive for rap sometimes.

I admit a lot of my dislike for him is up to my personal aesthetic preferences. I just find a lot of his lyrics whiny and juvenile, and not in a self-aware or charming way. And he's talented at rapping but he's also a big proponent of rapping pointlessly fast, which is just grating to me in almost every instance.

Stan is a masterpiece and I'll give him that and a few other songs. But he's an artist I'm very okay with leaving in 2002.

But what's less visible is the number of people who are big fans of rap who got into it through Eminem. Agreed that those people are annoying though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 04:41 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:39 AMBut what's less visible is the number of people who are big fans of rap who got into it through Eminem. Agreed that those people are annoying though.

Fair enough!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:41 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 04:39 AMAgreed. They were understandably influential but they're not even in my top 50 of 80s alt/indie/post-punk/whatever bands.

Not even in the top 50? Yeesh! Now I want to see your list.  :laughing:

Most of their albums usually have a dud or two, but The Queen Is Dead is pretty close to great all the way through - the only song that really feels slightly redundant is "Never Had No One Ever", but it lasts for all of 3 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 04:44 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:41 AMNot even in the top 50? Yeesh! Now I want to see your list.  :laughing:

Most of their albums usually have a dud or two, but The Queen Is Dead is pretty close to great all the way through - the only song that really feels slightly redundant is "Never Had No One Ever", but it lasts for all of 3 minutes or so.

Heh, maybe that is a bit extreme. I honestly don't listen to a whole lot of stuff in that sphere these days regardless. I do admit that I sometimes let my distaste for Morrissey as a person color my opinion on their music.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:52 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 04:44 AMHeh, maybe that is a bit extreme. I honestly don't listen to a whole lot of stuff in that sphere these days regardless. I do admit that I sometimes let my distaste for Morrissey as a person color my opinion on their music.

Yeah, separating art from artist can be difficult sometimes. But Morrissey never lied. He was a miserable bastard back then, and he still he is.  :laughing:

The Smiths will always have a special place in my heart though due to my sentimental connections with their music.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 04:55 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 04:39 AMAgreed. They were understandably influential but they're not even in my top 50 of 80s alt/indie/post-punk/whatever bands.

girl, you've lost your goddamn mind
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 04:56 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 04:39 AMAgreed. They were understandably influential but they're not even in my top 50 of 80s alt/indie/post-punk/whatever bands.

It's possible they'd crack the top 50 for me, but I don't think so. I know it's popular for everyone to shit on U2 these days, but I would argue that the tracks from Joshua Tree alone add up to more good songs than The Smiths entire output.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 04:59 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 04:56 AMIt's possible they'd crack the top 50 for me, but I don't think so. I know it's popular for everyone to shit on U2 these days, but I would argue that the tracks from Joshua Tree alone add up to more good songs than The Smiths entire output.

it took me a long time to find a good psychiatrist but it's really worth it
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 04:55 AMgirl, you've lost your goddamn mind

Haha, I've got more spicy takes where that came from. For example: The Fall are the most frustrating band of the 80s for me because they have pretty consistently great riffs and instrumentals but then Mark E. Smith comes in with the vocals and absolutely ruins it.

And now you know why I didn't post on MB for 15 years!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 04:59 AMit took me a long time to find a good psychiatrist but it's really worth it

I know it can be hard for Smiths fans, but I'm glad you have someone in your corner to help you come to terms with the truth.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 05:04 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AMHaha, I've got more spicy takes where that came from. For example: The Fall are the most frustrating band of the 80s for me because they have pretty consistently great riffs and instrumentals but then Mark E. Smith comes in with the vocals and absolutely ruins it.

And now you know why I didn't post on MB for 15 years!

goddamn

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 05:04 AM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AMI know it can be hard for Smiths fans, but I'm glad you have someone in your corner to help you come to terms with the truth.

lol

good comeback
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 05:05 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AMHaha, I've got more spicy takes where that came from. For example: The Fall are the most frustrating band of the 80s for me because they have pretty consistently great riffs and instrumentals but then Mark E. Smith comes in with the vocals and absolutely ruins it.

And now you know why I didn't post on MB for 15 years!

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Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 05:09 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AMHaha, I've got more spicy takes where that came from. For example: The Fall are the most frustrating band of the 80s for me because they have pretty consistently great riffs and instrumentals but then Mark E. Smith comes in with the vocals and absolutely ruins it.

And now you know why I didn't post on MB for 15 years!

More seriously, how deeply have you explored them? It might help if you reframe and think of their music not as songs but instead as incantations. Sounds like total bullshit, and maybe it is - but their music does hypnotize me, and MES's lyrics/vocals are a big part of the formula:



Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 05:14 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 24, 2023, 05:09 AMMore seriously, how deeply have you explored them? It might help if you reframe and think of their music not as songs but instead as incantations. Sounds like total bullshit, and maybe it is - but their music does hypnotize me, and MES's lyrics/vocals are a big part of the formula:





I'll give it a shot! I've listened to everything from their debut through Hex Enduction Hour and a smattering of tracks after that, though none of it super recently.

Like I said I do like a lot of elements of their music, I just never vibed with the angry British man ranting over them. But I'm always open to having my mind changed!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 05:26 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 05:14 AMI'll give it a shot! I've listened to everything from their debut through Hex Enduction Hour and a smattering of tracks after that, though none of it super recently.

Like I said I do like a lot of elements of their music, I just never vibed with the angry British man ranting over them. But I'm always open to having my mind changed!

Fair enough - I completely understand why they're not for everyone, but they're definitely my favorite band - and believe it or not, they actually got a little more easily digestible (at least in some songs) in their later era, this song for example:


But they also didn't abandon their formula of unique weirdness which can be seen on this 2013 track - I don't know of a Fall song in which Mark's entrance to the song is more jarring:

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 05:33 AM
their discography is so intimidating that i basically settled on the compilation

50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 05:34 AM
honestly i think i might do a full week of nothing but the fall sometime this summer
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 05:35 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 05:34 AMhonestly i think i might do a full week of nothing but the fall sometime this summer

Why do it in the summer, when you can wait and do it in... the fall?
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 05:48 AM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 05:33 AMtheir discography is so intimidating that i basically settled on the compilation

50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong

For some reason, I thought you'd heard most of it.

I've listened to every record (repeatedly), own most of them on CD, own all but 3 on vinyl - it's an incredibly rewarding discography and unlike some bands, they never have a point after which they massively 'fall' off, so to say. Definitely all worth hearing at least once.

My recent discography goal that I finally trekked through was Miles Davis - he has even more studio albums than The Fall believe it or not. And the quality is definitely more spotty.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on May 24, 2023, 09:41 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on May 24, 2023, 05:01 AMHaha, I've got more spicy takes where that came from. For example: The Fall are the most frustrating band of the 80s for me because they have pretty consistently great riffs and instrumentals but then Mark E. Smith comes in with the vocals and absolutely ruins it.

And now you know why I didn't post on MB for 15 years!
I'm shook lol
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 11:44 AM
Quote from: SGR on May 24, 2023, 05:48 AMFor some reason, I thought you'd heard most of it.

I've listened to every record (repeatedly), own most of them on CD, own all but 3 on vinyl - it's an incredibly rewarding discography and unlike some bands, they never have a point after which they massively 'fall' off, so to say. Definitely all worth hearing at least once.

My recent discography goal that I finally trekked through was Miles Davis - he has even more studio albums than The Fall believe it or not. And the quality is definitely more spotty.

i haven't systematically listened to every release in their discography but i should - i respect that you've spent so much time with them

ngl i used to be absolutely disgusted with some of miles' 80's releases but now i think they're good but not great

miles' rejection of the avant garde eventually hurt his artistic legacy unless you simply don't factor that stuff in and tbh i really don't-

i just look the other way kind of like you have to do with bob dylan

they're both very deferential to other musicians and sometimes at their own expense

dylan didn't gaf and miles was too arrogant to see it -

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 11:45 AM
QuoteFor some reason, I thought you'd heard most of it

i have listened to most of it btw
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 12:18 PM
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wow

if i do go on a fall expedition this summer i'll take this with me

that magazine has provided me with so much guidance
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 01:29 PM
Eminem has great rapping skills but doesn't make good music.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 01:39 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 01:29 PMEminem has great rapping skills but doesn't make good music.

I like some of his music, but it's entirely dependent on who he's working with. Same as Snoop.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 01:49 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 01:39 PMI like some of his music, but it's entirely dependent on who he's working with. Same as Snoop.

Which people do you think he works well with? Cos he's made a lot of crap music with Dr Dre imo (Eminem, not Snoop).

Snoop and the Neptunes were pretty good, other than the obvious Doggystyle.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on May 24, 2023, 02:09 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 01:49 PMWhich people do you think he works well with? Cos he's made a lot of crap music with Dr Dre imo (Eminem, not Snoop).

Snoop and the Neptunes were pretty good, other than the obvious Doggystyle.

