there are so many of these stories but here's one about a University of Illinois at Chicago law professor named Jason Kilborn
he wrote this on a test
QuoteThe tenured professor's exam question on the December 2020 quiz involved a hypothetical scenario where a Black female manager filed a work discrimination lawsuit after a meeting where colleagues called her a 'n____' and 'b____,' shorthand versions of a slur and an insult. Students in his Civil Procedures II course were asked to analyze the account of an imaginary former manager who made the profane statements.
QuoteThe university responded by canceling all of Kilborn's classes for that entire semester. He was barred from going to UIC's campus, having any informal meetings with colleagues and students or participating in university events.
QuoteNearly a year later, Black law students held a rally and were joined by the Rev. Jesse Jackson in demanding administrators fire Kilborn.
QuoteBefore being allowed to return to law classes by fall 2022, Kilborn had to agree to satisfactory completion of a battery of required training courses that included an eight-week diversity course and weekly 90-minute sessions with a diversity "trainer," according to his federal lawsuit.
just the fact that he would only write the letter "n" on a test question instead of the actual word "nigger" seems like the height of hysteria but no it's not it goes on and on - he teaches law and this is a scenario that could realistically happen but he can't even teach about it without people hoing into conniptions and can't keep his job unless he goes through a retraining process for correctly teaching his class
how could anyone think this is insane or has anything to do with civil rights
completely bonkers
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-uic-law-professor-files-lawsuit-20220217-ogxsiixuxfdmfdfxh6qd4i3p4a-story.html
I was going to say that looks like a justified lawsuit waiting to happen but then I noticed the professor has indeed filed a lawsuit over the matter.
Roger Waters said it best in 1973: "The lunatics are in the hall/ The paper holds their folded faces to the floor/ And every day the paper boy brings more." Jesus Christ.
Here's a thing. For a while I was on one of those left-leaning websites, and I began posting some of my journals. I was almost immediately reprimanded for using derogatory terms against Native Americans/Eskimos (which I did not) even though the quotes were taken from a Wiki article. After this rather annoying slap-down I was then told my next journal was racist because I used the word "savages" (with the quotes, and in context, showing that it was not my view - it was like "the Indians or as people then called them, savages") - and some other words which were, again, taken entirely out of context. I wrote back, asking the person who had deleted my journal if he had ever heard of the idea of context, and as a result was banned from the site. Fuck them.
Just goes to show, left or right, liberal or fascist, pushing your own opinions and agenda onto everyone without any regard for theirs, with no nuance or intention of debate or understanding is as bad from one side as from the other. As I said to them, you go on about the Republicans trying to stymie free speech, but you're just as bad as them.
So is this going to turn into a right wing reactionary forum or what?
QuoteI was then told my next journal was racist because I used the word "savages" (with the quotes, and in context, showing that it was not my view - it was like "the Indians or as people then called them, savages")
The woke left accuses DeSantis of trying to erase history and they're correct. Unfortunately, they're trying to do the same thing. Spike Lee crying that Tarantino character's use the word "nigger" is an example. Black activists have sought to ban To Kill a Mockingbird and Huck Finn.
I don't think it's right or left wing. I'm just saying that just because you think your opinion is right (not in the political sense, but in the sense of being correct) doesn't make it so, simply because you're not a Republican. Some Democrats/left/liberal people are trying to change history and push their own agenda just as forcefully - and wrongfully - as De Santis, Trump and Cruz. Wokeness is stupid, just another form of forcing people to conform to a way of thinking, just as fascism is. People should be able to make up their own minds about issues, and you can't go undoing and rewriting the past just because it doesn't fit in with your present worldview.
Bill and Ted said it best: be excellent to each other. Words to live by.
Quote from: Trollheart on Feb 06, 2023, 06:41 PMWokeness is stupid, just another form of forcing people to conform to a way of thinking, just as fascism is. People should be able to make up their own minds about issues, and you can't go undoing and rewriting the past just because it doesn't fit in with your present worldview.
Woke means being "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". I don't think that's stupid or somehow akin to fascism or an effort to rewrite the past.
No of course not. I think what I should have said was overuse and abuse of the idea is stupid, liek OH says, trying to ban books from the 19th century because they don't conform to current ideas of acceptable behaviour and so on. It can get really out of hand, as I found out. Sort of like PC; sometimes the ideas advanced by those who espoused this idea were completely ludicrous. But of course woke, or if you prefer, proper or real woke, has its place and can do a lot of good in the world. I feel it's only when people use it to batter others over the head with their opinions and beliefs that it falls down. Just wanted to make that clear.
QuoteI don't think that's stupid or somehow akin to fascism or an effort to rewrite the past.
Trying to fire a professor for writing the letter "n" and making him take re-education courses and profusely apologize for something that wasn't even remotely wrong has Maoist totalitarian tendencies which I consider fascist.
Firing a journalist for using a specific word without consideration for the context is weaponizing poverty the go to play for neoliberal capitalist fascists. Banning comedians. Kicking college students out of school. Revoking scholarships. All variations of fascist capitalist poverty weaponization.
