Someone I knew is in the hospital rn for vaping and I'm freaking out as someone who has been vaping for 4ish years, I knew the dangers only after starting but now learning just how quickly especially these disposables can give u diminished lung capacity I am very determined to quit soon so that I do not die. Really worried of the long term effects of this.
If you've had an issue with smoking or vaping, did you stop? Do you still do it? How did you stop if you did?
shit is evil
I have never vaped or smoked tobacco or nicotine, but in my 20s I struggled with an awful amphetamine addiction. I was lucky enough to have a couple close friends and my parents who were able to closely work with me to help, a friend of mine actually moved in with me for about a month, which helped a lot to engage me and help me work through the cravings. I slept a lot, and I was unemployed so I had that privilege of being able to take the time to recover.
I'm not sure how different the vape addiction is from my addictions, so I'm not sure how helpful I can be. For me I had hit rock bottom desperation, I ruined my life on that stuff. So my advice would be to seek help IRL, the support of the people who cared about me was the thing that helped me get clean. My heart bleeds for you and your friend, drugs truly are evil.
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Oct 14, 2023, 06:05 PMI have never vaped or smoked tobacco or nicotine, but in my 20s I struggled with an awful amphetamine addiction. I was lucky enough to have a couple close friends and my parents who were able to closely work with me to help, a friend of mine actually moved in with me for about a month, which helped a lot to engage me and help me work through the cravings. I slept a lot, and I was unemployed so I had that privilege of being able to take the time to recover.
I'm not sure how different the vape addiction is from my addictions, so I'm not sure how helpful I can be. For me I had hit rock bottom desperation, I ruined my life on that stuff. So my advice would be to seek help IRL, the support of the people who cared about me was the thing that helped me get clean. My heart bleeds for you and your friend, drugs truly are evil.
Support systems are truly the biggest thing one can do for things like this, thank u and I'm glad ur doing better now without the drugs
How do you know its because of vaping?
And what was this person vaping, nicotine or something else?
I don't care tbh, it's miles safer than smoking and I'm healthier than the majority of people anyway.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 14, 2023, 06:40 PMHow do you know its because of vaping?
And what was this person vaping, nicotine or something else?
I don't care tbh, it's miles safer than smoking and I'm healthier than the majority of people anyway.
The doctors told her that the chemicals in the disposable vapes are what caused her to lose lung capacity. I'm warning you now, I know that vaping is somewhat even more dangerous than smoking cigarettes due to the chemicals involved will create a bio-plastic film in your lungs that eventually cuts off access to your cilia, therefore making it incapable to breathing. I knew this and have continued in shame.
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Oct 14, 2023, 07:19 PMThe doctors told her that the chemicals in the disposable vapes are what caused her to lose lung capacity. I'm warning you now, I know that vaping is somewhat even more dangerous than smoking cigarettes due to the chemicals involved will create a bio-plastic film in your lungs that eventually cuts off access to your cilia, therefore making it incapable to breathing. I knew this and have continued in shame.
I think disposables have some more concerns around them. But either way, NHS approved studies have shown that it is around 95% safer than smoking. Concerns are mostly around the regulations. I know it can cause popcorn lung because of diacetyl but that occurs in smoking Sr a higher rate iirc.
Where did you hear it was more dangerous than smoking?
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 14, 2023, 07:28 PMI think disposables have some more concerns around them. But either way, NHS approved studies have shown that it is around 95% safer than smoking. Concerns are mostly around the regulations. I know it can cause popcorn lung because of diacetyl but that occurs in smoking Sr a higher rate iirc.
Where did you hear it was more dangerous than smoking?
I personally made that call bc of how quickly some vapes can lead to popcorn lung
I know I'm old and unqualified to make this call, but I just find vaping so deeply uncool.