Just Dre I guess. To be honest, it's been like twenty years since I paid much attention to Eminem, but I did like The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP back in the day.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 03:53 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 11:44 AMi haven't systematically listened to every release in their discography but i should - i respect that you've spent so much time with them

ngl i used to be absolutely disgusted with some of miles' 80's releases but now i think they're good but not great

miles' rejection of the avant garde eventually hurt his artistic legacy unless you simply don't factor that stuff in and tbh i really don't-

i just look the other way kind of like you have to do with bob dylan

they're both very deferential to other musicians and sometimes at their own expense

dylan didn't gaf and miles was too arrogant to see it -



Some of Miles later-era stuff are guilty pleasures of mine. For example, if I just need some background music that my mind can zone out to while I do some other task, Tutu actually is pretty good. There's also this track that I enjoy without guilt. It's just too smooth:


But yeah, by the end, it became difficult to tell if he was trying to chase trends (You're Under Arrest with covers of Michael Jackson and Cyndi Lauper) or was actually trying to innovate, but what was clear is that even until the end of his life, he was always willing to try something new - and I gotta say I respect that a lot.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 03:59 PM
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 12:18 PM(https://i.postimg.cc/9QWGzfLk/C3-C40-C8-C-69-D3-465-A-853-D-9-DD8-ADC9-F61-D.png)

wow

if i do go on a fall expedition this summer i'll take this with me

that magazine has provided me with so much guidance

If you want something really great to read alongside an exploration of their discography, check this book out that was released a year or so ago by Steve Pringle. I used to frequent a forum of Fall fans and he was a regular member. He actually signed my copy of the book. He used to have a blog called "You Must Get Them All" and he's essentially compiled that into a big fat book of Falldom. It covers every album, single, EP, lineup change, controversy, and it even tells you how many times each song was played live and when it was last played. It's hands-down the best book on The Fall I've ever read, and I've read a few (MES's biography, Brix's biography, 'The Fallen', etc.)

https://www.route-online.com/all-books/you-must-get-them-all

US Amazon link:
https://www.amazon.com/Book-9781901927900/dp/1901927903/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ZN2PPV9B4UTR&keywords=You+Must+Get+Them+All%3A+The+Fall+On+Record&qid=1684936807&sprefix=you+must+get+them+all+the+fall+on+record%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:07 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 01:49 PMWhich people do you think he works well with? Cos he's made a lot of crap music with Dr Dre imo (Eminem, not Snoop).

Snoop and the Neptunes were pretty good, other than the obvious Doggystyle.

Snoop's time with No Limit was pretty spotty in terms of quality, but his last album with the label, Tha Last Meal is actually really underrated. The production was the primary reason. Unlike his two records, it's not all in-house label production efforts, they also brought in guys like Dre and Timbaland. This Timbaland beat still slaps:

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 04:39 PM
Quote from: SGR on May 24, 2023, 04:07 PMSnoop's time with No Limit was pretty spotty in terms of quality, but his last album with the label, Tha Last Meal is actually really underrated. The production was the primary reason. Unlike his two records, it's not all in-house label production efforts, they also brought in guys like Dre and Timbaland. This Timbaland beat still slaps:


Had this tune in my head for the past day or two, was thinking about the music video with the big shoe in it.

Weird.

Yeah I bought the album when it came out mate. It was just average imo. Snoop has got quite a few great tunes, but lacks quality control over an entire album. Other than the obvious one.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 09:36 PM
Not worth it's own thread but Big L's lyrics weren't very woke were they?

Just listened to All Black :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on May 24, 2023, 09:42 PM
I do generally agree on Snoop's post-Doggystyle career. Plenty of great songs but very spotty on the whole. I do have a lot of nostalgia for his mid-aughts period when he was working with Pharrell a lot.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 10:30 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 09:36 PMNot worth it's own thread but Big L's lyrics weren't very woke were they?

Just listened to All Black :laughing:

his murder is still "unsolved"

the nypd killed him

every unsolved hip hop death was a cop and most of the ones they pretended to solve were also cops

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 10:32 PM
Why would the NYPD kill him?

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 10:38 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 10:32 PMWhy would the NYPD kill him?



because he openly bragged about killing the police

and the police don't need a reason

they kill people for the same reason ted bundy did
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 10:46 PM
Na.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Toy Revolver on May 24, 2023, 11:09 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 10:46 PMNa.

there's hundreds of examples caught on video but ok
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 24, 2023, 11:31 PM
I don't think the police killed Big L because they didn't like his lyrics.

I don't think every rapper's unsolved murder is because they were killed by police.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on May 25, 2023, 08:40 PM
Forgot Renegade. Eminem was good on that.

Renegade
Stan
Role Model
Rock Bottom
I'm Back
Lose Yourself

These are good songs.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on May 28, 2023, 04:06 PM
Jewish groups and city officials plan protest against Roger Waters concert in Frankfurt (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/jewish-groups-city-officials-plan-protest-roger-waters-99660738)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on May 29, 2023, 02:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 25, 2023, 08:40 PMForgot Renegade. Eminem was good on that.

Renegade
Stan
Role Model
Rock Bottom
I'm Back
Lose Yourself

These are good songs.

I love The Blueprint, and that song is decent, but it always comes across as jarring to me because it's so obviously an Eminem song placed near the end of a Jay-Z album. It's always struck me as out of place when compared to the soulful Kanye/Just Blaze beats.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jun 16, 2023, 09:40 PM
Not controversial but it annoys me.

The amount of Hip Hop albums that are released where the artwork is a baby photo of the artist (or a portrayal of that, for example Biggie).

I believe it was a Jazz album that originally started it but Nas was the first to do this in Hip Hop. Biggie copied him and now everyone is at it. Even British rappers. I've just seen the cover for the new Killer Mike album and that's what made me post.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Jun 17, 2023, 12:35 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Jun 16, 2023, 09:40 PMNot controversial but it annoys me.

The amount of Hip Hop albums that are released where the artwork is a baby photo of the artist (or a portrayal of that, for example Biggie).

I believe it was a Jazz album that originally started it but Nas was the first to do this in Hip Hop. Biggie copied him and now everyone is at it. Even British rappers. I've just seen the cover for the new Killer Mike album and that's what made me post.



I can't think of that many that do that.

You remember the late '90s No Limit and Cash Money album covers? Compared to those, baby pictures seem like a preferable alternative.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jun 17, 2023, 12:46 AM
Quote from: SGR on Jun 17, 2023, 12:35 AMI can't think of that many that do that.

You remember the late '90s No Limit and Cash Money album covers? Compared to those, baby pictures seem like a preferable alternative.

Just off the top of my head:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Kid,_M.A.A.D_City

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tha_Carter_III

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_to_Die

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(Killer_Mike_album)

UK:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_with_a_Cause_(album)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._Inspired

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten10_(album)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raskit
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jun 17, 2023, 03:18 AM
Quote from: SGR on Jun 17, 2023, 12:35 AMI can't think of that many that do that.

You remember the late '90s No Limit and Cash Money album covers? Compared to those, baby pictures seem like a preferable alternative.

Those were the worst.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jun 17, 2023, 04:18 AM
This one is a masterpiece of that style though.
(https://i.ibb.co/dpP9X4c/0-TYG-MSba-Lw-Mpk-HX5.jpg)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jun 17, 2023, 04:24 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Jun 17, 2023, 04:18 AMThis one is a masterpiece of that style though.
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This one too:

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Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Jun 17, 2023, 04:04 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Jun 17, 2023, 04:24 AMThis one too:

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This album is actually pretty damn good. Gotta love Kool Keith.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jun 17, 2023, 10:42 PM
Quote from: SGR on Jun 17, 2023, 04:04 PMThis album is actually pretty damn good. Gotta love Kool Keith.

Definitely! It's one of my favorite albums by him. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: tristan_geoff on Jun 18, 2023, 10:52 AM
No music is "bad"
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jun 18, 2023, 12:28 PM
Sandanista! by the Clash, should've been trimmed down to a single LP. As it is, it's 1 LP's worth of great songs with 2 LP's worth of mediocre padding added.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jun 18, 2023, 12:53 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Jun 18, 2023, 12:28 PMSandanista! by the Clash, should've been trimmed down to a single LP. As it is, it's 1 LP's worth of great songs with 2 LP's worth of mediocre padding added.

There are a lot of double/triple albums like that for me, one classic example being the Smashing Pumpkins' Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. But really in this day and age it's mostly a non-issue since I can just make a custom playlist of only the songs I like from any given album.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Jun 26, 2023, 12:39 AM
A deeply boring record. They're such an anonymous band without Syd's magic charisma 


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Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jun 26, 2023, 01:09 AM
I like that album but I don't really love it. I would rank at least 3-4 other Pink Floyd albums above it easily. Though I'm also not a huge fan of the Syd era either.

Here's a potentially hot take: The Grateful Dead are really boring, and that includes their live performances. I'm not necessarily anti-noodling, but I need my noodling to be over interesting music and endless jammy solos over lukewarm bluegrassy rock just bores the tits off of me.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on Jun 26, 2023, 07:15 PM
I like Dark Side of the Moon more than most Pink Floyd albums but it's really overrated and the Syd Barrett era is much, much better
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jun 26, 2023, 07:25 PM
Quote from: Marie Monday on Jun 26, 2023, 07:15 PMI like Dark Side of the Moon more than most Pink Floyd albums but it's really overrated and the Syd Barrett era is much, much better

This is such a commonly stated controversial opinion that I think it's actually the Syd era that's now overrated.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on Jun 26, 2023, 07:56 PM
fair enough!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jun 26, 2023, 08:25 PM
In my experience Dark Side is overrated by boomer classic rock fans and the Syd era is overrated by hipsters.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jun 26, 2023, 08:48 PM
DSOTM is great but you need to cut some shit off it. When the music gets going I love it but there's too much rubbish in there for the 'concept'.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Jun 26, 2023, 11:56 PM
DSOTM is a 10/10 and it's better than anything from the Syd era by far.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Jul 04, 2023, 06:03 AM
OK Computer has a few great songs but overall it's not that great. The sound and production are stunning but not the songwriting. Very overrated. Both The Bends and Kid A/Amnesiac have better material.

The Great British Late-90s Album is Blur's 13
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on Jul 04, 2023, 07:34 AM
They're boring, cookie cutter opinions and these albums don't need me to defend them, but for the sake of adding something to this, I like both DSOTM and Ok Computer.

Besides the fitter, happier monologue, Ok has no fillers. It's all great and quite the achievement to my ears.

My controversial opinion of the day: Blues is very boring!
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: tristan_geoff on Jul 04, 2023, 09:16 AM
Blues is fundamental to a lot of music but generally straight up blues is always the same song with little variation so I get that take, but another question is whether early jazz is boring?
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jul 04, 2023, 12:15 PM
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Jul 04, 2023, 09:16 AMBlues is fundamental to a lot of music but generally straight up blues is always the same song with little variation so I get that take, but another question is whether early jazz is boring?