Trolls, the people who banned you from that forum if they came to have political control they'd be fascist, indeed. It might have different origins than other totalitarianism but the negative impact on the world would be the same.
Congratulations on posting your right wing reactionary talking points on this brand new forum. No doubt this will lead to wonderful things for this fledgling community.
I don't really think that's fair to be honest. If you take the politics out of it, is one group who thinks one thing right to try to force that opinion on others in the name of "political correctness" or "wokeness" any more than another group is right to do so in the name of "family values", "freedumb" or "USA! USA!" or whatever? I'm not supporting either side; I'm saying that just because you're on, let's call it the "good" side, as a really bad label but it sort of fits, or the non-Republican side (and let it be known, I hate Republicans and all they stand for) doesn't allow you to force your views on others. You might have strong feelings about things but you can't hold others responsible for these kind of things. What's next? Roots has to have all the "n" words excised from it, removing any impact of the use of the word? The idea of an announcement before a show, which I've seen, warning it contains "outdated or prejudicial views no longer acceptable and may offend some viewers" is, I think, a good way to say, look, this was written/made a long time ago or set in a period long ago, when such things were accepted. They're not now, but we're going to present it to you as it was.
The other way, so far as I can see, involves a sort of Orwellian idea of rewriting history in a way it makes us more comfortable, and either ignoring or changing things so that they fit in with today's views. There has to be some sanity here. Both ways, when practiced to extremes, are, in my view, totally wrong.
No offense TH, but what on earth are you talking about?
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 08:15 PMCongratulations on posting your right wing reactionary talking points on this brand new forum. No doubt this will lead to wonderful things for this fledgling community.
it stayed civilised for longer than I feared it might actually, but here we are :/
Quote from: Marie Monday on Feb 06, 2023, 08:30 PMQuote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 08:15 PMCongratulations on posting your right wing reactionary talking points on this brand new forum. No doubt this will lead to wonderful things for this fledgling community.
it stayed civilised for longer than I feared it might actually, but here we are :/
For real. This kind of shit is why stopping posting much on MB.
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 08:28 PMNo offense TH, but what on earth are you talking about?
he's talking about one group of people who think they should be able to dictate to other people what the can read or say
find me a copy of The Turner Diaries for example
as far as right wing talking points - left or right doesn't matter because they're both capitalists - frankly there is no left - there's just fascist a and fascist b
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 08:34 PMQuote from: Marie Monday on Feb 06, 2023, 08:30 PMQuote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 08:15 PMCongratulations on posting your right wing reactionary talking points on this brand new forum. No doubt this will lead to wonderful things for this fledgling community.
it stayed civilised for longer than I feared it might actually, but here we are :/
For real. This kind of shit is why stopping posting much on MB.
it's so upsetting when everyone doesn't think like you do 😭
I was referring to people who only want to create drama.
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 08:28 PMNo offense TH, but what on earth are you talking about?
I think it's pretty clear. I don't want someone telling me I can't read, say "Uncle Tom's Cabin" or whatever (or teach it) just because it's something they don't want brought up. If I read it, in the full understanding that the ideas expressed within it are wrong, then there should be no problem. But certain people want books like this removed from the curriculum, or to pretend they don't exist. Hell I don't know: I'm no political animal. I just think everyone needs to chill. Call bad stuff out for when it IS bad stuff, not for when it can be misinterpeted. Should all historical "n" words, or paddies, or chinks, or whatever, be removed from circulation? Surely if you acknowledge it was a different time, but that such language/attitudes/behaviour/treatment is not acceptable today, that should be enough?
Anyway, I'm backing out of this, as it's spiralled a little and I don't want to be taken up wrongly. Also I do agree that maybe it's a little too hot a topic for here. Maybe Tore can move it to the secret forum? Either way, I'm done posting. I think I may have tripped over my tongue. Door's this way, is it?
1) it's ok to disagree about things
2) having a contrary opinion isn't an act of aggression
3) i have weird and angry political views but i defend them - it's not a good reason to dislike me
4) this is a current thing that's really happening
5) it's lame to try to paint me as a disruptor or drama queen for bringing things up
I'm not quite sure at this moment that we need to do anything to the topic, although it is possible. What I would prefer is that we can keep things civil and not assume the worst about each other. For example, I feel reasonably confident that we all can agree that racial prejudice and discrimination are bad things. I also think many are quick to use the word fascist and equating any opinion on the matter as being extremely right or left wing might not always make sense.
So all I ask for now is please be aware that it may be a sensitive topic and be aware of the energy you bring to it and please don't be quick to label others. I would like this to be the sort of community where these kinds of discussions are a possibility and where you'd hopefully feel that your sparring partner generally has your best interests in mind, even if you don't agree on everything.