- It's worse than wearing socks in your sandals
- It's worse than driving a Segway
- It's worse than what we call fast sunglasses
- It's lamer than being into astrology
- It's lamer than having metal detecting as your hobby
- It's worse than having glasses that can be split in the middle, but are held together by magnet
- It's worse than Eurovision pop music
- It's lamer than pre-ripped jeans
- It's even lamer than smoking
- It's just slightly above the level of an adult wearing a onepiece
I was with you until the Eurovision slander and the adult in a onesie slander.
You don't know true comfort until you wearing a onesie as an adult.
I really don't understand the hate for vaping. Surely something that gets smokers off cigerattes and onto something far less harmful is a good thing?
I'd consider a onesie. If you can get some that don't look ridiculous and are just one piece with zip pockets on and are warm then I may be willing to convert.
I'll heartily back up
@Guybrush on both vaping and Eurovision, but coming after onesies is going too far. Those things are cozy as hell and the only reason I don't own one is because it technically falls under my no pants rule.
Blows my mind how popular Eurovision is with Americans. Can someone explain it please? You wouldn't think Americans had even heard of it but the most hardcore, dedicated fans of it I've ever encountered are from the USA.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 15, 2023, 02:14 AMBlows my mind how popular Eurovision is with Americans. Can someone explain it please? You wouldn't think Americans had even heard of it but the most hardcore, dedicated fans of it I've ever encountered are from the USA.
Yeah, that's true. It's absolutely baffling to me as well, like I have friends who obsessively livetweet it and have never been anywhere in Europe.
smoke weed till i die
Just to be clear, by onepiece/ onesie, I am thinking of this:
(https://cdna.lystit.com/1040/1300/n/photos/2013/10/16/onepiece-blue-original-onesie-royal-blue-heavy-weight-product-4-14192033-664314727.jpeg)
I'm sure they're comfortable for wearing in the house, but as for venturing out in public..
It looks like you either gave up on dressing yourself or never learned how to. 😅
And people who wear onesies also usually don't wear them as well as this guy.
It's as bad as those cultural appropriation earrings that you insert into your poor, stretched earlobes.
(https://i.cbc.ca/1.3154842.1437136786!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_780/kurt-barnett-ear-stretching-surgery.jpg)
It's worse than tramp stamps and Chinese tattoos.
It's worse than having a piercing right above your nose.
As for the coolness of vaping vs. smoking, it's no mystery. Take James Stewart and Grace Kelly just sitting and talking in a movie or perhaps Marilyn Monroe at a party. Replace their cigarettes with vapes and they'll look like idiots.
Also give them onesies, bad tattoos, stretchy earlobes, socks in sandals and have them driving segways and using metal detectors and yeah, those movies wouldn't work at all.
It depends on how far I'm going vs if I'm in a car but I will wear a onesie put in public. I'm not trying to impress anyone else like I'm a fashion model or something.
I do agree with your opinion on socks with sandals though one of my pet peeves that I will always make jokes at someone else's expense for them wearing that combo.
I was a punk kid as a teenager so I never really had any problem with nose piercings or tramp stamps or gauges/plugs. Not everyone wants to be classy.
But I'm also with you on socks with sandals. That doesn't look cool or punk rock on anyone.
Would just like to say there is a difference between socks and sandals and socks and sliders.
Socks and sliders is fine.
The older I get the more I learn to not give a single shit about what someone is wearing.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 15, 2023, 03:50 PMWould just like to say there is a difference between socks and sandals and socks and sliders.
Socks and sliders is fine.
It's the same thing to us but by all means wear whatever you want.
Quote from: grindy on Oct 15, 2023, 03:55 PMThe older I get the more I learn to not give a single shit about what someone is wearing.
It's funny because as people get older or I should say certain people they get more picky and judgemental about what other people wear.
With me, as I get older I don't care what others think about what I wear but I will still happily roast someone in public for what they are wearing. Of course I pick and choose who to tease. If I feel like that person might be able to take a joke/light ribbing. I will do it but if they look stressed out. I will keep those thoughts to myself.