Depends on how early. Like the really formative stuff from the 20s tends to be too old-timey for me even if it is a fascinating historical document. But big band and swing from the 30s and early 40s? That is very much my shit and I prefer it to the bebop and free jazz that came after.

And OK Computer is fine for what it is, I'm just not huge on Radiohead's sound or songwriting in general. They have their moments though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Jul 04, 2023, 06:50 PM
Quote from: jadis on Jul 04, 2023, 06:03 AMThe Great British Late-90s Album is Blur's 13

Interesting take - and indeed a great album.

But I'd slot in Pulp's This is Hardcore as the Great British Late-90s Album in favor of 13 myself.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jul 04, 2023, 08:15 PM
Quote from: jadis on Jul 04, 2023, 06:03 AMOK Computer has a few great songs but overall it's not that great. The sound and production are stunning but not the songwriting. Very overrated. Both The Bends and Kid A/Amnesiac have better material.

I totally agree. I like a decent amount of individual Radiohead songs, but Kid A and Amnesiac are the only two albums of theirs that I like.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Jul 04, 2023, 10:05 PM
Kid A? Amnesiac?!

Hail to the Thief is the most interesting, compelling and varied Radiohead album. A perfect combination of their sound and aesthetics from the OK Computer era and the Kid A/Amnesiac electronic era.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jul 05, 2023, 02:06 AM
Quote from: SGR on Jul 04, 2023, 10:05 PMHail to the Thief is the most interesting, compelling and varied Radiohead album. A perfect combination of their sound and aesthetics from the OK Computer era and the Kid A/Amnesiac electronic era.

When Hail to the Thief came out, a friend of mine burned me a copy and I listened to it maybe twice. For me the fact that it harkened back to OK Computer was not a positive thing.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jul 05, 2023, 03:12 AM
Kid A is a pretty good album, and I appreciate them taking that direction; I'm sure it introduced a lot of rock listeners to electronic music and opened a lot of minds. Must have been a heck of a head scratcher for fans back then. I wouldn't know, I was 11 years old and the world's number one Limp Bizkit fan in 2000.

Hail to the Thief is the kind of Radiohead sound that doesn't really do much for me. I admit it's been over a decade since I listened to it though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jul 05, 2023, 04:39 PM
Opinion: people who employ an extreme amount of vibrato in their singing, like Joan Baez, are borderline unlistenable.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jul 05, 2023, 05:29 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 05, 2023, 04:39 PMOpinion: people who employ an extreme amount of vibrato in their singing, like Joan Baez, are borderline unlistenable.

I think for me it depends on the vocalist. David Bowie had a distinctive vibrato that I don't love all the time but it's just a part of the character of his voice. Not familiar with Baez outside of knowing "Diamonds and Rust" though.

My vocal opinion: Emo and pop punk vocals are fine and fitting for those genres, and criticizing them as "whiny" is kind of like criticizing gangsta rappers for sounding like tough guys or criticizing goth singers for sounding dramatic and spooky. Being whiny is kind of the point.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on Jul 05, 2023, 07:10 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 05, 2023, 04:39 PMOpinion: people who employ an extreme amount of vibrato in their singing, like Joan Baez, are borderline unlistenable.

I'd agree with Joan Baez, but then I like it when Brian Ferry does it 🤔
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Gandalf on Jul 05, 2023, 09:53 PM
Swans' post-2010 albums are a little bit boring and not that great. I mean they're decent, but not at the standard of their 80's and 90's output.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jul 25, 2023, 12:07 AM
Lauryn Hill's album is bang average really. As well as being very corny.

People give it too much credit cos its the only one she made.

Has to be one of the most overrated albums of the past 30 years or so.

See it making greatest of all time lists and I just think na.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Seven on Jul 25, 2023, 03:02 AM
Unpopular opinion: The Ramones weren't the definitive American punk band, but the Misfits were.

Anyway, I just can't enjoy the Ramones songs like almost everyone that I know enjoy.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Jul 25, 2023, 02:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Jul 25, 2023, 12:07 AMLauryn Hill's album is bang average really. As well as being very corny.

People give it too much credit cos its the only one she made.

Has to be one of the most overrated albums of the past 30 years or so.

See it making greatest of all time lists and I just think na.

100%. She's not particularly musically gifted imho. I remember that a friend of mine who worked at a record store once popped on her unplugged session and it was horrendous. 

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: GD on Jul 26, 2023, 07:31 PM
Not sure if I talked about this on MB before, but – Animal Collective? Annoying-ass band. Yet to hear a single release from them I've thoroughly enjoyed
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Oh, and as for the discussion at the top of the page, you're all wrong bc the best Radiohead is In Rainbows ;)
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Jul 26, 2023, 07:39 PM
Quote from: GD on Jul 26, 2023, 07:31 PMNot sure if I talked about this on MB before, but – Animal Collective? Annoying-ass band. Yet to hear a single release from them I've thoroughly enjoyed
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Oh, and as for the discussion at the top of the page, you're all wrong bc the best Radiohead is In Rainbows ;)

ANCO's best known song, My Girls, is annoying and not that good but they've done some gorgeous music

This one gives me goosebumps

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: GD on Jul 26, 2023, 07:52 PM
Quote from: jadis on Jul 26, 2023, 07:39 PMANCO's best known song, My Girls, is annoying and not that good but they've done some gorgeous music

This one gives me goosebumps


See, my problem with songs like that one is that I really like how it starts out with the instrumentation and production, but the whole track takes a major nosedive as it progresses, in large part due to the vocals. Who on earth thought it was a good idea for the singer (Avey or Panda Bear or whoever) to start making baby sounds at some point after the 6-minute mark??
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jadis on Jul 26, 2023, 07:53 PM
I thought so. Me
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: GD on Jul 26, 2023, 09:07 PM
Quote from: jadis on Jul 26, 2023, 07:53 PMI thought so. Me

Well, thanks for fessing up and letting me know who to blame then  :P

But seriously, I kind of think MPP is the most tolerable album they've recorded (of the ones I've heard), because even though it mostly sounds like basic indietronica with some weird sounds on top, it at least doesn't make me want to tear my hair out, unlike some of their earlier stuff. A shame really, because on paper a lot of what they do should appeal to me but alas, I just can't get into it
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Jul 26, 2023, 09:11 PM
I like Panda Bear but I could never get into the collective.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on Jul 26, 2023, 11:32 PM
Same
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jul 27, 2023, 01:24 AM
MPP is alright, but as someone who was getting super immersed in psychedelic and experimental electronic music around that time, it just never impressed me that much. I was onto way more mind melting stuff at the time so I was always probably going to be underwhelmed. I get the appeal though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Jul 27, 2023, 03:33 AM
Just forget about Animal Collective and listen to The Knife instead

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Jul 27, 2023, 04:23 AM
The Knife rule, yeah. I didn't really pay them attention until their final (?) album dropped in 2013 and I immediately kicked myself for not getting into them sooner. Silent Shout is such a dope album.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Gandalf on Jul 31, 2023, 09:54 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Jul 27, 2023, 04:23 AMThe Knife rule, yeah. I didn't really pay them attention until their final (?) album dropped in 2013 and I immediately kicked myself for not getting into them sooner. Silent Shout is such a dope album.
Silent Shout is amazing. Shaking the Habitual is an album that I've come to appreciate more since its release, the percussion on the album is from a different universe.

Also, Person Pitch by Panda Bear is streets ahead of any AC album.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Sep 01, 2023, 07:12 PM
Compton is better than 2001.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Sep 01, 2023, 09:06 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Sep 01, 2023, 07:12 PMCompton is better than 2001.


I don't remember if I listened to Compton or not, but 2001 had a lot of fluff.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Sep 01, 2023, 09:19 PM
Quote from: SGR on Sep 01, 2023, 09:06 PMI don't remember if I listened to Compton or not, but 2001 had a lot of fluff.

Agreed, a lot of people really think it's a classic. I don't think it's all that tbh. It was good for it's time.

Compton has no big single but is way better imo. Maybe people are being tricked by the singles from 2001. First seven tracks are great then there is a big drop in quality for me.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Sep 01, 2023, 09:30 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Sep 01, 2023, 09:19 PMAgreed, a lot of people really think it's a classic. I don't think it's all that tbh. It was good for it's time.

Compton has no big single but is way better imo. Maybe people are being tricked by the singles from 2001. First seven tracks are great then there is a big drop in quality for me.



I agree, the singles from 2001 were huge for middle school me and still bang to this day, but most of the rest of that album is pretty patchy.

I've never actually listened to Compton though.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Sep 01, 2023, 09:32 PM
Compton was very good. Really well put together. I'd recommend it.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Nimbly9 on Sep 04, 2023, 10:07 PM
If ya'll love The Knife I'd recommend checking out anything by Louis Cole and his other group KNOWER.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Sep 04, 2023, 10:19 PM
Quote from: Nimbly9 on Sep 04, 2023, 10:07 PMIf ya'll love The Knife I'd recommend checking out anything by Louis Cole and his other group KNOWER.

Thank you! I actually started a thread.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 04:23 AM
Not wishing to cause a flamewar.  It's happened when I voice the following opinion:

Most fandom appears to be more cult of celebrity based than actually liking the music.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Guybrush on Nov 09, 2023, 08:01 AM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 04:23 AMNot wishing to cause a flamewar.  It's happened when I voice the following opinion:

Most fandom appears to be more cult of celebrity based than actually liking the music.

Sometimes, maybe? I can sorta see it for Black Flag or maybe Taylor Swift, but less so for Gentle Giant or Daft Punk.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 10:42 AM
Quote from: Guybrush on Nov 09, 2023, 08:01 AMSometimes, maybe? I can sorta see it for Black Flag or maybe Taylor Swift, but less so for Gentle Giant or Daft Punk.