QuoteI think I may have tripped over my tongue.
you haven't though - you were accused of being racist and banned from a forum by a group of people who have no ability to think objectively- you were treated unfairly
and there's always an excuse but over time things are lost because people start to become afraid to speak their minds
it's always things like you can say what you want but not with repercussions
well guess what repercussions are a two way street - people who try to dictate what others can say should be harassed as well and lose their jobs and all that
What I don't understand is: Why couldn't this professor describe those blanked-out words as "a racial slur" and an "insult" in his hypothetical question? I think that would have conveyed more sensitivity to some of his students.
Quote from: ribbons on Feb 06, 2023, 10:17 PMWhat I don't understand is: Why couldn't this professor describe those blanked-out words as "a racial slur" and an "insult" in his hypothetical question? I think that would have conveyed more sensitivity to some of his students.
because they're training to practice law IN THE REAL WORLD- the real world is nasty - if words on a test are too much for them how can they be expected to handle the brutal hatred of reality where people arent only called offensive names they're also called offensive names while being raped and beaten by people who dgaf about feelings and especially not cultural sensitivity-
how you think guards talk to inmates in prison?
what do you think the police say when they got you back in the patrol car in all white wherever
law students should be able to handle any word in the context of their education
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 06, 2023, 11:01 PMQuote from: ribbons on Feb 06, 2023, 10:17 PMWhat I don't understand is: Why couldn't this professor describe those blanked-out words as "a racial slur" and an "insult" in his hypothetical question? I think that would have conveyed more sensitivity to some of his students.
because they're training to practice law IN THE REAL WORLD- the real world is nasty - if words on a test are too much for them how can they be expected to handle the brutal hatred of reality where people arent only called offensive names they're also called offensive names while being raped and beaten by people who dgaf about feelings and especially not cultural sensitivity-
how you think guards talk to inmates in prison?
what do you think the police say when they got you back in the patrol car in all white wherever
law students should be able to handle any word in the context of their education
I'm sure the students were/are well aware of the racial slurs and insults thrown about in the real world. That's not what I was referring to. I'm referring to a professor showing a modicum of respect to his students on a quiz question - it really isn't that hard to do.
Edit: By the way, I don't think the punishment fit the crime here; he definitely should not have been fired or even exiled from campus. I believe the diversity training would be appropriate in this case and certainly wouldn't hurt any.
I'd be a little careful with jumping to conclusions. It does seem like an overreaction, but maybe there's more to this than what's apparent from the article. Taken at face value, I'd agree it seems exaggerated.
Other than that, I don't have much to add. There's no oppressive or out of control wokeness where I'm at, so I can't really relate.
QuoteI'm referring to a professor showing a modicum of respect to his students on a quiz question
he disrespects them by shirking away from reality - there's value in reality- baseball players don't practice with rubber balls - they play hard ball for a reason - you can't go into law, an especially ugly profession, feeling like you need to be sheltered - if i had my way the students that objected would be expelled for not being cutout for the job
QuoteThere's no oppressive or out of control wokeness where I'm at, so I can't really relate.
a four star high school quarterback was refused any scholarship at any div-1 school because he rapped along with a song that said "nigga" and even the artist said he was cool with it
lost his scholarship after years of training for rapping along with a song - kid's a hip hop head
one of the most prestigious journalists at the new york times was fired because when someone was describing an event he asked "did they actually say "the n word" or "nigger"
because he needed verification to answer the question
it's insane
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 06, 2023, 11:48 PMThere's no oppressive or out of control wokeness where I'm at, so I can't really relate.
There isn't over here either.
well it's rampant in america and it's this kind of stupidity from liberals that makes it so unpalatable to vote for democrats
people see liberals supporting the ostracism of good professors and journalists reminiscent of maoism they tend to vote for the other party
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 07, 2023, 01:36 AMwell it's rampant in america
It really isn't, but it seems like you have some kind of an emotional investment in believing in it for some reason.
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 07, 2023, 02:12 AMQuote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 07, 2023, 01:36 AMwell it's rampant in america
It really isn't, but it's seems like you have some kind of an emotional investment in believing in it for some reason.
do you think these things never happened or that it's acceptable
i don't get it
i know liberals like to believe their side is never wrong and perfect and all that and yeah i have an emotional investment against fascism- that's not really weird
the phenomenon of people never seeing anything wrong with their side is very weird however
I think if you want to find cases of, say, skateboard related homicides, you can. You can probably compile whole lists of them. Some of them may not really hold up under scrutiny, some may be only semi skateboard related, and some of them may be legit skateboard murders, but none of that adds up to skateboard murders being rampant in America. It mostly just raises the question of why are you so invested in trying to convince people that skateboard murders are rampant.
congratulations on not just making a false equivalency but literally the falsest equivalency ever
I get Jans' point that if you want to find evidence to support that this is rampant, you probably can. However, it doesn't mean it is.
Because this is apparently weirdly politicized in the US, of course some people will have very strong agendas for or against. That means you should be a little careful about where you read about it; who is reporting these things and are the accounts / events described actually factual. Some of them are probably genuine examples of PC/woke stuff taken too far while some of them are bound to be misrepresented and some may even be complete fabrications. And if it has caused problems in a few cases, it still doesn't mean it's rampant.
