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Title: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jun 17, 2023, 06:02 PM
New forum, new summer - but please don't imagine that you can escape the old problems and preoccupations!

(https://sustainabilityillustrated.com/en/files/2018/05/Climate-Change-Polarized-Issue-1.png)

All the signs and scientists are still pointing in one direction: trouble ahead for the whole planet. Here's some depressing info about how this year is shaping up so far:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/17/world/four-climate-charts-extreme-weather-heat-oceans/index.html

Where I live we are reaching 39°C at midday and people well-used to a hot climate are commenting on how hot it is.  I wonder how you guys are experiencing/responding to climate probs ?

With an open plan, kitchen-living-dining house, a/c becomes a very expensive luxury, but a friend of mine has decided to go for it, and is more-or-less air-conditioning his whole house. That's an unusually extreme approach and is also not environment-friendly. 

Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jun 17, 2023, 06:36 PM
It got to 40°c here last summer and it was an experience. Not a good one either. It was unbearable and I remember really, really wishing it would be over.

I'm a bit concerned. 40° is absolutely outrageous for England.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Jun 20, 2023, 12:29 AM
If I allowed myself to be completely selfish, I'd be like YES bring it on!! Because I love these hot, dry summers. 2018 was amazing and it looks like this might be another one.

Living in Norway, I've never seen 40 Cs, at least not in the shade.

Of course it destroys crops and fucks us over in a myriad of ways and then there's all those other countries and places that have it so much worse than us, etc.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jun 21, 2023, 01:05 AM
Shame of the West's fast fashion addiction: Mountain of discarded clothes in Chile can now be seen from SPACE (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12214989/Mountain-discarded-clothes-Chile-seen-SPACE.html)

QuoteA mountain of discarded clothes in Chile has become so large it can be seen from space.

The red-rocked desert of Chile's Atacama plateau has become a dumping ground for the West's used and faulty fashion items in recent years, with everything from ski boots to Christmas sweaters ending up in landfill in the area.

The growing and increasingly toxic pile of discarded clothes reflects the leftovers of the roughly 59,000 tons of used and unsold clothing that arrives at Chile's Iquique port each year from Europe, Asia and the United States.

Whatever can't be sold across South America stays here, as it slowly decays.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jun 21, 2023, 02:37 AM
^ Yeah, "Shame" is a well-chosen word for that - and while we're on the topic, shame on the fashion industry, which endlessly promotes the idea:
the coolest people chuck out what they have for no reason and buy new stuff just for fun.

Quote from: jimmy jazz on Jun 17, 2023, 06:36 PMIt got to 40°c here last summer and it was an experience. Not a good one either. It was unbearable and I remember really, really wishing it would be over.

I'm a bit concerned. 40° is absolutely outrageous for England.

Yeah, that's really extreme for England and v. uncomfortable too, as homes are built for cold weather, not hot.
Here in Mexico we continue with 39° heat,and I'm doing something I've never done before: checking the day's UV intensity on a cellphone app.
It's measured by a World Health Org scale: zero to twelve. From 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. we are in the high to extreme range, with avoidance/sun-screening cream recommended. Quite normal to see people with sun-umbrellas as they queue for a bus, etc. -  but only women, now that I think of it.
How about in England? I can't imagine anyone having the courage to do something that's actually quite sensible in these extreme temps. 
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Jun 21, 2023, 12:14 PM
40 C is pretty rough but some areas of Texas this past week have gotten up to 49 C aka 120 F. They are experiencing extreme heat in the range of above 100F with some topping out at 120.

Summer solistice is today and in the NY area it has been pretty nice like in the 70s to lower 80s(21 to 28 C).


Fast fashion is an issue but don't blame fashion culture. Thrift shops are super popular nowadays thank Macklemore and all the other hipsters. There are loads of people buying second hand clothing. There are even new stores that I have seen where parents can buy second hand clothing and trade in their own kids clothes they grow out of for store credit. Mainly to save money but it also has the added benefit of not contributing to that pile.

So as you know Lisna. I'm an activist well we pushed for NY to include green legislation in their state budget and it passed! It's called Build Public Renewables Act.

The Build Public Renewables Act (BPRA) will ensure that all state-owned properties that ordinarily receive power from the New York power authority (NYPA) are run on renewable energy by 2030.

Source with more info.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/03/new-york-renewable-energy-public-utilities
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Janszoon on Jun 21, 2023, 05:21 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on Jun 20, 2023, 12:29 AMIf I allowed myself to be completely selfish, I'd be like YES bring it on!! Because I love these hot, dry summers. 2018 was amazing and it looks like this might be another one.