Yeah I think that's referring more to "stan" culture. I get that feeling a lot from the K-pop fandom. But there have always been less musically interested fans who like the musicians' personalities and aesthetics. I grew up in the 90s boyband era and I never heard much from my peers praising the Backstreet Boys for their actual music. People also like drama and following artists who comment on personal events in their music, like in the case of rap beefs.

And Black Flag I feel fall more into the category where people wear their merch as a fashion statement rather than having much interest in the band. The Ramones are another classic example.

It's definitely a thing. I don't resent anyone for it, everyone has different ways of engaging with music. My husband, for example, only listens to whatever's on the radio. He still likes music, he just doesn't go any deeper than the surface level and doesn't really care to learn about more obscure/underground artists or the concepts we associate with deeper music appreciation. Not everyone is as nerdy about music as us, haha. And that's perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 09, 2023, 12:51 PM
Radiohead is overrated.
Tool is now overrated (post Aenema).
Most musicians who died before they turned 30 are overrated (exception being Jimi Hendrix).
Belle and Sebastian are terrible.
Matchbox 20 are awful.
Nickelback is better than pretty much any other rock band in the last 20 years.
Converge are terrible.
80's pop is overrated.
90's pop is a delight.
Pearl Jam are the most overrated band in history.
Lana Del Rey songs all sound the same. They all sound dreary.
Everclear songs all sound the same. Some were even slightly OK.
Merzbow is significantly underrated because if I was wanting to send someone insane I know which resource to play on repeat 24/7 for an entire week to achieve the desired result.

Kaboom !!  :laughing:




Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 09, 2023, 03:59 PM
Sonic Youth were terrible.
The Pixies are overrated
Limp Bizkit is underrated.
Pink Floyd is severely overrated.
Dream Theatre are terrible.
Musicians who regularly moan about the musicians life in their lyrics are pretentious and annoying. Go get a job at a convenience store or a factory if its so hard doing it.
Rap beefs are severely beta unless someone gets puts in a hospital or the morgue.
Lars Ulrichs drumming isn't as bad as some people make out.
Bad Brains is still better than 99% of all punk bands.
Fugazi is overrated.

 :laughing:


Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 04:12 PM
I agree on your Sonic Youth, Pixies and Limp Bizkit takes, but with all due respect, your Nickelback take fried my brain. Having that opinion is just unimaginable to me. :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 04:28 PM
Quote from: Meatwad on Nov 09, 2023, 12:51 PMRadiohead is overrated.
Tool is now overrated (post Aenema).
Most musicians who died before they turned 30 are overrated (exception being Jimi Hendrix).
Belle and Sebastian are terrible.
Matchbox 20 are awful.
Nickelback is better than pretty much any other rock band in the last 20 years.
Converge are terrible.
80's pop is overrated.
90's pop is a delight.
Pearl Jam are the most overrated band in history.
Lana Del Rey songs all sound the same. They all sound dreary.
Everclear songs all sound the same. Some were even slightly OK.
Merzbow is significantly underrated because if I was wanting to send someone insane I know which resource to play on repeat 24/7 for an entire week to achieve the desired result.

Kaboom !!  :laughing:






I don't know man, Pearl Jam are the most overrated band in history? I can think of 10 or 15 bands off the top of my head that I think are more overrated.

And I'd sub out your Lana Del Rey opinion for Billie Eilish.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 05:31 PM
Let me try as well:
Nickelback aren't worse than Foo Fighters or Nirvana or any other lame grunge or post-grunge or whatever band.
Jimi Hendrix was a fantastic guitarist but the music overall is mostly mediocre and feels dated.
Tool suck and are boring and always were boring.
99% of bands labelled Alternative Rock, Indie Rock and Britpop suck ass.
Tupac was terrible. Lame-ass pop rap with mediocre flow.
Old-school hip-hop is mostly terrible and sounds like retarded children trying to rhyme.
Metallica fucking suck. Yes, even the so-called good albums.
Dubstep is actually pretty cool. Yeah, it's kinda stupid and a one-trick-pony but it's really fun.
Jeff Buckley had a great voice but his music sucked.
And while we're at it: Hallelujah is a horrible song, no matter who played it.
The Rolling Stones are fucking worthless. The Beatles were a bit better but that doesn't say much.

Anybody not hating me yet? I probably have some more.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: GD on Nov 09, 2023, 06:20 PM
Quote from: Meatwad on Nov 09, 2023, 12:51 PMRadiohead is overrated.
Hard to not be when a horde of people consider you the greatest band of the last 30 years (they aren't, but still have a handful of fine albums to their name)

QuoteNickelback is better than pretty much any other rock band in the last 20 years.
Gotta disagree but didn't their most well-known stuff come out more than 20 years ago anyway?
In any case, even when restricting the window to the last 20 years and limiting it to bands with mainstream recognition, I think for instance Arctic Monkeys and QotSA are at least a little better.

Quote from: Meatwad on Nov 09, 2023, 03:59 PMSonic Youth were terrible.
Objectively false.

QuoteThe Pixies are overrated
According to whom? Thinking they are the best band of their era is perhaps a bit much but what bands from the same period do you feel deserve to be more recognized, out of interest?

QuoteLimp Bizkit is underrated.
Hard to not be when people consider you to be the worst thing that ever happened to music (they aren't, but just a very average level of annoying/meh)

QuotePink Floyd is severely overrated.
see Radiohead but put in "last 50 years" instead of 30

The rest are mostly lukewarm takes or stuff I have no real opinion on anyway
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 07:16 PM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 05:31 PMOld-school hip-hop is mostly terrible and sounds like retarded children trying to rhyme.

What do you consider 'old-school'? Are we talking early to mid 90s rap?

Because if so, that opinion is insane.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 07:24 PM
Quote from: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 07:16 PMWhat do you consider 'old-school'? Are we talking early to mid 90s rap?

Because if so, that opinion is insane.

Nah, then I'd be the retarded child. The 90s had some great stuff. I mean true old school until mid 80s or something like that. Maybe even until the late 80s.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 07:26 PM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 07:24 PMNah, then I'd be the retarded child. The 90s had some great stuff. I mean true old school until mid 80s or something like that. Maybe even until the late 80s.

Phew, you had me really hankering for a dislike button there for a moment.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 07:27 PM
Damn, I was so close ;D
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 07:34 PM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 07:27 PMDamn, I was so close ;D

You had some other opinions that I disagree with (the Stones and Tupac for instance), but none that struck me as batshit insane.

I actually agree on Hendrix, Buckley, and Tool.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 08:18 PM
Meanwhile, I'm still thinking.  As hard as I can on this subject.

Neither Robert Fripp nor Brian Eno have ever had an original thought in their lives.
Julian Cope can go straight to hell for what he did to Thighpaulsandra.
Rock In Opposition is where it's at.
The overbearing, weening push for more classic rock sales is deliberate, and it's not inconceivable that the CEOs of the Big Three record companies held meetings to plan it. 

I thought I was going to be able to come up with a long list, but I thought, no I don't want to drag anyone who's ever mentioned on those entertainment-masquerading-as-news portals like MSN, Bing, Yahoo, etc. except Fripp & Eno.  I'll blast them down in a heartbeat as musically they're the bane of my existence. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 08:25 PM
Pop music > avant-garde music
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:00 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 09, 2023, 08:25 PMPop music > avant-garde music

On paper it would certainly seem that way.  In practise, I don't have enough life left for Crazy Frog.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 09:25 PM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:00 PMOn paper it would certainly seem that way.  In practise, I don't have enough life left for Crazy Frog.

Well we're in agreement there. I hate Crazy Frog with a burning passion, haha.

Though honestly I'd still rather listen to it than Stockhausen or Xenakis. Crazy Frog is dumb and inane, but I understand it. I'm not smart enough to understand avant-garde music.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:27 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 11, 2023, 04:24 PMThe Stone Roses I never quite got. They are so highly regarded, but I can't remember liking their music much.

But Reni is so hot. I still wear bucket hats because of him. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 09:32 PM
Use Your Illusion 1 + 2 > Appetite for Destruction
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:33 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 09, 2023, 09:25 PMWell we're in agreement there. I hate Crazy Frog with a burning passion, haha.

Though honestly I'd still rather listen to it than Stockhausen or Xenakis. Crazy Frog is dumb and inane, but I understand it. I'm not smart enough to understand avant-garde music.

Yes you do have to have ears to hear it.  But that was my first musical language.  My earliest musical memories are of David Rosenboom on a mainstream talkshow, showing how he uses brainwaves to create music.  I think about 20% of my collection moves in this direction although I think it's not very avant-garde if it's 70 or 80 years old. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:36 PM
Quote from: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 09:32 PMUse Your Illusion 1 + 2 > Appetite for Destruction

My only real thought about Guns & Roses:

Wawk like a maaan!
Tawk like a maaan!
Sing like Axl Ro-oo-wose!
Waugh-oo-waugh!
Everything's coming up Axl Ro-oses!

Note the Ethel Merman reference.  I once played her disco album to someone to show the "so awful it's great" phenomenon, and told them it was Axl Hose on holiday.  And they believed me .... for a few minutes. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 09:39 PM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:36 PMMy only real thought about Guns & Roses:

Wawk like a maaan!
Tawk like a maaan!
Sing like Axl Ro-oo-wose!
Waugh-oo-waugh!
Everything's coming up Axl Ro-oses!

Note the Ethel Merman reference.  I once played her disco album to someone to show the "so awful it's great" phenomenon, and told them it was Axl Hose on holiday.  And they believed me .... for a few minutes. 

I absolutely love that album. I went through an era of my life where I sought out a lot of disco cash-in records. A time when I needed only to hear the title of "Disco Polka" by Myron Floren to know I needed to listen to it.

Drugs may have been involved. :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 09:43 PM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 08:18 PMMeanwhile, I'm still thinking.  As hard as I can on this subject.