I don't wanna offend you fine American people, but there's definitely an edge or vibe to the way many of you discuss these and related things where stuff quickly get polarized, labeled and just very harsh / heated in general. The world and its people aren't necessarily as bad as your arguments make them out to be. However, there are strong forces / meme complexes out there that are working to hyper charge your opinions and weaponize you and your rhetoric against some side or some topic. I think that's worth being aware of regardless of what side of a politicized discussion you're on.
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 07, 2023, 03:34 PMI don't wanna offend you fine American people, but there's definitely an edge or vibe to the way many of you discuss these and related things where stuff quickly get polarized, labeled and just very harsh / heated in general.
I'm not offended, and I broadly agree with you. However, and I mean no offense by this, I think living in a country that's not very racially or ethnically diverse may make it hard for you to understand the situation over here. For you, this is just an abstract topic that you can have a nice little debate about. For me, it's an inescapable part of life. The US has a long history of racism and also a long history of people trying to downplay and "bothsides" that racism. This is not some interesting bit of cultural history, this is something that has directly impacted my wife, her family, and our friends and neighbors.
a person's life was changed, definitely for the worse, for reading while attending Stanford
https://stanforddaily.com/2023/01/22/protected-identity-harm-report-filed-as-screenshot-of-student-reading-mein-kampf-circulates/
Quote"Swift action was taken by the leadership in the residential community where both the individuals who posted and the one pictured are members," Kirschner and Hahn Tapper wrote. Student Affairs and ORL are actively working with students involved to address the issue and mend relationships in the community.
"It can be upsetting to hear about incidents like this," Kirschner and Hahn Tapper wrote. "Jewish people belong at Stanford, and deserve to be respected by our peers."
a student was reading Mein Kampf and that was cause for Stanford to take action
that people cannot feel comfortable reading any book they want is a huge problem
that this rabbi feels she should be able to dictate to others what they can read is a problem
that anyone thinks reading anything is objectionable is a problem
i read mein kampf because 1) i was curious 2) it's important to understand primary documents
it's part of the "never forget" thing
evidence that it's rampant is embedded in the fact that the university thinks it's their business what books people read - that's insane
QuoteI think living in a country that's not very racially or ethnically diverse may make it hard for you to understand the situation over here. For you, this is just an abstract topic that you can have a nice little debate about.
Norway takes in a lot of immigrants. They're approaching being like 20% and because being Norwegian is much more easily defined than being American accepting a lot of immigrants is more disruptive to their culture. It's an American centrist thought process that makes Americans fail to realize that other places are also ethnically diverse. It's a kind of American exceptionalism. Americans still don't believe me when I tell them that India is more diverse.
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 07, 2023, 04:47 PMaccepting a lot of immigrants is more disruptive to their culture.
Please disrupt Norwegian culture. It is mostly polite, subdued and very boring. Cultures change all the time and I think that's generally how it should be.
While there are some challenges with immigration, I'm generally positive and welcome the diversity immigrants can bring. Myself and my family have been involved with immigrants in various ways and have many immigrant friends. These days, I am hopeful that we can help the poor victims of war in Ukraine and also take good care of those who come here from Ukraine as immigrants.
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 07, 2023, 04:11 PMThe US has a long history of racism and also a long history of people trying to downplay and "bothsides" that racism. This is not some interesting bit of cultural history, this is something that has directly impacted my wife, her family, and our friends and neighbors.
It's a fair point. I'm definitely looking at these conflicts from the outside. While I can't truly understand the frustration of sitting in the middle of it, it honestly looks pretty rough, especially with the history and police brutality (esp. against black people), the rise of the political right wing, etc. I understand that it's not easy.
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 07, 2023, 09:17 PMIt's a fair point. I'm definitely looking at these conflicts from the outside. While I can't truly understand the frustration of sitting in the middle of it, it honestly looks pretty rough, especially with the history and police brutality (esp. against black people), the rise of the political right wing, etc. I understand that it's not easy.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. :)
https://apnews.com/article/344670aba56c09e97b60df2469735bf8
QuoteAnchor Don Lemon will return to work Wednesday after he receives formal training for his comments about Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley on "CNN This Morning," network CEO Chris Licht said in an email to employees Monday night.
brief little stint in the re-education camp for saying Nikki Haley is not in her prime because everyone knows that 51 is the prime of life and to say otherwise is ageist and sexist - that's why all the young fellows are looking for 51 year old women - gotta catch them in their prime
You'd think Don Lemon would appreciate a little lemon partying.
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 21, 2023, 11:31 AMYou'd think Don Lemon would appreciate a little lemon partying.
lol - watch out you'll get cancelled
What a lemon.
It's good to have you here, jwb! :laughing:
Good to be here. Death to MB!
Damn, I've been here a few weeks and I didn't realize I could've been calling
@Trollheart a whiny c*nt all this time! Wait, do I have to use an asterisk instead of a "u" to avoid violating the "Don't be nasty to others" rule or not? I'm a little unclear on that.