Living in Norway, I've never seen 40 Cs, at least not in the shade.

Of course it destroys crops and fucks us over in a myriad of ways and then there's all those other countries and places that have it so much worse than us, etc.

I spent all of last August in Spain with no AC and it was in the ballpark of 40C basically every day, the only exceptions being a few days when it was even hotter. I had a great time there, but I don't ever want to be that hot for that long ever again.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jun 22, 2023, 01:33 AM
^ It's a pity it got so hot for you, Janszoon. At those kind of temps, it's pretty difficult to take an interest in anything except where the next cold drink is coming from. :(
The centre of Spain, afaik, is on its way to becoming a desert, because of extended periods of drought.

Spooky drought church in Mexico:
- built 1675
- abandoned due to plagues in village 1776
- flooded in reservoir project 1966
- June 2023: "I'm back, baby!"

(https://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-10/mexico-church-afp_650x400_61445565432.jpg)

(https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/storage/image/iglesia-quechula-sequia-mexico-200623.jpg?w=670&h=447)


Quote from: DJChameleon on Jun 21, 2023, 12:14 PMSo as you know Lisna. I'm an activist well we pushed for NY to include green legislation in their state budget and it passed! It's called Build Public Renewables Act.

The Build Public Renewables Act (BPRA) will ensure that all state-owned properties that ordinarily receive power from the New York power authority (NYPA) are run on renewable energy by 2030.

Source with more info.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/03/new-york-renewable-energy-public-utilities

Yep, I noticed your activism during a discussion in the old Environment thread that we had. Good for you!
Also, good for "Macklemore and all other hipsters".
Memoirs of an old-school proto-hipster:  I was looking for a coat in a second-hand Army Surplus store in London one winter, when I noticed Annie Lennox, working her way towards me from the other end of the coat rack. As our hands brushed together, she whispered, "You're my kind of guy, Lisna".... 
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jul 10, 2023, 03:14 PM
Temps around the world are off the charts this month, as most of us know. Here are extracts from an analysis that CNN have posted today:-
Quote[Scientists] are not holding back – "extraordinary," "terrifying" and "uncharted territory" are just a few of the ways they have described the recent spike in global temperature.

This week, the planet's average daily temperature soared to highs unseen in modern records ... they are "almost certainly" the warmest the planet has seen over a much longer time period – "probably going back at least 100,000 years," according to Jennifer Francis, a senior scientist at Woodwell Climate Research Center.

"It's quite frustrating," Otto said. The world gets hung up on blockbuster records but "these heat records are not exciting numbers," she told CNN. "They mean that people and ecosystems are dying, that people are losing their livelihoods, that agricultural land will be unusable."

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/08/world/extreme-global-temperature-heat-records-climate/index.html

And here's a graphic to worry about:-

 (https://images.axios.com/iekXbzVzczRpFj7CNl0_akpl33I=/0x0:1280x720/1920x1080/2023/05/01/1682902952733.png)

The really worrying thing about the sea temp is the quantity of heat energy that has gone into the sea to cause that temp rise. Think of when you boil water: it takes quite a while because the water is so good at absorbing heat, so it has like a heat inertia or something, and right now the planet has, locked in, an awful lot of warmer-than-usual water.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Jul 11, 2023, 09:58 AM
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Jul 10, 2023, 03:14 PMTemps around the world are off the charts this month, as most of us know. Here are extracts from an analysis that CNN have posted today:-
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/08/world/extreme-global-temperature-heat-records-climate/index.html

And here's a graphic to worry about:-

 (https://images.axios.com/iekXbzVzczRpFj7CNl0_akpl33I=/0x0:1280x720/1920x1080/2023/05/01/1682902952733.png)

The really worrying thing about the sea temp is the quantity of heat energy that has gone into the sea to cause that temp rise. Think of when you boil water: it takes quite a while because the water is so good at absorbing heat, so it has like a heat inertia or something, and right now the planet has, locked in, an awful lot of warmer-than-usual water.

Thank you for posting this. I was going to post a similar thing but just been super busy.

Another worrying thing about the water being so warm is hurricane season. The hurricanes will be stronger than ever because of how warm the water temperatures are.

Locally I experienced flooding in my area. In 6 hours around 9 inches or so of rain fell and destroyed some roads especially around bear mountain and west point in highland falls. They declared a state of emergency for my county.