Neither Robert Fripp nor Brian Eno have ever had an original thought in their lives.
Julian Cope can go straight to hell for what he did to Thighpaulsandra.
Rock In Opposition is where it's at.
The overbearing, weening push for more classic rock sales is deliberate, and it's not inconceivable that the CEOs of the Big Three record companies held meetings to plan it. 

I thought I was going to be able to come up with a long list, but I thought, no I don't want to drag anyone who's ever mentioned on those entertainment-masquerading-as-news portals like MSN, Bing, Yahoo, etc. except Fripp & Eno.  I'll blast them down in a heartbeat as musically they're the bane of my existence. 


Soundscape Fripp or KC Fripp?
Agree about RIO and AvantProg in general, some of the coolest music ever.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 09:45 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 09, 2023, 09:25 PMWell we're in agreement there. I hate Crazy Frog with a burning passion, haha.

Though honestly I'd still rather listen to it than Stockhausen or Xenakis. Crazy Frog is dumb and inane, but I understand it. I'm not smart enough to understand avant-garde music.

Honestly, I don't give a shit about understanding music. A cool concept can be a nice bonus but I care about how music sounds. I love pop, I love avant-garde. No rivalry there imo
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 09:55 PM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 09:45 PMHonestly, I don't give a shit about understanding music. A cool concept can be a nice bonus but I care about how music sounds. I love pop, I love avant-garde. No rivalry there imo

That's great! You're able to do what I wish I could. Atonal, serialist, electroacoustic, a lot of that mid century stuff just genuinely hurts my ears to listen to. No rivalry intended, I just personally find much of that kind of stuff unlistenable.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:55 PM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 09:43 PMSoundscape Fripp or KC Fripp?
Agree about RIO and AvantProg in general, some of the coolest music ever.

Anything he's ever done. 

Soundscapes?  Erm, David Gilmour.  But before that Keith Rowe, which is where Syd got it. 
That dynamic sudden scare thing?  Erm, Tchaikowsky and Haydn.  He probably got it from Gustav Holst.
Frippertronics?  Terry Riley was doing the same exact thing at least 10 years before, plus there's Alvin Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room".

The only thing I can give Fripp is his sense of humour.  Best thing I ever heard him say, when asked what he wants from his fans:

"Send me money.  I'm not starving but the champagne I drink is not of the quality that I need.  Phone the radio station and they'll tell you where to send it.  And send $25 -- $35!  This is not a dishonest statement:  I want your money."
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 10:00 PM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 09:55 PMAnything he's ever done. 

Soundscapes?  Erm, David Gilmour.  But before that Keith Rowe, which is where Syd got it. 
That dynamic sudden scare thing?  Erm, Tchaikowsky and Haydn.  He probably got it from Gustav Holst.
Frippertronics?  Terry Riley was doing the same exact thing at least 10 years before, plus there's Alvin Lucier's "I Am Sitting in a Room".

The only thing I can give Fripp is his sense of humour.  Best thing I ever heard him say, when asked what he wants from his fans:

"Send me money.  I'm not starving but the champagne I drink is not of the quality that I need.  Phone the radio station and they'll tell you where to send it.  And send $25 -- $35!  This is not a dishonest statement:  I want your money."


I think KC and his playing in it was pretty much unparalleled for a long time. But honestly, I don't care about originality that much. If music is good then it's good, I don't care whether it's original.or derivative af
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 10:14 PM
Honestly the reason I posted about the avant-garde thing was more because I don't like the attitude that just because something is experimental or works according to complex formulas it means it's more high brow or "serious" music.

That overly scholarly attitude just bugs me, and no it's not exclusive to avant-garde music but I can overlook that attitude more if I think the music is actually enjoyable to listen to, I guess. Which avant-garde is generally not for me.

No hate on the music itself.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 10:34 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 09, 2023, 10:14 PMHonestly the reason I posted about the avant-garde thing was more because I don't like the attitude that just because something is experimental or works according to complex formulas it means it's more high brow or "serious" music.

That overly scholarly attitude just bugs me, and no it's not exclusive to avant-garde music but I can overlook that attitude more if I think the music is actually enjoyable to listen to, I guess. Which avant-garde is generally not for me.

No hate on the music itself.

There's also a key -- my HFA is a superpower.  It was incredibly affirming to learn that my wiring is such that everything I perceive is unique to me, not just sound.  One of my superpowers is to hear the pointillism stuff (like say, Derek Bailey) and my brain can squash all those multioctave leaps into one octave enabling me to hum along fairly easily.  I also "see the notes" coming at me -- they've all got little tags specifying what note is sounding.  It used to be a burden if the recording was off (like say Beatles "Strawberry Fields Forever") but I've learned to adjust and hear relatively rather than absolutely.  I figure it's why I like soundscapes and noise so much -- that sort of music is something to listen to without the emphasis on what note is playing.  I still hear melodies and sometimes words in it, but in general it sounds like the ocean or a forest rustling to me -- very organic.

Basically because I'm autistic, I got a head start.  It took years to understand that not everyone has the wiring necessary to perceive it. I don't have the wiring necessary to understand why Twiggy Swift is so popular -- I can't tell one song from the other, and when I have heard her in passing I only found out it was her when I looked at the playlist several songs later.     

Speaking of autism, Robert Fripp displays a whole lot of classic textbook traits.  One of his that I identify strongly with is speaking so formally all of the time that when slang comes in it sounds really funny coming from him, as it does me. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 10:56 PM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 10:00 PMI think KC and his playing in it was pretty much unparalleled for a long time. But honestly, I don't care about originality that much. If music is good then it's good, I don't care whether it's original.or derivative af

Some can be derivative and it's got that quality of you not quite being able to put your finger on it.  Elton John is great at that, although I lost him at Blue Moves, a truly terrible album. 

The problem I have with Fripp and Eno as well in regards to it is that they come on like they invented those techniques.  As far as I'm concerned that takes far more ego than even Todd Rundgren has (and he's super notorious for his ego -- arguably it could be why he's not as lauded as others).  It's the ego that rubs me the wrong way. 

My entire picture of King Crimson is that they're a band to excite 14 and 15 year old bedsitter boys.  I listened to them -- I know the catalog up through 1984.  I'm really not impressed that the 2nd album was a clone of the first album.  Seeing the Islands era band without Fripp backing Pete Sinfield dressed as elves on the Old Grey Whistle Test also had something to do with their being so repellant to me.  That was so treacly and twee that I started to feel ill watching it. 

My picture of Eno is that Roxy Music were great between his leaving and Bryan Ferry learning to sing in tune in the studio.  Bryan Ferry not being able to carry a tune in a bucket is what made that band.

If you want to hear someone do King Crimson much better than King Crimson, I'd suggest Art Zoyd or Univers Zero, especially Art Zoyd's "État D'urgence" which really does sound like its title ("state of urgency" if you don't speak French). 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 11:06 PM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 10:56 PMSome can be derivative and it's got that quality of you not quite being able to put your finger on it.  Elton John is great at that, although I lost him at Blue Moves, a truly terrible album. 

The problem I have with Fripp and Eno as well in regards to it is that they come on like they invented those techniques.  As far as I'm concerned that takes far more ego than even Todd Rundgren has (and he's super notorious for his ego -- arguably it could be why he's not as lauded as others).  It's the ego that rubs me the wrong way. 

My entire picture of King Crimson is that they're a band to excite 14 and 15 year old bedsitter boys.  I listened to them -- I know the catalog up through 1984.  I'm really not impressed that the 2nd album was a clone of the first album.  Seeing the Islands era band without Fripp backing Pete Sinfield dressed as elves on the Old Grey Whistle Test also had something to do with their being so repellant to me.  That was so treacly and twee that I started to feel ill watching it. 

My picture of Eno is that Roxy Music were great between his leaving and Bryan Ferry learning to sing in tune in the studio.  Bryan Ferry not being able to carry a tune in a bucket is what made that band.

If you want to hear someone do King Crimson much better than King Crimson, I'd suggest Art Zoyd or Univers Zero, especially Art Zoyd's "État D'urgence" which really does sound like its title ("state of urgency" if you don't speak French). 
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 10:56 PMSome can be derivative and it's got that quality of you not quite being able to put your finger on it.  Elton John is great at that, although I lost him at Blue Moves, a truly terrible album. 

The problem I have with Fripp and Eno as well in regards to it is that they come on like they invented those techniques.  As far as I'm concerned that takes far more ego than even Todd Rundgren has (and he's super notorious for his ego -- arguably it could be why he's not as lauded as others).  It's the ego that rubs me the wrong way. 

My entire picture of King Crimson is that they're a band to excite 14 and 15 year old bedsitter boys.  I listened to them -- I know the catalog up through 1984.  I'm really not impressed that the 2nd album was a clone of the first album.  Seeing the Islands era band without Fripp backing Pete Sinfield dressed as elves on the Old Grey Whistle Test also had something to do with their being so repellant to me.  That was so treacly and twee that I started to feel ill watching it. 

My picture of Eno is that Roxy Music were great between his leaving and Bryan Ferry learning to sing in tune in the studio.  Bryan Ferry not being able to carry a tune in a bucket is what made that band.

If you want to hear someone do King Crimson much better than King Crimson, I'd suggest Art Zoyd or Univers Zero, especially Art Zoyd's "État D'urgence" which really does sound like its title ("state of urgency" if you don't speak French). 

I know and love UZ and AZ but to me they're a completely different thing from KC.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 09, 2023, 11:17 PM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 10:34 PMThere's also a key -- my HFA is a superpower.  It was incredibly affirming to learn that my wiring is such that everything I perceive is unique to me, not just sound.  One of my superpowers is to hear the pointillism stuff (like say, Derek Bailey) and my brain can squash all those multioctave leaps into one octave enabling me to hum along fairly easily.  I also "see the notes" coming at me -- they've all got little tags specifying what note is sounding.  It used to be a burden if the recording was off (like say Beatles "Strawberry Fields Forever") but I've learned to adjust and hear relatively rather than absolutely.  I figure it's why I like soundscapes and noise so much -- that sort of music is something to listen to without the emphasis on what note is playing.  I still hear melodies and sometimes words in it, but in general it sounds like the ocean or a forest rustling to me -- very organic.