How was I being nasty? I said congratulations.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 22, 2023, 05:23 AMHow was I being nasty? I said congratulations.
You tell me. I was just confirming with one of the two admins whether I could call people "whiny c*nts" or not.
You forgot joyless. And way to prove me wrong lol.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 22, 2023, 05:29 AMYou forgot joyless. And way to prove me wrong lol.
I don't feel like I'd use "joyless" much. I'm more interested in calling people "whiny c*nts" if it's permissible.
Why don't you just take a risk for once in your joyless life instead of always asking for permission to have fun?
See? It has a lot of applications.
Let's make this very clear for all, then. It is NOT permitted and I deleted that post even before I realized it'd been left untouched and had generated some follow-up discussion in its wake.
Jwb, I'm glad you're here, but this is not MB where rules are mostly ignored by all. I'd appreciate it if you checked out the goals (https://scd.community/index.php?topic=6.0) and rules (https://scd.community/index.php?topic=2.0) threads in the announcements forum.
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 22, 2023, 06:45 AMLet's make this very clear for all, then. It is NOT permitted and I deleted that post even before I realized it'd been left untouched and had generated some follow-up discussion in its wake.
Jwb, I'm glad you're here, but this is not MB where rules are mostly ignored by all. I'd appreciate it if you checked out the goals (https://scd.community/index.php?topic=6.0) and rules (https://scd.community/index.php?topic=2.0) threads in the announcements forum.
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 22, 2023, 06:45 AMLet's make this very clear for all, then. It is NOT permitted and I deleted that post even before I realized it'd been left untouched and had generated some follow-up discussion in its wake.
Jwb, I'm glad you're here, but this is not MB where rules are mostly ignored by all. I'd appreciate it if you checked out the goals (https://scd.community/index.php?topic=6.0) and rules (https://scd.community/index.php?topic=2.0) threads in the announcements forum.
you're saying we can't insult each other here?
I thought this place was supposed to be better than MB
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 22, 2023, 07:49 AMyou're saying we can't insult each other here?
Sure you can. You might say Guybrush, you degenerate anteater. How are the bugs treating ya?
If I feel like we're friends and know each other, you can write or say a whole bunch of things and I won't get offended because I know that you have my best interests at heart.
What I don't want is nastiness or trolling to f.ex. simply make someone look bad or to get a rise out of people. On MB, I get the feeling that people are sometimes looking to interpret anything you write in the worst possible way so they can attack you with it. It can become a hostile and toxic environment. You know how that goes. Here on SCD, that would be counter to our nr. 1 goal which is to have an environment that promotes friendship and trust, so I'm hoping we can prevent that here.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 22, 2023, 07:50 AMI thought this place was supposed to be better than MB
It's completely different :)
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 22, 2023, 07:50 AMI thought this place was supposed to be better than MB
it is better if we stick to explaining why we disagree and stick to the points instead of insulting each other even though i don't think you were being malicious it's better to let the conversation blossom instead of becoming poisoned - i do think we should be able to make our points as forcefully as we like as long as we are focused on the topic and not the person on the other side of the discussion but that's up to trolls and guy
Well that honeymoon phase certainly didn't last long
Fuck the world
i'm very glad you're here if that's any consolation- try the new mellowed style - it's healthier
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 22, 2023, 09:34 AMit is better if we stick to explaining why we disagree and stick to the points instead of insulting each other even though i don't think you were being malicious it's better to let the conversation blossom instead of becoming poisoned - i do think we should be able to make our points as forcefully as we like as long as we are focused on the topic and not the person on the other side of the discussion but that's up to trolls and guy
Very well put, OH :) as a general rule, I'd agree with his.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 22, 2023, 03:30 PMWell that honeymoon phase certainly didn't last long
Fuck the world
Stick around, jwb :)
I have very fond memories of our great discussion on ants. That was something special.. I know you felt it too :love: 🐜
Can we say slurs here at least?
You just did.
How about fag then?
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 04:50 AMHow about (slur removed) then?
Please don't post this stuff. You are behaving like a 12 year old.
If I can't say anything I couldn't say on mb then I have no use for this place. It's a legit question so mind your own business.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 05:53 AMIf I can't say anything I couldn't say on mb then I have no use for this place. It's a legit question so mind your own business.
I think this may be the most pathetic thing I have ever read.
That still makes me number 1 though doesn't it.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 05:58 AMThat still makes me number 1 though doesn't it.
I think of you more in terms of number two.
That might be the most uninspired attempt at shit talking I've ever seen.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 06:03 AMThat might be the most uninspired attempt at shit talking I've ever seen.
Yeah, you are pretty uninspiring.
So why'd you come back then sweetie? Thought you were tired of the stalking...
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 05:53 AMIf I can't say anything I couldn't say on mb then I have no use for this place. It's a legit question so mind your own business.
So you're only here because you want to post slurs? This is also a legit question.