Here are a few pics.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/zbrqm4cj37zy8yjs82h1p/Screenshot_20230710_055432_Facebook.jpg?rlkey=4pp2kgbp1uquydaia1lh3oqnv&dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3x8tfwm3qgrv9jxjgfujp/Screenshot_20230710_055410_Facebook.jpg?rlkey=q0nf07obm4f2jm8lgupdf5znj&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ew4gs3d4foknqcsof3y6b/Screenshot_20230710_055403_Facebook.jpg?rlkey=ebnawyhs2j73usa3nu6pz8uc7&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/863rb7hmjywwncs140ey6/Screenshot_20230710_055352_Facebook.jpg?rlkey=ljvs1du5q4307cbwb0tclr9xk&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3rekm1zt2ffgx493meqsm/Screenshot_20230710_052703_Facebook.jpg?rlkey=k9upctx0iiao3olsubxe8i481&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/owr2v9yamnk7rcceg4519/Screenshot_20230710_023818_Facebook.jpg?rlkey=6aoib4sivhsl6u7cw5df44dri&dl=0

One thing I don't get is why people feel the need to go out and drive in it. Stay the fuck at home if it's raining heavy like that.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jul 11, 2023, 01:30 PM
Safe for Swimming? (https://environmentamerica.org/resources/safe-for-swimming/)

QuoteRoughly one-half of U.S. beaches had potentially unsafe contamination levels in 2022

In 2022, 1,761 out of 3,192 tested beaches nationwide (55%) experienced at least one day on which fecal contamination reached potentially unsafe levels – that is, exceeding EPA's most protective "Beach Action Value," a conservative, precautionary tool states can use to make beach notification decisions. Beaches may also have experienced contamination on days when testing did not take place. (See "Methodology" below.)

And 363 beaches – approximately one out of every nine beaches tested nationwide – had potentially unsafe levels of fecal contamination on at least 25% of the days on which testing took place.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Janszoon on Jul 11, 2023, 11:30 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Jul 11, 2023, 01:30 PMAnd 363 beaches – approximately one out of every nine beaches tested nationwide – had potentially unsafe levels of fecal contamination on at least 25% of the days on which testing took place.

That's some shitty news.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jul 11, 2023, 11:45 PM
Quote from: Janszoon on Jul 11, 2023, 11:30 PMThat's some shitty news.

If the sharks don't get you, the brown trout will.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Jul 12, 2023, 07:24 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Jul 11, 2023, 11:45 PMIf the sharks don't get you, the brown trout will.

Speaking of sharks, people don't get why there is a rise in sharks swimming closer to beaches. It's mostly because rip currents have been wonky lately and end up pulling them closer to shore.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Jul 12, 2023, 08:40 PM
About untreated wastewater getting into our natural recipients.. It's a problem I'm somewhat aware of due to my line of work, but I'm also aware that most people have no idea. They also don't understand the staggering amount of money and investment needed to fix it.

In Norway, but probably much of the world, a lot of sewage infrastructure is old. It's from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. Ideally, it should last 100 years, but the reality is it doesn't. And since it was dug down, population count goes up in larger cities and warming climate may mean more rainwater enters the sewage system. Or rain intensity is up so there's more water when it rains. A lot of places can't really handle any rain before there's no capacity and wastewater ends up in the closest river or ocean.

People just figure these things work, including politicians, and it's not exactly sexy election material. It doesn't get politicians attention and anyways, they're woefully ignorant on all these challenges.

Copy & paste this problem to cities in the UK, US and elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Jul 12, 2023, 09:51 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on Jul 12, 2023, 08:40 PMAbout untreated wastewater getting into our natural recipients.. It's a problem I'm somewhat aware of due to my line of work, but I'm also aware that most people have no idea. They also don't understand the staggering amount of money and investment needed to fix it.

In Norway, but probably much of the world, a lot of sewage infrastructure is old. It's from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. Ideally, it should last 100 years, but the reality is it doesn't. And since it was dug down, population count goes up in larger cities and warming climate may mean more rainwater enters the sewage system. Or rain intensity is up so there's more water when it rains. A lot of places can't really handle any rain before there's no capacity and wastewater ends up in the closest river or ocean.

People just figure these things work, including politicians, and it's not exactly sexy election material. It doesn't get politicians attention and anyways, they're woefully ignorant on all these challenges.

Copy & paste this problem to cities in the UK, US and elsewhere.