Basically because I'm autistic, I got a head start.  It took years to understand that not everyone has the wiring necessary to perceive it. I don't have the wiring necessary to understand why Twiggy Swift is so popular -- I can't tell one song from the other, and when I have heard her in passing I only found out it was her when I looked at the playlist several songs later.   

Speaking of autism, Robert Fripp displays a whole lot of classic textbook traits.  One of his that I identify strongly with is speaking so formally all of the time that when slang comes in it sounds really funny coming from him, as it does me. 

That's so interesting! People have theorized at certain points in my life that I may have some kind of high functioning autism, though I have never been formally diagnosed. I was diagnosed with ADHD in 1996 while in elementary school, though I can't say if that has had any effect on my perception of music.

I do however have a degree in audio engineering, so I understand a good deal about acoustics, how the brain perceives sound, everything about frequency and harmony, I am actually very experienced with a lot of the concepts that many of those composers used. Which is probably why I see it as overly clinical and I can't shake the sense that the compositions are more like mad science experiments that weren't meant to be enjoyed by mortals. It mixes up the audio engineer part of my brain with the music lover side.

I'm just not on that level of art appreciation I guess.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 11:57 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 09, 2023, 11:17 PMI'm just not on that level of art appreciation I guess.

I'm willing to bet you respond emotionally to music.  I don't have that.  I hear all music as sonic architecture, and leftfield academic stuff to me is the sonic equivalent of those mobiles that have one side lots of sheet metal that looks like it weighs 1000 lbs, but is balanced on the other end of the fulcrum by a BB. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 10, 2023, 12:10 AM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 09, 2023, 11:57 PMI'm willing to bet you respond emotionally to music.  I don't have that.  I hear all music as sonic architecture, and leftfield academic stuff to me is the sonic equivalent of those mobiles that have one side lots of sheet metal that looks like it weighs 1000 lbs, but is balanced on the other end of the fulcrum by a BB. 

I see, that's fascinating. I can get into that headspace for a lot of the ambient space music I listen to, listening for the tone and timbre. But that just doesn't outweigh the way atonal music irritates my ears. Maybe someday I'll find a way to enjoy it, I'd love that. The way I see it the more different kinds of music I can jam to, the better.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 02:26 AM
I see this thread is really bubbling along nicely. Happy to be of service.  :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 03:26 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 09, 2023, 04:12 PMI agree on your Sonic Youth, Pixies and Limp Bizkit takes, but with all due respect, your Nickelback take fried my brain. Having that opinion is just unimaginable to me. :laughing:

I aim to please.  :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 03:30 AM
Quote from: SGR on Nov 09, 2023, 04:28 PMI don't know man, Pearl Jam are the most overrated band in history? I can think of 10 or 15 bands off the top of my head that I think are more overrated.

And I'd sub out your Lana Del Rey opinion for Billie Eilish.

Both fair points but I REALLY never got the whole interest in Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedders voice is not good and none of their songs sound nearly as special as the attention they received.

Your point about Billie Eilish is more than fair. I just momentarily forget she existed.  :D
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 03:58 AM
Quote from: GD on Nov 09, 2023, 06:20 PMHard to not be when a horde of people consider you the greatest band of the last 30 years (they aren't, but still have a handful of fine albums to their name)

I can remember when they made that seemingly hard pivot from the indi rock of OK Computer to blips and noises of Kid A and although there are a couple of serviceable songs on Kid A, I dont consider that album enjoyable or interesting. The whole narrative of Radioheads musical range seemed to really spike hard after that transition which completely lost me. OK Computer was a good album (and Im not even that big on Thom Yorkes singing) but the fascination with the band really only seemed to take off to baffling levels once Kid A appeared.

QuoteGotta disagree but didn't their most well-known stuff come out more than 20 years ago anyway?
In any case, even when restricting the window to the last 20 years and limiting it to bands with mainstream recognition, I think for instance Arctic Monkeys and QotSA are at least a little better.

QotSA is definitely a viable alternative to be regarded as at least as good if not better. Gotta disagree with Arctic Monkeys.


QuoteObjectively false.

How so ?

QuoteAccording to whom? Thinking they are the best band of their era is perhaps a bit much but what bands from the same period do you feel deserve to be more recognized, out of interest?

According to me. We're all here just sharing our own opinions having some fun.

And my reasoning for this take is that a lot of bands that orbited the grunge sphere werent that good both musically and vocally. Plus, this band seemed to gain a lot of attention from the Nirvana flow on effect just because Kurt liked them.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: GD on Nov 10, 2023, 10:12 AM
Quote from: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 03:58 AMI can remember when they made that seemingly hard pivot from the indi rock of OK Computer to blips and noises of Kid A and although there are a couple of serviceable songs on Kid A, I dont consider that album enjoyable or interesting. The whole narrative of Radioheads musical range seemed to really spike hard after that transition which completely lost me. OK Computer was a good album (and Im not even that big on Thom Yorkes singing) but the fascination with the band really only seemed to take off to baffling levels once Kid A appeared.

Funny, because if anything I feel that it's their 90's material that's overrated moreso than the post Kid A stuff. People have this overblown estimation of OK Computer as if it's the best album of the 90's (or the best of all time(!); see RYM) when you could point to arguably better albums from the very same year it came out. The reason I like Kid A and some of what came after it is not because it's "experimental" (which is not even that true imo) but just because the songs are (mostly) just enjoyable and well-produced.

QuoteHow so ?

Because "SY were terrible" it's kind of like saying "Picasso was a terrible painter". Like you're free to dislike it from here to the moon but if you're gonna state your dislike in terms of objectivity there's a fair bit of evidence to the contrary. (Also it's more fun to call someone out with "objectively false"  ;) )

QuoteAccording to me. We're all here just sharing our own opinions having some fun.

And my reasoning for this take is that a lot of bands that orbited the grunge sphere werent that good both musically and vocally. Plus, this band seemed to gain a lot of attention from the Nirvana flow on effect just because Kurt liked them.


The bolded: I actually meant "according to whom" as in "who is rating them too highly". And I take it you wouldn't be posting in this thread if you didn't want people to argue with you  :P

The second part was about thinking bands like Pixies are overrated, so conversely you would have to think some other acts deserve their acclaim more from within that same time period. Unless you think there was not much good stuff coming out at all at that time, which is perfectly valid and not something I care to argue against, but in my estimation the late 80s/early 90s was one of the last true golden ages of popular music (don't know if this qualifies as an "unpopular/controversial opinion"). Very little of that is due to Nirvana and other "grunge" acts but it's not just limited to rock either.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 10:42 AM
Quote from: grindy on Nov 09, 2023, 05:31 PMNickelback aren't worse than Foo Fighters or Nirvana or any other lame grunge or post-grunge or whatever band.

Agreed.

QuoteJimi Hendrix was a fantastic guitarist but the music overall is mostly mediocre and feels dated.

Completely agree. It definitely feels dated.

QuoteTool suck and are boring and always were boring.

Tool are much better than Dream Theatre (who I mentioned previously), but they kind of all fall under the same umbrella. This also relates to stuff like Mogwai. A lot of their songs are padded out way too much in regards to the complexity of where the typical tune traverses. I dont mind a good 10-20 minute song but there has to a suitable level of complexity to interest me as its a fair investment in my time. And most of these bands shouldn't be putting out music any longer than 5 minutes.

Quote99% of bands labelled Alternative Rock, Indie Rock and Britpop suck ass.

Hell to the yeah. Indi music is often the WORST music out there since there seems to be this idea that not being signed to a major label offers scope to be unorthodox about your approach without necessarily having the requisite ability to sing properly and play your instruments to a competent level.

Easily the worst band I've ever seen was a local 4 piece indi outfit with a female singer who literally shreaks virtually unintelligible nonsense throughout the set over the most mundane of bog standard indi noodling. Maybe it was just too deep for me, but maybe it was just a steaming pile of bovine excrement.  :laughing:

My friend spent the whole time nursing his beer trying not to laugh hoping the next band was less insane/obnoxious. I spent most of my time nursing a beer trying not to laugh at my friend trying not to laugh at the band.  :laughing:

QuoteTupac was terrible. Lame-ass pop rap with mediocre flow.

I dont get the Tupac love either. I'd rather listen to Nas. I'd also rather listen to Ice Ice Baby.

QuoteOld-school hip-hop is mostly terrible and sounds like retarded children trying to rhyme.

If we're talking 80's hip hop then I mostly agree. If we're talking 90's then Im having a bit more trouble with that.

QuoteMetallica fucking suck. Yes, even the so-called good albums.

They've definitely put some bad stuff out including St Anger where Lars seemed to think that substituting a snare drum with a beer keg was a good idea and that pretentious garbage they did with Lou Reed (Lulu) but overall I can't say they suck completely. Definitely periods of pretentious suckage. Even some of their tangents from their core sound aren't bad. I still like "No Leaf Clover" from the S@M album.


QuoteDubstep is actually pretty cool. Yeah, it's kinda stupid and a one-trick-pony but it's really fun.

Nah gonna have to completely disagree with that. Dubstep is the aural equivalent of trying to do advanced calculus after a week long bender on meth. Sure its kinda fun, but those high pitch sound bites they utilise make me feel like my brain has been harpooned and slowly dragged over barbed wire.  :laughing:

QuoteJeff Buckley had a great voice but his music sucked.

Moderately agree. He did have a great voice but it kind of makes sense if the music doesn't overshadow such unique vocals so there is that. The music on Grace was OK.

"Sketches for my sweetheart the drunk" was mostly a bunch of random nonsense that shouldn't have been released and the music was overwhelmingly poor and was a waste of a purchase for me. It was lucky to have a couple of OK songs on it and barely that.

QuoteAnd while we're at it: Hallelujah is a horrible song, no matter who played it.