I mean yeah I just want a version of MB where i can post the occasional slur and not be censored for the way I truly speak as an American. But that is just one man's dream.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 06:32 AMI mean yeah I just want a version of MB where i can post the occasional slur and not be censored for the way I truly speak as an American. But that is just one man's dream.
Understood. I appreciate your honesty.
Do you think it's right that if I'm bi and Batlord is just in the closet he gets to say fag and I don't? Cause I think it's dead wrong!
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 06:42 AMDo you think it's right that if I'm bi and Batlord is just in the closet he gets to say fag and I don't? Cause I think it's dead wrong!
If you're asking my opinion, I think calling people that is crass and uncalled for no matter who says it. I want to help cultivate a positive and friendly environment on this forum and I just don't quite understand why using slurs is so attractive to you.
But if one of us gets the pass it should be me right?
jwb:
if you want to claim ownership of the word i don't have a problem with that but in general the vibe here is more in favor of not harshing the mellow than it is in giving users free reign with language
it's up to trolls and guy but i really don't think they want to ban anyone so it's kind of unfair to force their hand
i've also been accused of harshing the mellow but i think we both need to understand what they're trying to achieve and live within those parameters
that's not to say that i disagree with you about anything
i respect vulgar language and even slurs as an important part of my white trash heritage that i'm actually proud of
recently i've reeled a lot of that in mostly because i'm tired of being so caustic as i mentioned elsewhere but anyway i really encourage you try this place and just going with the flow because i know you're an excellent writer and an astute thinker with incredible life experiences
and i'm not going back to mb ever so i'm not going to get to interact with you unless it's here
Yeah but you sound a little too mellow to me my friend. You need a little of your old bitterness back if I'm being perfectly honest with you.
Quote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 07:21 AMYeah but you sound a little too mellow to me my friend. You need a little of your old bitterness back if I'm being perfectly honest with you.
i've discovered that gratitude serves me better than bitterness
i also think there's a legit place for both but it's gratitude that allows me to heal and i deserve to heal - like for real bro, i've suffered, i know that's not unique but still i suffered and i suffered the consequence of suffering and i almost died but instead i overcame and started to heal - maybe it was when my dad died as ugly as that sounds and that alone should be plenty bitter for anyone - but like i said i'm serious about ending the snowball progression of all the baggage that comes with suffering and creating a new snowball effect centered on me healing and having a psychologically healthy final stage of my life
You sound like you have a lot of anger in your heart, jwb. Is there anything we can do?
Quote from: TheNonSexual OccultHawk on Feb 23, 2023, 07:43 AMQuote from: Jwb on Feb 23, 2023, 07:21 AMYeah but you sound a little too mellow to me my friend. You need a little of your old bitterness back if I'm being perfectly honest with you.
i've discovered that gratitude serves me better than bitterness
i also think there's a legit place for both but it's gratitude that allows me to heal and i deserve to heal - like for real bro, i've suffered, i know that's not unique but still i suffered and i suffered the consequence of suffering and i almost died but instead i overcame and started to heal - maybe it was when my dad died as ugly as that sounds and that alone should be plenty bitter for anyone - but like i said i'm serious about ending the snowball progression of all the baggage that comes with suffering and creating a new snowball effect centered on me healing and having a psychologically healthy final stage of my life
what happened?
Quote from: Rubber Soul on Feb 23, 2023, 12:53 PMYou sound like you have a lot of anger in your heart, jwb. Is there anything we can do?
if the mods will just let me get away with saying retard and the occasional non aggressive f slur you'd literally see my heart grow three sizes like the grinch
https://youtu.be/BFpUjyM0orQ
https://apnews.com/article/d1d88fe02461930d9c2ad70e1f55b136
not even gonna defend the dilbert dude - he's gone full ye - but dilbert doesn't buy ye level attempts at mental gymnastics to forgive like ye's music does
https://apnews.com/article/97c6b0affacbe64370ad3e1bf7f1c70c
aww man i love the crying indian meme - what's this world coming to?
Quote from: Dreams on Feb 27, 2023, 01:40 PMhttps://apnews.com/article/97c6b0affacbe64370ad3e1bf7f1c70c
aww man i love the crying indian meme - what's this world coming to?
What is the crying Indian meme?
And you need an avatar.
I'm assuming it was that 1971 environmental commercial with the crying Indian (who was actually played by a white man, oh, those were the days).
lol i didn't know he was italian
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i don't consider italians white though but most people disagree
They are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:38 AMThey are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.
they're olive colored with kinky black hair and have north african blood - greeks to me arent white either
Quote from: Dreams on Feb 28, 2023, 02:41 AMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:38 AMThey are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.
they're olive colored with kinky black hair and have north african blood - greeks to me arent white either
They're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.
First time I've been here since giving Tore the finger in PMs out of curiosity and looking at this thread I was laughing at Tore and TH's complete inability to deal with some random neo-Nazi's lazy anti-woke rhetoric only to find out that neo-Nazi was OH. Like, ITT he started out supporting Desantis against the woke mob even though he spent the whole early pandemic calling him "Deathsantis" for his treatment of the virus. You are all rubes.
