I have the hiccups, someone please startle me.
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 11, 2024, 05:49 AMI have the hiccups, someone please startle me.
Boo!
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 11, 2024, 05:49 AMI have the hiccups, someone please startle me.
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I've listened to (and enjoyed!!) hip-hop and hardcore punk!
Startling enough for you?
(You know you can just hold your breath, right? Always stops it)
Quote from: Trollheart on Jul 11, 2024, 07:38 PMI've listened to (and enjoyed!!) hip-hop and hardcore punk!
Startling enough for you?
(You know you can just hold your breath, right? Always stops it)
What hip hop albums/artists have you listened to and enjoyed? I'm honestly curious.
Oh I'd have to check back but I know Loyle Carner (?), Homeboy Sandman, Snoop, Your Old Droog are the ones I remember off the top of my head. Oh, and got into some mix between hip-hop and metal - Bloodcount? Bodycount? I'll go back and make a list later. But I do remember having my eyes opened and my attitude changed, even if I didn't, and don't, like all hip-hop still. It was an education.
Quote from: Trollheart on Jul 11, 2024, 08:57 PMOh I'd have to check back but I know Loyle Carner (?), Homeboy Sandman, Snoop, Your Old Droog are the ones I remember off the top of my head. Oh, and got into some mix between hip-hop and metal - Bloodcount? Bodycount? I'll go back and make a list later. But I do remember having my eyes opened and my attitude changed, even if I didn't, and don't, like all hip-hop still. It was an education.
Nice! You ever listend to A Tribe Called Quest? I know you're not a big fan of jazz, but they often include many jazz-infused samples, and they even hired Ron Carter to play bass on one of the tracks on their second album,
The Low End Theory , which is one of my all time favorite rap albums. It never gets old. At the very least, I think you'd like it a lot more than the Beastly Boys. :laughing:
Okay here's the list. These are all 2017 albums, as I listened to them for that thread back on Usicmay Anterbay
Full and fair disclosure: these are the only albums I have heard by these artists, and no doubt you'll piss yourself laughing at my belief that they somehow allow me to "get" hip-hop, but what they did show me was that there was at least some music in the genre that I could like, and for me that was a big step.
P.O.S. - Chill, Dummy
Big Sean - I Decided
Loyle Carner - Yesterday's Gone
Swifty McVay - Gray Blood
Lupe Fiasco - DROGAS Light
Jon Wayne - Rap Album Two
Oddisee - The Iceberg
Stormzy - Gang Signs and Prayer
Your Old Droog - Packs
Rick Ross - Rather You Than Me
Mansionz - Mansionz
Body Count (that's the one) - Bloodlust (Don't think it's technically hip-hop but I sure like it)
Freddie Gibbs - You Only Live 2twice
Homeboy Sandman - Veins
Tee Grizzley - My Moment
Rich Homie Quan - Back to the Basics
Talib Kwell and Styles P. - The Seven
Brother Ali - All the Beuaty in This Whole Life
Logic - Everybody
Machine Gun Kelly - Bloom
Snoop Dogg - Neva Left
Esham - Scribble
Kool G Rap - Return of the Don
Vic Mensa - Manuscript
Quote from: Trollheart on Jul 12, 2024, 01:02 AMOkay here's the list. These are all 2017 albums, as I listened to them for that thread back on Usicmay Anterbay
Full and fair disclosure: these are the only albums I have heard by these artists, and no doubt you'll piss yourself laughing at my belief that they somehow allow me to "get" hip-hop, but what they did show me was that there was at least some music in the genre that I could like, and for me that was a big step.