I much prefer Corpus Christi Carol off of Grace. In regards to the original Hallelujah, Leonard Cohens voice is not appealing to me so I'd instantly rule that version out but Buckleys version is nice. I dont have a strong negative opinion on the song but the line "And I remember when I moved in you" kind of feels a bit tacky depending on which interpretation you make of it.

QuoteThe Rolling Stones are fucking worthless. The Beatles were a bit better but that doesn't say much.

Wouldn't say they're completely worthless but another really really overrated band. Can at least respect the fact that Keith Richards is still alive. Cant say I ever got into either or them and I was exposed to plenty of the Beatles as a kid.

QuoteAnybody not hating me yet? I probably have some more.

No hate from me this end of the interwebs. Keep up the good work.  :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 01:06 PM
Quote from: GD on Nov 10, 2023, 10:12 AMFunny, because if anything I feel that it's their 90's material that's overrated moreso than the post Kid A stuff. People have this overblown estimation of OK Computer as if it's the best album of the 90's (or the best of all time(!); see RYM) when you could point to arguably better albums from the very same year it came out. The reason I like Kid A and some of what came after it is not because it's "experimental" (which is not even that true imo) but just because the songs are (mostly) just enjoyable and well-produced.

Their 90's material (Pablo Honey etc) is definitely below average so I agree with you on that. OK Computer is a good album and thats where my interest in them essentially finishes. Im definitely not claiming that album was brilliant.

QuoteBecause "SY were terrible" it's kind of like saying "Picasso was a terrible painter". Like you're free to dislike it from here to the moon but if you're gonna state your dislike in terms of objectivity there's a fair bit of evidence to the contrary. (Also it's more fun to call someone out with "objectively false"  ;) )

Where is this evidence you speak of ?  :)

Sonic Youth in general was just unappealing distorted noise for me. I even bought one of their albums. They're another one of those 90's indi darlings who were fawned over by the local indi radio station and a certain friend of a friend I sometimes saw at gigs. I never got into them and I never will.

QuoteThe bolded: I actually meant "according to whom" as in "who is rating them too highly". And I take it you wouldn't be posting in this thread if you didn't want people to argue with you  :P

Again, just going by the general playtime they received on the local alternative radio station and the opinions of people I personally knew and those who I met at gigs. A lot of my friends actually liked completely different music to me quite often so I was often exposed to tastes I didn't share. 

QuoteThe second part was about thinking bands like Pixies are overrated, so conversely you would have to think some other acts deserve their acclaim more from within that same time period. Unless you think there was not much good stuff coming out at all at that time, which is perfectly valid and not something I care to argue against, but in my estimation the late 80s/early 90s was one of the last true golden ages of popular music (don't know if this qualifies as an "unpopular/controversial opinion"). Very little of that is due to Nirvana and other "grunge" acts but it's not just limited to rock either.

I bought the Doolittle CD on recommendation from a friend who really liked the Pixies. The singing was not something I enjoyed as it had a rather clipped style to it and the music seemed a bit patchwork. I never played it much. I liked Monkey Goes to Heaven a bit but thats about it. "Hey" turning up on "Fight Club" is a testament to their early 90's fandom in my opinion. They are definitely overrated.

And saying that one particular band is overrated does not neccesitate the need to claim others werent. But if I had to pick other groups from that era whose output I enjoyed Id start with stuff like REM, Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, Bad Brains etc. Even Def Leppard and Depeche Mode is considerably more enjoyable to me than the Pixies. And out of those mentioned I think Suicidal and Bad Brains are underrated.

Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 10, 2023, 01:19 PM
Gonna be a no from me on Sonic Youth, dawg. I think all of their vocalists frankly grate on my ears, and there's some kinda cool riffs and moments, but you can only hear so many of those random noise guitar bits before it starts to feel tired even as what I'd imagine was a shocking novelty at the time.

Tupac had some good songs but I also think he's one of those artists who has a lot of filler tracks. California Love still bangs hard.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on Nov 10, 2023, 04:20 PM
I like sonic youth but I do think they're a bit overrated and the vocals (and lyrics) are absolute dogshit
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 10, 2023, 04:23 PM
Sonic Youth are wonderful as people.  I even got my best musical compliment ever from Lee Ranaldo:  "Wow, you can improvise songs." 

Listening to them I'll go for Goodbye 20th Century before anything else. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: aurora on Nov 10, 2023, 05:40 PM
Sonic Youth is a starter band, but I'll probably always like them, at least a little. They soundtracked my adolescence.

Their lyrics are usually painfully corny.

I'd highlight their 1982 debut as being one of their most tasteful moments.




Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: GD on Nov 10, 2023, 06:57 PM
Quote from: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 01:06 PMWhere is this evidence you speak of ?  :)

Sonic Youth in general was just unappealing distorted noise for me. I even bought one of their albums. They're another one of those 90's indi darlings who were fawned over by the local indi radio station and a certain friend of a friend I sometimes saw at gigs. I never got into them and I never will.

Well, it's mostly about how the phrasing "x band is terrible" implies that their "terrible"-ness is born out of a lack of talent or mastery of their craft, whereas in the case of SY they weren't going for a "trained" performance or a clean and polished sound to their records in the first place, though at their best (like on Sister, Daydream Nation and Goo) I think they found a good balance between accessibility and the more chaotic punk/noise rock energy.
It reminded of the argument people make when they say Picasso painted "like that" because he didn't know how to do realism, ignoring the fact he painted stuff like this in his adolescence:
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Now, by way of analogy, am I saying that SY could have recorded for instance super-glossy, hooky hair metal records if they had so desired? I don't know the answer to that but Tl;dr – the things you dislike about them are a feature of their aesthetic, not a bug

QuoteAgain, just going by the general playtime they received on the local alternative radio station and the opinions of people I personally knew and those who I met at gigs. A lot of my friends actually liked completely different music to me quite often so I was often exposed to tastes I didn't share. 

I bought the Doolittle CD on recommendation from a friend who really liked the Pixies. The singing was not something I enjoyed as it had a rather clipped style to it and the music seemed a bit patchwork. I never played it much. I liked Monkey Goes to Heaven a bit but thats about it. "Hey" turning up on "Fight Club" is a testament to their early 90's fandom in my opinion. They are definitely overrated.

And saying that one particular band is overrated does not neccesitate the need to claim others werent. But if I had to pick other groups from that era whose output I enjoyed Id start with stuff like REM, Pantera, Metallica, Slayer, Suicidal Tendencies, Bad Brains etc. Even Def Leppard and Depeche Mode is considerably more enjoyable to me than the Pixies. And out of those mentioned I think Suicidal and Bad Brains are underrated.

Cool. You're right those could arguably qualify as underrated, though of course they also have highly acclaimed releases under their belt, just in different niches. I'm still leaning more towards Pixies being more or less correctly rated, with the exception of a certain contingent of fanboy(/girl) obsessives who overstate their importance and influence just a tad much. Even if an album like Doolittle isn't your bag, I'd recommend checking out Bossanova at some point. It's still recognizably them but with a different vibe to their earlier albums, including beautiful cuts like this one:
I even see some people say it's their best album, I'm not all the way there myself, but it definitely has some of their best songs imo

Quote from: Marie Monday on Nov 10, 2023, 04:20 PMI like sonic youth but I do think they're a bit overrated and the vocals (and lyrics) are absolute dogshit

Ah, there you go, I'm not a lyrics-oriented kinda person though. I can listen to an entire album and probably tune out the lyrics entirely unless there is something particularly noteworthy about them that leads me to pay closer attention. Even from some of my favorite albums I can hardly recite a single line from any song because it just isn't where my focus is when listening. Although even with SY I would say they have some songs with genuinely good lyrics (e.g. "Tunic"), but it's a style of lyricism that might not appeal to everyone I guess.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 10, 2023, 07:09 PM
I dislike Sonic Youth because they're too alternative rock-y for me. I love the guitars and noises and shit, I just don't want them utilized for overall mediocre teenage rock songs.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: grindy on Nov 10, 2023, 07:11 PM
Quote from: Meatwad on Nov 10, 2023, 10:42 AMAgreed.

Completely agree. It definitely feels dated.

Tool are much better than Dream Theatre (who I mentioned previously), but they kind of all fall under the same umbrella. This also relates to stuff like Mogwai. A lot of their songs are padded out way too much in regards to the complexity of where the typical tune traverses. I dont mind a good 10-20 minute song but there has to a suitable level of complexity to interest me as its a fair investment in my time. And most of these bands shouldn't be putting out music any longer than 5 minutes.

Hell to the yeah. Indi music is often the WORST music out there since there seems to be this idea that not being signed to a major label offers scope to be unorthodox about your approach without necessarily having the requisite ability to sing properly and play your instruments to a competent level.

Easily the worst band I've ever seen was a local 4 piece indi outfit with a female singer who literally shreaks virtually unintelligible nonsense throughout the set over the most mundane of bog standard indi noodling. Maybe it was just too deep for me, but maybe it was just a steaming pile of bovine excrement.  :laughing:

My friend spent the whole time nursing his beer trying not to laugh hoping the next band was less insane/obnoxious. I spent most of my time nursing a beer trying not to laugh at my friend trying not to laugh at the band.  :laughing:

I dont get the Tupac love either. I'd rather listen to Nas. I'd also rather listen to Ice Ice Baby.

If we're talking 80's hip hop then I mostly agree. If we're talking 90's then Im having a bit more trouble with that.

They've definitely put some bad stuff out including St Anger where Lars seemed to think that substituting a snare drum with a beer keg was a good idea and that pretentious garbage they did with Lou Reed (Lulu) but overall I can't say they suck completely. Definitely periods of pretentious suckage. Even some of their tangents from their core sound aren't bad. I still like "No Leaf Clover" from the S@M album.