^Okay
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:46 AMThey're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.
As a white european, I'd say that although you could mostly find any variation anywhere, it's not one homogenous soup. Anyone looking at me and my old supervisor from uni could probably tell that I was a scandinavian of some kind (blonde, sickly pale) and that she, as a Spanish woman, was from somewhere close to the mediterranean (dark haired, darker skin).
Since no humans are neither white nor black, it's obviously an extremely simplified description of reality.
Welcome back Tore! Hope you had a good break. We've done a decent job putting the place back together, don't you think? You'd never even know there was a blazing, out-of control fire and a major rio - uh, no, nothing, nothing at all happened. Of course. Nothing. At all.
As for Italian = white, well, considering Columbus was the one who (large cough) discovered America, and is considered a white European, I'd say sure, Italians are definitely white. I mean, nobody is actually white (other than albinos), but put an Italian beside an Englishman, I wouldn't think the differences would be glaringly obvious. Put a Native American beside an Englishman and you'd easily know, mostly from the way the latter would nick the country of the former.
Quote from: Guybrush on Feb 28, 2023, 09:00 AM^Okay
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:46 AMThey're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.
As a white european, I'd say that although you could mostly find any variation anywhere, it's not one homogenous soup. Anyone looking at me and my old supervisor from uni could probably tell that I was a scandinavian of some kind (blonde, sickly pale) and that she, as a Spanish woman, was from somewhere close to the mediterranean (dark haired, darker skin).
Since no humans are neither white nor black, it's obviously an extremely simplified description of reality.
Of course but it is negligible, most Irish people have dark hair as well but people (Americans) think they're all ginger and wouldn't say they aren't white :laughing:, and white people do tan when they're in the sun, of course they'll be a little bit darker near the Med than they would be in the Scottish Highlands, that would also be the case for the pastiest, most ginger Glaswegian you could find :laughing:
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:50 PMOf course but it is negligible, most Irish people have dark hair as well but people (Americans) think they're all ginger and wouldn't say they aren't white :laughing:, and white people do tan when they're in the sun, of course they'll be a little bit darker near the Med than they would be in the Scottish Highlands, that would also be the case for the pastiest, most ginger Glaswegian you could find :laughing:
I agree it's negligible and I also think of people of Italian ethnicity as some flavor of white 🙂
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:46 AMQuote from: Dreams on Feb 28, 2023, 02:41 AMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 28, 2023, 02:38 AMThey are definitely, unquestionably white. They're literally European.
they're olive colored with kinky black hair and have north african blood - greeks to me arent white either
They're not and they don't. How many of them have you met? They look exactly the same as white Europeans you find all over Europe.
i watched every season of the sopranos and all three godfathers and an italian kid beat me up when i was a kid
Since we're talking about flavours, aren't some of them (drum roll) Neapolitan? :laughing:
Oh good heavens.
Performative wokeness is definitely a problem in secular society as a whole, but not all of it is insincere. The issue is that most vocal proponents of CRT's current bastardized incarnation tend to indulge in hyperbolic and hypocritical behavior that hurts their credibility and the credibility of the causes they fight for. They're the flipside of the super religious far-right in a sense.
The biggest story that comes to mind for me about this kinda topic was that big case around Alden Bunag over in Hawaii. He was uber-left wing and a highly regarded teacher who was really passionate about equity and progressive ideas in the classroom, but he would get on Twitter and rant about conservatives in a way some of you would consider to be fairly stereotypical. Ironically however, he ended up getting nailed by the FBI for uhm..."bad" activities with underage male children in his class.
The best thing to do is advocate for the causes you care about and don't be Joe Biden on the 2020 campaign trail claiming that Lewis Latimer invented the lightbulb to large African-American audiences. Compared to that kind of stuff, DeSantis cracking down on dubious material (often with sexually explicit content) that shouldn't be in school libraries is a non-issue. The reason he's winning the culture wars is because we have Libs Of Tiktok and others meticulously documenting enough nuttiness on the left side of the political spectrum to get neutral / swing voters motivated enough to vote against those people. It's already picking up steam and could snowball into the 2024 elections.
QuoteCompared to that kind of stuff, DeSantis cracking down on dubious material (often with sexually explicit content) that shouldn't be in school libraries is a non-issue.
they've banned any book that normalizes any kind of love outside heterosexual love
three examples without sexually explicit content are:
"All Boys Aren't Blue," "And Tango Makes Three" and "When Aidan Became a Brother"
DeSantis is aggressively targeting the LGBTQ to incite hate to fuel his campaign and even with my deep frustration with woke nonsense from the left it's not remotely the same as what DeSantis is doing. DeSantis is intentionally making Florida unsafe for LGBTQ and he's setting the stage to push his hate agenda much further. Let's not get this twisted.
Referring to that transphobic hate account's behavior as "documenting nuttiness" is quite a disrespectful thing to say.