What about Crocs and socks?
Edit: I don't smoke much, only really when I drink alcohol but I'm going to try my best to give them up when I'm drinking because the issues I'm having with my lungs. I think it would be sensible even if it is infrequent.
I tried to get off the drunken cigs before by vaping instead and found I would vape 24/7 and was spending more money on them than cigs so I gave that up. Hopefully when I go out to drink next weekend I can be strong enough to stay away from them!
My wife loves crocs and I hate them. I always joke that I'm going to round up all her crocs and create a bon fire.
She just got some Lisa Frank crocs recently. Last Xmas I bought her some weed crocs but yeah crocs and socks are just as bad. If your feet are that cold just put on shoes? I feel like sliders, crocs and sandals are just summer shoes. When it's too cold to wear them just don't.
I only give my own personal criticism toward others' fashion if it is asked for specifically. Otherwise if I don't have anything nice to say I don't say anything at all.
I have my general preferences of course, but speaking as someone whose main style is floral flowy dresses pretty much all day every day I'm in no position to actively critique others.
I do have a lot of friends who are into fashion from my time working in a clothing store. I think my input is more appreciated in a more fashion conscious context than just everyday whatever clothes. I still try to offer constructive criticism when I do comment on others' clothes, try to focus on offering alternative suggestions rather than poo pooing anyones style choices.
I don't really care what people wear either, so if I seem judgmental here, it's more for the sake of entertaining discussion. I don't actually mind people having fun with metal detectors 😄
Some things are lame, but I'm fine with people being lame unless it's clearly the wrong time and place for it. Like one shouldn't wear one's onesie to an office job interview.. though I'd be amused if someone did.
Wearing a onesie to a job interview would certainly leave an impression and make you stand out.
As far as the OP is concerned, I don't smoke or vape. I have friends who use weed vape pens but I don't think it's all that bad.
weed vapes r ok, it's weed
nicotine vapes on the other hand are gonna kill me very soon if I don't stop immediately and it's been worrying me the symptoms I've been developing this weekend
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Oct 17, 2023, 08:08 AMweed vapes r ok, it's weed
nicotine vapes on the other hand are gonna kill me very soon if I don't stop immediately and it's been worrying me the symptoms I've been developing this weekend
Is there some underlying health issue here that you haven't mentioned?
I used to smoke cigarettes when drinking, mostly when partying on the weekend, for many years. Then for a stretch of 3-4 months I smoked daily, mostly due to a shitty period in my life. When my life improved I decided to stop smoking and using a vape (without nicotine) was a good way to ween myself of it. Vaped for a few months, mostly when going out. Didn't like the whole feel too much and coughed much more than when I smoked cigarettes, so I stopped altogether.
You likely had the wattage or nicotine content too high. I definitely coughed more and felt worse from smoking.
IMO the best way to stop smoking is to just stop smoking. Why trade one bad habit for another?
I quit nearly 20 years ago. Around that time, a bunch of us quit because a new law prohibited smoking in pubs and restaurants and made life more difficult for smokers in various ways.
I believe I was the only one who in our group of friends who just quit cold turkey. Most of the rest either tried smoking less and didn't manage to quit or they traded smoking for snus/nuff.
This stuff:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Snus.jpg/800px-Snus.jpg)
These products exploded around that time in Norway.
Of course the problem then is you can use snus/snuff anywhere almost 24/7 so it's easy to do a lot, becomes hugely expensive and even more difficult to quit.
So they've been snusing and smoking for years and years.
Quitting smoking cold turkey isn't as hard as people imagine or make it out to be.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 17, 2023, 02:00 PMIs there some underlying health issue here that you haven't mentioned?
I vape, vapes have the research that they develop popcorn lung. I am in fear I am developing popcorn lung.
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Oct 17, 2023, 03:58 PMI vape, vapes have the research that they develop popcorn lung. I am in fear I am developing popcorn lung.