Nah gonna have to completely disagree with that. Dubstep is the aural equivalent of trying to do advanced calculus after a week long bender on meth. Sure its kinda fun, but those high pitch sound bites they utilise make me feel like my brain has been harpooned and slowly dragged over barbed wire.  :laughing:

Moderately agree. He did have a great voice but it kind of makes sense if the music doesn't overshadow such unique vocals so there is that. The music on Grace was OK.

"Sketches for my sweetheart the drunk" was mostly a bunch of random nonsense that shouldn't have been released and the music was overwhelmingly poor and was a waste of a purchase for me. It was lucky to have a couple of OK songs on it and barely that.

I much prefer Corpus Christi Carol off of Grace. In regards to the original Hallelujah, Leonard Cohens voice is not appealing to me so I'd instantly rule that version out but Buckleys version is nice. I dont have a strong negative opinion on the song but the line "And I remember when I moved in you" kind of feels a bit tacky depending on which interpretation you make of it.

Wouldn't say they're completely worthless but another really really overrated band. Can at least respect the fact that Keith Richards is still alive. Cant say I ever got into either or them and I was exposed to plenty of the Beatles as a kid.

No hate from me this end of the interwebs. Keep up the good work.  :laughing:

:beer:

Also: You make "Dubstep is the aural equivalent of trying to do advanced calculus after a week long bender on meth" sound like a bad things. It's the reason I like it. ;D
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 10, 2023, 07:22 PM
That's so real, speaking as someone who was in college and doing an assload of amphetamines during the peak dubstep era.  :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 10, 2023, 08:59 PM
When it comes to DJs, James Hype is overrated. I can't stand the 'James Hype bitch!' tag he constantly loops in his sets, and while he's technically a very capable DJ and mixer, his sets often focus on showmanship to the detriment of the feeling and getting lost in the grooves.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: aurora on Nov 10, 2023, 10:23 PM
CDs are cool
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Nov 10, 2023, 11:46 PM
Quote from: aurora on Nov 10, 2023, 10:23 PMCDs are cool

If CDs experience the kind of resurgence/resurgence that LPs have, I'll eat my socks.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: aurora on Nov 10, 2023, 11:53 PM
Quote from: SGR on Nov 10, 2023, 11:46 PMIf CDs experience the kind of resurgence/resurgence that LPs have, I'll eat my socks.

Hope you're hungry.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 11, 2023, 01:08 AM
I don't like CDs or vinyl. Or cassettes, or 8-tracks or wax cylinders or any of that. CDs are the best because you can rip them in good quality easily and then have easily accessible files right on your hard drive. But digital music wins over all of them for me.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love retro stuff. And I understand and respect people who enjoy living with more analog technology or place very high value onto the specific idiosyncrasies of their chosen formats. But I just prefer practicality, efficiency and cost-effectiveness for stuff I'm going to be doing in my day-to-day.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: aurora on Nov 11, 2023, 02:19 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 11, 2023, 01:08 AMI don't like CDs or vinyl. Or cassettes, or 8-tracks or wax cylinders or any of that. CDs are the best because you can rip them in good quality easily and then have easily accessible files right on your hard drive. But digital music wins over all of them for me.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love retro stuff. And I understand and respect people who enjoy living with more analog technology or place very high value onto the specific idiosyncrasies of their chosen formats. But I just prefer practicality, efficiency and cost-effectiveness for stuff I'm going to be doing in my day-to-day.

I like used CDs, used cassettes, and sometimes used vinyl. It's nice to buy original pressings and cassettes because they are rare and fun to find, and you also get to think about the hands that it's been in before you. I don't ever buy brand new physical media or reissues.

Vinyl is usually too expensive and it's also just too bulky for me. Digital media has been my go to for most of my life until I started working at a record store. I do think physical media is just fun and cute to collect like trinkets or novelties of my personality, but I'm not one of those cats with a collection worth thousands of dollars (maybe in 50 years).

Vinyl snobs hate me for that take but I don't really care. Get over it. Music is music, and it's pretty awesome that it's super accessible now because of the internet.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Marie Monday on Nov 12, 2023, 12:58 AM
Quote from: larsvsnapster on Nov 10, 2023, 04:23 PMSonic Youth are wonderful as people.  I even got my best musical compliment ever from Lee Ranaldo:  "Wow, you can improvise songs." 

Listening to them I'll go for Goodbye 20th Century before anything else. 
huh, Thurston Moore always gives off absolute cunt vibes imo
Quote from: grindy on Nov 10, 2023, 07:09 PMI dislike Sonic Youth because they're too alternative rock-y for me. I love the guitars and noises and shit, I just don't want them utilized for overall mediocre teenage rock songs.
yeah SY is mostly Glenn Branca + stupid bullshit
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lisnaholic on Nov 12, 2023, 02:42 AM
I don't like Sonic Youth enough to listen to a complete album, start to finish, but they have some great songs, imo. My favourites are the long rambling ones like Hits of Sunshine and Diamond Sea, where time kind of stretches out and you're not sure when the song will stop.

I'm not so keen on the shorter, louder stuff on Daydream Nation: that album is def overrated imo. As for Thurston Moore, I try to ignore his vocals as much as I can, and focus on the good stuff - presumable what grindy calls "the guitars and noises and shit".

From Burning Spear to Theme d'Alice, they also get points for their willingness to experiment and explore, although perhaps that's a negative too; for most of those SYR albums, my reaction has usually been, "OK, could you explore a little less please?"
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 12, 2023, 03:24 AM
Every time any one mentions Thurston Moore, I think "hey man, where's the stage?" especially all the times he asked me that and we were standing in front of it. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lisnaholic on Nov 12, 2023, 04:57 AM
^ Disorientation like that sounds quite endearing ! Did TM treat you well, LvsN ?
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: larsvsnapster on Nov 12, 2023, 06:29 AM
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Nov 12, 2023, 04:57 AM^ Disorientation like that sounds quite endearing ! Did TM treat you well, LvsN ?

He's an absolute sweetheart. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 12, 2023, 10:14 AM
Quote from: Marie Monday on Nov 12, 2023, 12:58 AMhuh, Thurston Moore always gives off absolute cunt vibes

Nardwuar probably agrees.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/canadian-master-interviewer-nardwuar-revisits-his-most-memorable-celebrity-chats-1.2368152?cache=nkwcgcjqfzosqu
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Lexi Darling on Nov 12, 2023, 10:46 AM
I like some angsty teenage rock, it's more that Sonic Youth were (IMO) worse at doing it than a lot of bands and yet still had this kind of insufferable "hipper than thou" sneer to their overall vibe. It reminds me of the pretentious music snobs I went to college with.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Meatwad on Nov 12, 2023, 10:55 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Nov 12, 2023, 10:46 AMI like some angsty teenage rock, it's more that Sonic Youth were (IMO) worse at doing it than a lot of bands and yet still had this kind of insufferable "hipper than thou" sneer to their overall vibe. It reminds me of the pretentious music snobs I went to college with.

I forget whether it was High Fidelity or Empire Records which covered this theme best but I know what you're talking about.  :laughing:
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Dec 04, 2023, 09:56 PM
I think Gold might be better than Purple Rain (the songs).
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Dec 04, 2023, 10:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Dec 04, 2023, 09:56 PMI think Gold might be better than Purple Rain (the songs).

Well duh, the spot price of gold right now is over $2k. Give me gold over the entire album of Purple Rain (which is worth much less).
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Psy-Fi on Feb 04, 2024, 08:08 PM

Roger Waters DROPPED By Music Publisher Over Phony Antisemitism Slurs
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Feb 19, 2024, 11:17 PM
Lauryn Hill and her album are overrated as fuck.

I bought it and it has some good songs on it, but only good. The album is a whole is quite gimmicky. There's nothing really special about it.

Considering she's regarded as one of the great rappers she's definitely overrated.

I think I might be missing something. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: Janszoon on Feb 19, 2024, 11:34 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 19, 2024, 11:17 PMLauryn Hill and her album are overrated as fuck.

I bought it and it has some good songs on it, but only good. The album is a whole is quite gimmicky. There's nothing really special about it.

Considering she's regarded as one of the great rappers she's definitely overrated.

I think I might be missing something. I just don't get it.

She's never really done it for me either. 
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: jimmy jazz on Mar 28, 2024, 12:00 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 11, 2023, 03:33 PMI hope we all agree Oasis and The Stone Roses are two of the most overrated bands ever  :)

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This is genuinely the esteem plenty of people hold these pub singers in in this country. Most commenting how daft it is but plenty opting for Oasis.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: SGR on Mar 28, 2024, 12:16 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Today at 12:00 AM(https://i.ibb.co/h2TS7MW/Screenshot-20240327-225618.jpg)

This is genuinely the esteem plenty of people hold these pub singers in in this country. Most commenting how daft it is but plenty opting for Oasis.

As a Brit, I can see why you'd think Oasis is overrated. As an American, Oasis didn't get much traction here beyond Wonderwall. That's their only single that stuck over here - occasionally you'll hear Champagne Supernova. But over here, I think they're an underrated band.

I may have said this before, but Definitely Maybe was the first album I bought with my own money. My obsession with the band grew from there. And no, I don't care who they ripped off, because the music and the attitude was perfect.


Their first three records plus The Masterplan will probably always be emotionally more important to me than any Beatles record, even if I could admit that the Beatles were much more innovative and creative.

I also have a brother I always argue and bicker with - and he loves Oasis too - so I also connect to the Gallaghers on that level too. I'm over here praying for a reunion just for the chance to see them perform together.
Title: Re: Controversial music opinions
Post by: interloper on Mar 28, 2024, 04:25 AM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 19, 2024, 11:17 PMLauryn Hill and her album are overrated as fuck.

I bought it and it has some good songs on it, but only good. The album is a whole is quite gimmicky. There's nothing really special about it.

Considering she's regarded as one of the great rappers she's definitely overrated.

I think I might be missing something. I just don't get it.

I thought she went off on this song:


But I've never been too inspired in checking out her catalogue. I like dense, hard flows. I thought she was probably the best rapper on the fugees.