You don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives is worth highlighting? If it's happening, then it's newsworthy, no? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 02:33 AMQuoteCompared to that kind of stuff, DeSantis cracking down on dubious material (often with sexually explicit content) that shouldn't be in school libraries is a non-issue.
they've banned any book that normalizes any kind of love outside heterosexual love
three examples without sexually explicit content are:
"All Boys Aren't Blue," "And Tango Makes Three" and "When Aidan Became a Brother"
DeSantis is aggressively targeting the LGBTQ to incite hate to fuel his campaign and even with my deep frustration with woke nonsense from the left it's not remotely the same as what DeSantis is doing. DeSantis is intentionally making Florida unsafe for LGBTQ and he's setting the stage to push his hate agenda much further. Let's not get this twisted.
Twisted? It doesn't even appear like the language of the laws have been settled. I wouldn't jump the gun and say books are being permanently banned when the guidelines are as vague as they are right now. The only thing that appears to be settled based on some Feb 2023 articles I checked out appears to be language related to sexual acts or "extreme violence" for 3rd graders and below.
Not saying you couldn't be proven right, but I have a wait-and-see attitude about it since so much of it seems up in the air.
Quote from: Nimbly9 on Mar 03, 2023, 02:44 AMYou don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives isn't worth highlighting? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.
No. I think people should mind their own business, actually. Also you and I both know exactly what other things this account has "highlighted" so please cease with this bad faith engagement.
@Nimbly9 Would you vote for DeSantis over Biden?
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 03, 2023, 02:54 AMQuote from: Nimbly9 on Mar 03, 2023, 02:44 AMYou don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives isn't worth highlighting? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.
No. I think people should mind their own business, actually. Also you and I both know exactly what other things this account has "highlighted" so please cease with this bad faith engagement.
what account?
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 03:00 AMQuote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 03, 2023, 02:54 AMQuote from: Nimbly9 on Mar 03, 2023, 02:44 AMYou don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives isn't worth highlighting? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.
No. I think people should mind their own business, actually. Also you and I both know exactly what other things this account has "highlighted" so please cease with this bad faith engagement.
what account?
Libs of TikTok, on Twitter.
twitter.com/libsoftiktok
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 03, 2023, 02:54 AMQuote from: Nimbly9 on Mar 03, 2023, 02:44 AMYou don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives isn't worth highlighting? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.
No. I think people should mind their own business, actually. Also you and I both know exactly what other things this account has "highlighted" so please cease with this bad faith engagement.
The vast majority of the videos that I saw mentioned in articles on the subject of Libs Of Tiktok appears to be videos that just highlight stuff other people have posted on TikTok or stuff that was documented elsewhere. Not really worth arguing about TBH. If she screws up enough, she'll just get cancelled anyway.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 03, 2023, 03:02 AMQuote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 03:00 AMQuote from: Mrs. Waffles on Mar 03, 2023, 02:54 AMQuote from: Nimbly9 on Mar 03, 2023, 02:44 AMYou don't think white people identifying trans-racially as Korean or dragonkin complaining about people questioning their past lives isn't worth highlighting? A quick perusing of their content turned up both of those things for me when I checked it out after reading an article that was documenting the channel's sudden explosion in viewership.
No. I think people should mind their own business, actually. Also you and I both know exactly what other things this account has "highlighted" so please cease with this bad faith engagement.
what account?
Libs of TikTok, on Twitter.
twitter.com/libsoftiktok
oh i thought that was just like a group of people- that account looks nasty
i don't get why people care if children see drag shows though - kids like extravagant costumes- clowns disney characters pirates all seem like the same kind of entertainment to me
then the other videos are like black people do bad things 🤷�♂️ definitely looks like a weirdo hate account
since i started this thread can i send it to the graveyard?
Better than the Shadow Realm I suppose.
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 02:59 AM@Nimbly9 Would you vote for DeSantis over Biden?
Depends on whether or not DeSantis has any good ideas about the economy and can actually articulate those policy positions. Biden is likely gonna get his ass handed to him in any debates they have, so at the very least I'm expecting some good entertainment even if I don't end up voting in 2024.
Quote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 03:28 AMsince i started this thread can i send it to the graveyard?
No but I can if you want me to.
Quote from: Nimbly9 on Mar 03, 2023, 03:30 AMDepends on whether or not DeSantis has any good ideas about the economy and can actually articulate those policy positions. Biden is likely gonna get his ass handed to him in any debates they have, so at the very least I'm expecting some good entertainment even if I don't end up voting in 2024.
This is the most depressing post I've read on this site.
Trollheart, if you would be so kind, I also vote for putting this thread out of its misery.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 03, 2023, 04:50 AMQuote from: Dreams on Mar 03, 2023, 03:28 AMsince i started this thread can i send it to the graveyard?
No but I can if you want me to.
kill it
Wait! I have an on topic video!
Quote from: Janszoon on Feb 06, 2023, 05:05 PMSo is this going to turn into a right wing reactionary forum or what?
Welp, it's been less than a month since I posted this and it certainly looks like it's headed that way. It's sad to see.
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