Its the diacetyl that has been linked to popcorn lung not the vaping itself.
And most liquids don't even contain diacetyl any more.
Cancer Research - https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/does-vaping-cause-popcorn-lung
NHS - https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/vaping-myths-and-the-facts/
Honestly you sound like you are having health anxiety and worrying yourself into a meltdown mate.
Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 17, 2023, 03:49 PMQuitting smoking cold turkey isn't as hard as people imagine or make it out to be.
Please don't make assumptions of things you clearly know little about. It took me 10+ years to kick cigarettes and it's as hard if not harder than people make it out to be. I only quit cold turkey because otherwise I wouldn't quit.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 17, 2023, 04:21 PMIts the diacetyl that has been linked to popcorn lung not the vaping itself.
And most liquids don't even contain diacetyl any more.
Cancer Research - https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/does-vaping-cause-popcorn-lung
NHS - https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/quit-smoking/vaping-to-quit-smoking/vaping-myths-and-the-facts/
Honestly you sound like you are having health anxiety and worrying yourself into a meltdown mate.
Hmm well the vapes I smoked have diacetyl
You're being extremely dismissing of something that I watched almost kill a friend
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Oct 17, 2023, 04:58 PMYou're being extremely dismissing of something that I watched almost kill a friend
You're making these claims and not really backing them up. Vaping itself does not cause popcorn lung but you've said you've seen how quickly it causes it. Even if we accept that it does, diacetyl exists in cigarettes at a higher rate so it wouldn't be worse than smoking.
I asked how you knew vaping was worse than smoking and you said "I personally made that call".
Like I said, you sound like you have some sort of health anxiety/paranoia.
https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/
QuoteMYTH 1 - E-cigarettes give you 'popcorn lung'
One of the most commonly held concerns is that e-cigarettes might cause 'popcorn lung'. This came about because some flavourings used in e-liquids to provide a buttery flavour contain the chemical diacetyl, which at very high levels of exposure has been associated with the serious lung disease bronchiolitis obliterans.
The condition gained its popular name because it was initially observed among workers in a popcorn factory.
However, diacetyl is banned as an ingredient from e-cigarettes and e-liquids in the UK. It had been detected in some e-liquid flavourings in the past, but at levels hundreds of times lower than in cigarette smoke. Even at these levels, smoking is not a major risk factor for this rare disease.
"Don't worry, keep vaping you'll live yay <3"
I personally made that call bc it can and does kill people a lot faster than a cigarette would normally. Cancer takes time to develop in cases, but my friend developed popcorn lung within a year and a half of vaping.
Yeah you've personally made a lot of calls, doesn't mean they are true. You are still ignoring everything posted so there is no point discussing it further.
i mean let's be honest, any kind of intake of anything related to smoking isn't great. let's not pretend that it isn't. however, it's also good to know facts versus fiction. i don't know who's wrong or right in this case but at the end of the day, we all either partake or don't partake in unhealthy activities and we only live once so who gives a fuck. smoke all you want. i'm so tired of seeing this constant holier than thou attitude that some of you seem to have. drop the act. we're all humans. flawed, but humans. if y'all arent arguing about this you're arguing about trolling at mb. it's annoying to read and quite honestly a big reason why i barely partake.
Quote from: Key on Oct 17, 2023, 04:48 PMPlease don't make assumptions of things you clearly know little about. It took me 10+ years to kick cigarettes and it's as hard if not harder than people make it out to be. I only quit cold turkey because otherwise I wouldn't quit.
Well, I only know about it from having done it.
What was your struggle like? How did you try to quit and how did it end up taking 10 years?
Would it have been easier any other way?
Quote from: Key on Oct 17, 2023, 06:10 PMi mean let's be honest, any kind of intake of anything related to smoking isn't great. let's not pretend that it isn't. however, it's also good to know facts versus fiction.