P.O.S. - Chill, Dummy
Big Sean - I Decided
Loyle Carner - Yesterday's Gone
Swifty McVay - Gray Blood
Lupe Fiasco - DROGAS Light
Jon Wayne - Rap Album Two
Oddisee - The Iceberg
Stormzy - Gang Signs and Prayer
Your Old Droog - Packs
Rick Ross - Rather You Than Me
Mansionz - Mansionz
Body Count (that's the one) - Bloodlust (Don't think it's technically hip-hop but I sure like it)
Freddie Gibbs - You Only Live 2twice
Homeboy Sandman - Veins
Tee Grizzley - My Moment
Rich Homie Quan - Back to the Basics
Talib Kwell and Styles P. - The Seven
Brother Ali - All the Beuaty in This Whole Life
Logic - Everybody
Machine Gun Kelly - Bloom
Snoop Dogg - Neva Left
Esham - Scribble
Kool G Rap - Return of the Don
Vic Mensa - Manuscript
Honestly, a pretty good list. A lot of these I've listened to and enjoyed. Cool to see you diving into hip hop. I dove into the genre a few years ago and fell in love with it immediately. I love the poetic nature of it and I find it even more impressive how much an artist can fit into a song lyrically when compared to other genres.
Well as I say it was all for that thread. I didn't go in with a conscious decision or intention of listening to hip-hop, though I knew I would encounter it. I listened to everything from Italian disco to Brazilian metalcore probably; certainly a diverse list. I thikn it was Occulthawk who called the whole endeavour a huge waste of time, but I couldn't disagree more. Even though there was some absolute garbage I had to wade through, the good stuff was more than worth it. Even then, I had a blast, and it showed me how I could make an attempt to get into genres I had never even attempted before. Yes, even jazz.
And now, I'm doing it all over again.
Quote from: Trollheart on Jul 12, 2024, 04:00 AMWell as I say it was all for that thread. I didn't go in with a conscious decision or intention of listening to hip-hop, though I knew I would encounter it. I listened to everything from Italian disco to Brazilian metalcore probably; certainly a diverse list. I thikn it was Occulthawk who called the whole endeavour a huge waste of time, but I couldn't disagree more. Even though there was some absolute garbage I had to wade through, the good stuff was more than worth it. Even then, I had a blast, and it showed me how I could make an attempt to get into genres I had never even attempted before. Yes, even jazz.
And now, I'm doing it all over again.
Jazz is also one of the genres I've had trouble getting into but it's more my ignorance of the genre than anything else. I know there's some good stuff there but it seems like an endeavor and a half to wade through the bad stuff to get to the good.
I did make an effort there. Even started a jazz journal to enable me to explore the genre. Big mistake. I was so bored and hated most of what I was recommended. During the 2017 thread I did come across some good jazz albums, but they were (obviously) new ones, so the old "standards" did nothing for me. One or two (Miles Davis Kinda Blue) but overall it's just a genre I've described, accurately I believe, as leaving me cold, and even if I hear it on a TV progamme it bores me, so no, I don't think I'll ever be into jazz.
Another thing about it is the snobbery involved in it. Like classical, often it seems people refuse to take you seriously unless you're into their music. I don't tell people who hate prog they don't know what music is - that's their choice, and similarly if they're into Vaporwave or whatever I don't say that's not music (without, at least, appending "to me anyway"): people can be into what they want to. I won't accept anyone sneering at me that I don't understand music because I'm not into jazz, and that's another thing that keeps me from wanting to hear any. I recognise it's a hugely important music genre and millions of people are into it, but it's not for me, and it never will be, and I won't force myself to like it for anyone.
Hip-hop, on the other hand, I always felt I gave too short shrift, and that it was unfair of me, so I allowed it its chance to impress me, and while not everything I heard did, there was enough there to convince me I could listen to some of it, that it was not all the same and that I needed to give it a chance.
Yes, it's a pity that jazz appreciation often comes with snobbery attached - and it's my opinion that guys like Miles Davis helped that along. I don't know much about the guy but my impression is that he got more arrogant in his attitude as he got older and played less approachable music.
Just out of curiosity I googled "best jazz song ever written" and Dave Brubeck's Take Five turned up as #1 on a couple of lists. On google there was also the intriguing question, "Who is the greatest jazz of all time?" - to which the answer seems to be, "If you weren't born before 1930, you're not in the running." So that's another discouragement to explore what is, as Key says, a vast genre. :(
I was always a bit bemused by Miles Davis. He was touted as the best jazz and jazz fusion guy since sliced bread, but I couldn't quite feel it. I mean he was a cool mf and I liked "Sketches of Spain".
Jazz is indeed a huge genre, I feel it invites a huge amount of debate and banter.
The snobbery thing is weird. It transcends political, class, wealth, cultural, national and local boundaries.