I agree with your fact vs fiction point but just to make something clear in case anyone is misunderstanding, I have not said or argued that vaping is safe. Just that it is
safer than smoking, in the context of a smoker moving on to vapes. If you're a non smoker and you take up vaping that's obviously not healthy.
And also, vaping isn't smoking so they shouldn't be lumped together as if they are the same.
Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 17, 2023, 06:16 PMWell, I only know about it from having done it.
What was your struggle like? How did you try to quit and how did it end up taking 10 years?
Would it have been easier any other way?
Nah I know I apologize if my post came off a bit crass. I woke up cranky. I tried to quit many times and the only reason I quit cold turkey is because I know myself mentally. If I give myself even a little taste of something I'm trying to get away from, i'll latch onto it immediately. My family has a history of highly addictive personalities. My older brother has been in rehab for over half my life and multiple family members have died due to drug abuse of some kind. If I want to better myself, the only way I can do it is cold turkey. While eventually it wasn't hard to quit, it got to the point where smoking cigarettes was making me sick. Up until that point my addiction was leading the journey. So unfortunately yeah it took me until I got sick to finally put an end to it.
I can't answer whether it'd been easier any other way since I didn't do it any other way but for someone like me with an addictive personality, quitting cold turkey is the ONLY way.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 17, 2023, 06:17 PMI agree with your fact vs fiction point but just to make something clear in case anyone is misunderstanding, I have not said or argued that vaping is safe. Just that it is safer than smoking, in the context of a smoker moving on to vapes. If you're a non smoker and you take up vaping that's obviously not healthy.
And also, vaping isn't smoking so they shouldn't be lumped together as if they are the same.
That's fair. I would argue that any sort of intake of any kind could be considered smoking but to each their own. The only knowledge I have of vaping is that whole deal that was made about it years ago I think. I've never dont it myself and probably never will. I have weed. Not like that's any better, hell it's probably worse tbh.
Quote from: Key on Oct 17, 2023, 06:27 PMI tried to quit many times and the only reason I quit cold turkey is because I know myself mentally. If I give myself even a little taste of something I'm trying to get away from, i'll latch onto it immediately. My family has a history of highly addictive personalities. My older brother has been in rehab for over half my life and multiple family members have died due to drug abuse of some kind. If I want to better myself, the only way I can do it is cold turkey. While eventually it wasn't hard to quit, it got to the point where smoking cigarettes was making me sick. Up until that point my addiction was leading the journey. So unfortunately yeah it took me until I got sick to finally put an end to it.
I can't answer whether it'd been easier any other way since I didn't do it any other way but for someone like me with an addictive personality, quitting cold turkey is the ONLY way.
To be fair, a reason it was easy or seemed easy to me is I had been struggling with an anxiety that I was fighting, sometimes second by second, by exposure therapy and other techniques. By the time I was ready to quit smoking, I had gotten very used to forcing myself to do things I didn't want to do. Compared to fighting my anxiety, fighting my urge to smoke seemed very easy to me at the time.
Otherwise, I'm a bit like you. I find it difficult to moderate myself (sometimes also with alcohol), but I'm very good at saying no and sticking with it.
Quote from: Key on Oct 17, 2023, 06:27 PMNah I know I apologize if my post came off a bit crass. I woke up cranky.
No worries, mate :beer:
Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 17, 2023, 06:43 PMTo be fair, a reason it was easy or seemed easy to me is I had been struggling with an anxiety that I was fighting, sometimes second by second, by exposure therapy and other techniques. By the time I was ready to quit smoking, I had gotten very used to forcing myself to do things I didn't want to do. Compared to fighting my anxiety, fighting my urge to smoke seemed very easy to me at the time.
Otherwise, I'm a bit like you. I find it difficult to moderate myself (sometimes also with alcohol), but I'm very good at saying no and sticking with it.
That's completely understandable and honestly congrats on having the strength to tell yourself to stop and keep it. It's not an easy thing and as someone who also suffers with anxiety i sympathize but again I'm happy to hear how you have prevailed over it.