I can't say, and I suppose in the final analysis I don't care, but I get the impression both classical and especially jazz aficionados (I don't think they like to be called fans: you have to call them aficionados or enthusiasts, probably) look down on "new" versions of their music. In other words, classically-speaking, a new composer coming up with entirely new melodies (neo-classical? Nah probably not, but whatever they call it) would incite sniffs of disdain from the classical intelligentsia, claiming it wasn't real classical. I think the same may be true of jazz fans (jazzers? Jizzers? :laughing: ) which is a pity, as to be honest all the jazz I can claim to like was recorded in 2017, such as The Comet is Coming, Morten Schantz and Arve Henriksen. I can't say shit about jazz, but I know what I like (not always, but sometimes, in your wardrobe) and if "true" (or even trve) jazz heads ignore such talent, then fuck them.
Quote from: Saulaac on Jul 13, 2024, 12:14 AMI was always a bit bemused by Miles Davis. He was touted as the best jazz and jazz fusion guy since sliced bread, but I couldn't quite feel it. I mean he was a cool mf and I liked "Sketches of Spain".
Jazz is indeed a huge genre, I feel it invites a huge amount of debate and banter.
The snobbery thing is weird. It transcends political, class, wealth, cultural, national and local boundaries.
I won't suffer any Miles slander here. :laughing:
Curious, have you ever listened to any of his Second Great Quintet albums? Like
Filles De Kilimanjaro or
Nefertiti? Incredible material, in my opinion.
I know that last comment was not directed at me, but anyway: I've heard, as I say, Kinda Blue and loved it but then Bitches Brew was suggested and I truly, truly hated it. So make of that what you will. Maybe I got lucky once: I threw the Miles die and it came up good, the other five sides may all have been terrible, for me.
Of the little Miles Davis I have listened to, I like the album
In A Silent Way best. TBH I have had a long-simmering grudge against MD ever since he tricked me into buying
Bitches Brew, which I found really disappointing - so ditto to your comment on that album, Trollheart. :thumb:
Quote from: Saulaac on Jul 13, 2024, 12:14 AMI was always a bit bemused by Miles Davis. He was touted as the best jazz and jazz fusion guy since sliced bread, but I couldn't quite feel it. I mean he was a cool mf and I liked "Sketches of Spain".
^ Yes, I think he overdid this, and clearly didn't get the message from the summer of love, that it ain't cool to be cool no more:-
This hatred for Bitches Brew has me so shocked that I think my hiccups are cured! It's the Miles Davis album I'm most likely to put on these days. As someone who was a huge Pink Floyd fan in my youth, I always think of it as the jazz response to "Interstellar Overdrive".
Well like I say, I already have no love for jazz, so you should be as surprised at me hating that as you would be if I said I hated Never Mind the Bollocks. Which I do. Shrug.
Quote from: Trollheart on Jul 12, 2024, 06:03 PMI did make an effort there. Even started a jazz journal to enable me to explore the genre. Big mistake. I was so bored and hated most of what I was recommended. During the 2017 thread I did come across some good jazz albums, but they were (obviously) new ones, so the old "standards" did nothing for me. One or two (Miles Davis Kinda Blue) but overall it's just a genre I've described, accurately I believe, as leaving me cold, and even if I hear it on a TV progamme it bores me, so no, I don't think I'll ever be into jazz.
Another thing about it is the snobbery involved in it. Like classical, often it seems people refuse to take you seriously unless you're into their music. I don't tell people who hate prog they don't know what music is - that's their choice, and similarly if they're into Vaporwave or whatever I don't say that's not music (without, at least, appending "to me anyway"): people can be into what they want to. I won't accept anyone sneering at me that I don't understand music because I'm not into jazz, and that's another thing that keeps me from wanting to hear any. I recognise it's a hugely important music genre and millions of people are into it, but it's not for me, and it never will be, and I won't force myself to like it for anyone.
Hip-hop, on the other hand, I always felt I gave too short shrift, and that it was unfair of me, so I allowed it its chance to impress me, and while not everything I heard did, there was enough there to convince me I could listen to some of it, that it was not all the same and that I needed to give it a chance.
I'm honestly out of all of this just stoked to hear that you have warmed up to hip hop. It's probably because I had the same sort of revelation years ago that it's not all the same and there's some really good stuff out there. I used to be so turned off by it because I genuinely did think it was all just the same thing but once I really dove into it, it quickly became my favorite genre. Now jazz...probably won't be in my wheel house for some time to come but classical on the other hand I can get behind.
When my great grandma passed away I acquired an abundance of classical vinyl records from her and it definitely helped me warm up to the genre more when I can listen to it in a way that is more my forte.
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 13, 2024, 01:59 AMThis hatred for Bitches Brew has me so shocked that I think my hiccups are cured! It's the Miles Davis album I'm most likely to put on these days. As someone who was a huge Pink Floyd fan in my youth, I always think of it as the jazz response to "Interstellar Overdrive".
Admittedly, his fusion era isn't my favorite Miles era, but I do love
Bitches Brew. It's one of those albums that's a grower. You need to listen to it a few times before you start to appreciate the grooves.
That being said, my hot take is that, among his fusion albums,
Jack Johnson is even better than
Bitches Brew. And for what it's worth, I play
Ascenseur Pour L'échafaud much more often than either of those two albums. :)
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 11, 2024, 05:49 AMI have the hiccups, someone please startle me.
When you have this, drink water then suck in air and hold your breathe for 10 seconds. If you burp then hiccups are gone. If no burp then you need to repeat until they are gone.
The easiest way is just drinking water upside down
Quote from: Marie Monday on Jul 14, 2024, 12:07 PMThe easiest way is just drinking water upside down
While rubbing your belly and patting your head
Quote from: Marie Monday on Jul 14, 2024, 12:07 PMThe easiest way is just drinking water upside down
Now all you have to do is advise us where we can get upside-down water! :laughing:
Speaking of which (kind of) have you ever noticed that Evian is naive spelled backwards?
Quote from: SGR on Jul 13, 2024, 01:11 AMI won't suffer any Miles slander here. :laughing:
Curious, have you ever listened to any of his Second Great Quintet albums? Like Filles De Kilimanjaro or Nefertiti? Incredible material, in my opinion.
Yes indeed those are great jazz tunes, SGR! I remember you talked about those ones ^ previously and I really liked them. They go hard.
Funnily enough, yesterday I was strimming thick brambles to clear a fence, and I must have disturbed a wasps nest. I got stung twice. Once on the nose, and the second time on the arm. Both areas have swelled but nothing serious. The buggers were not just the ordinary wasps who pretty much go about their daily business. These were almost hornet size. They spotted me from about 4 metres away and a couple of them went straight into attack mode. They were so fast and for a split second looked as if they were flying backwards with their tails in my direction, and had a very good aim to get my face and arm with such precision. There must be a nest there but I can't get close enough to inspect. Anyways, it made me think of Herbie Hancock's Hornets which sounds in similar vein to your MD posts above.
I'd hazard a guess that the MD albums above came before Herbie's "Hornets".
Quote from: Marie Monday on Jul 14, 2024, 12:07 PMThe easiest way is just drinking water upside down
This is what I came to say... almost always works.
What I actually do when I have hiccups is I drink a mug full of water with a knife in it. My fourth grade teacher taught me this and I have no idea why it works, but it does.
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 19, 2024, 04:40 AMWhat I actually do when I have hiccups is I drink a mug full of water with a knife in it. My fourth grade teacher taught me this and I have no idea why it works, but it does.
I've never heard of this way, I need to know the logistics so I can try it next time 😂
Quote from: FETCHER. on Jul 19, 2024, 12:41 PMI've never heard of this way, I need to know the logistics so I can try it next time 😂
I think you're so focused on not poking yourself in the eye that you forget to hiccup.
Never heard of it, but I wonder if it has something to do with the water gaining a metallic taste from the knife? A similar cure here is to sip vinegar, so I reckon it could be based on the sharp taste? All I know is that holding my breath for thirty seconds always does it for me. Well, almost always.
I expect getting deep throated would help as well.
Quote from: grindy on Jul 20, 2024, 09:52 PMI expect getting deep throated would help as well.
I bet doing the deep throating would be even more effective.