Our city is currently laying new pipes to handle the waste water issues that comes from heavy rainfall. They are installing a new system for it. They have been doing construction for it going on two years now it feels like.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jul 13, 2023, 12:28 AM
Quote from: DJChameleon on Jul 11, 2023, 09:58 AMOne thing I don't get is why people feel the need to go out and drive in it. Stay the fuck at home if it's raining heavy like that.

Yeah, that's something that surprises me too. Obviously some people are caught out, mid-journey by flash-flooding etc, but from what we see on the internet, there seem to be others who think "It can't be that bad, I think I'll drive out and risk it. If I hit probs then some emergency service guy can risk his life saving me: that's their job."


Quote from: Guybrush on Jul 12, 2023, 08:40 PMPeople just figure these things work, including politicians, and it's not exactly sexy election material. It doesn't get politicians attention and anyways, they're woefully ignorant on all these challenges.

Yes, guybrush. People and politicians underestimate the size, and cost of fixing, these drainage problems. Also, before disaster strikes, leakage, contamination, restricted flow etc, below ground is typically invisible. What's even worse in terms of funding is that millions of dollars could be invested, and there's still nothing to see: no shiny new bridge or roundabout to be proud of.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Jul 13, 2023, 12:47 AM
Quote from: DJChameleon on Jul 12, 2023, 09:51 PMOur city is currently laying new pipes to handle the waste water issues that comes from heavy rainfall. They are installing a new system for it. They have been doing construction for it going on two years now it feels like.

Just guessing, but they're probably separating rainwater from household and industry sewage. From old, rainwater and sewage has usually shared the wastewater system. Later, it's been popular to separate these into two systems. It typically takes many years of not decades to completely separate a wastewater system.

We're mostly done here, but have some shared system left in the old city center where digging up streets and putting new pipes down is particularly costly and upsetting to citizens, businesses and maybe even tourists.

Sad thing is even though our wastewater infrastructure is mostly separated, we still get lots of rain and seawater into the sewage due to leaky pipes, dumb solutions, high tide, etc. It might help, but it's not a solution.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Jul 13, 2023, 06:38 AM
Quote from: Guybrush on Jul 13, 2023, 12:47 AMJust guessing, but they're probably separating rainwater from household and industry sewage. From old, rainwater and sewage has usually shared the wastewater system. Later, it's been popular to separate these into two systems. It typically takes many years of not decades to completely separate a wastewater system.

We're mostly done here, but have some shared system left in the old city center where digging up streets and putting new pipes down is particularly costly and upsetting to citizens, businesses and maybe even tourists.

Sad thing is even though our wastewater infrastructure is mostly separated, we still get lots of rain and seawater into the sewage due to leaky pipes, dumb solutions, high tide, etc. It might help, but it's not a solution.

I copy pasted this from the city's website. Does this sound familiar?

The City of Newburgh is currently operating under a consent order with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation to implement its Long Term CSO Control Plan which includes the construction of various large-scale wastewater infrastructure projects over a 15 year timeline for the purpose of reducing the frequency and duration of combined sewer overflows to the Hudson River.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jul 13, 2023, 01:05 PM
World's Air Pollution: Real-time Air Quality Index (https://waqi.info/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jul 14, 2023, 06:18 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/XYTbqNtF/B.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant prepares to release diluted radioactive water into the sea (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/japans-fukushima-nuclear-plant-prepares-release-diluted-radioactive-101290666)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jul 26, 2023, 04:40 PM
^ Yeah, that looks like a very worrying solution to the problems that still remain at Fukushima. :(

The warning from scientists about the destabilising of cold Arctic air and the consequent wobbling of the jet stream have come true this summer: that's the reason why heat domes are now afflicting the US and Europe. It sadly gives more credence to one of their next predictions, which is of a catastrophic global change: the disruption of global water currents:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/25/world/gulf-stream-atlantic-current-collapse-climate-scn-intl/index.html

This one feels close to home for me, because the UK enjoys mild winters thanks to the Gulf Stream and because the possible dates mentioned for the collapse include 2025. :yikes: 

Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jul 26, 2023, 09:57 PM
It's been absolutely pissing it down for about three weeks now Lisa, I personally am loving it because I still remember those few days where we had 40c heat last year.

I nearly cried lads I'm not joking.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Nimbly9 on Jul 27, 2023, 12:14 AM
I remember the good old days before I was born when a global ice age was coming.

Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jul 27, 2023, 12:32 AM
^ Haha! I also remember the good old days, when the weather was a slightly erratic, but well-ordered system following the predictable laws of nature. Sadly, it was just a brief period between (i) the era of making sacrifices to the gods to ensure a decent crop and (ii) waiting for climate-warming doomsday.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Nimbly9 on Jul 27, 2023, 12:47 AM
"Temperatures have been dropping for 30 years" lol....if only they knew.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jul 27, 2023, 01:02 AM

Tiny Tim - The Ice Caps Are Melting
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: jadis on Aug 03, 2023, 10:27 PM
Global Boiling
 (https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/global-boiling/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: FETCHER. on Aug 03, 2023, 11:53 PM
Scotland has been unbearable for a good 3 or 4 summers in a row. Even when it's raining. It's so humid here now, I can barely do anything without sweating buckets.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lexi Darling on Aug 04, 2023, 12:12 AM
Quote from: FETCHER. on Aug 03, 2023, 11:53 PMScotland has been unbearable for a good 3 or 4 summers in a row. Even when it's raining. It's so humid here now, I can barely do anything without sweating buckets.

Same, it was good for a couple days earlier this week but now I'm getting absolutely cooked. Summer in general is not the best time for someone who wears a full face of makeup 5 days of the week. :(
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Nimbly9 on Aug 04, 2023, 03:25 AM
It ranges about 65 to 85 degrees here even during the peak of summer.  Compared to Texas it's basically heaven.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Aug 04, 2023, 05:15 AM
Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Aug 04, 2023, 12:12 AMSame, it was good for a couple days earlier this week but now I'm getting absolutely cooked. Summer in general is not the best time for someone who wears a full face of makeup 5 days of the week. :(

I don't know shit about makeup but isn't there lighter make up available that helps during the summer months?
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lexi Darling on Aug 04, 2023, 05:29 AM
Quote from: DJChameleon on Aug 04, 2023, 05:15 AMI don't know shit about makeup but isn't there lighter make up available that helps during the summer months?

I'm not sure. I use waterproof makeup and antiperspirant setting spray which helps a lot but I've never really looked into specific makeup for summer.

The only real problem I have is my foundation melting and exposing my 5 o'clock shadow, which of course opens the floodgates for misgendering. It's less of a problem at my current job, but at my old job there was a lot more traffic and I was on the cash register 90% of the time so when my facial hair was exposed I got people calling me "sir" a lot more regularly even when I would wear dresses and makeup.

That will definitely be less of a problem once my laser treatments get far enough along. But in the meantime I'll look into summer makeup options, thanks!
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Aug 04, 2023, 07:24 AM
I love it when it's toasty, but we haven't had a really good summer since 2018. This one's been really bad.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: FETCHER. on Aug 04, 2023, 10:52 AM
Quote from: Nimbly9 on Aug 04, 2023, 03:25 AMIt ranges about 65 to 85 degrees here even during the peak of summer.  Compared to Texas it's basically heaven.

This would be heaven. Scotland got its highest ever temp last year at about 35 degrees Celsius. This year we got a few weeks of high 20's, it has been hell.

I know us British love to moan about the weather no matter what but I'd take the cooler, pissing down weather any time over those temps. I can't even take my dog a walk :(.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Aug 05, 2023, 02:23 AM
Oh man, I love 35 degrees C. That's fucking sweet.

You have to spend your days close to somewhere you can take a dip, but then I do that all through summer (and my work days) anyways.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: jimmy jazz on Aug 05, 2023, 02:46 AM
Quote from: Guybrush on Aug 05, 2023, 02:23 AMOh man, I love 35 degrees C. That's fucking sweet.

You have to spend your days close to somewhere you can take a dip, but then I do that all through summer (and my work days) anyways.

There's nowhere to do that here but that sounds lovely.

There are lakes and canals and things but you're advised not to go in them as people die all the time. It's very common in summer. They have campaigns and shit trying to get it into people's heads cos so many still ignore it and end up drowning.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Aug 05, 2023, 04:18 AM
One way to cool off in Britain is to travel back in time to 2010 and go for a swim in a public pool:-

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/12/england-has-lost-almost-400-swimming-pools-since-2010
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: FETCHER. on Aug 05, 2023, 12:39 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on Aug 05, 2023, 02:23 AMOh man, I love 35 degrees C. That's fucking sweet.

You have to spend your days close to somewhere you can take a dip, but then I do that all through summer (and my work days) anyways.

No it's horrible over here 😂, no air con, no swimming pools, nothing that you usually have to help escape the heat. It's 15 degrees here today, we have overcast and it's not raining, this is my type of weather :).
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Oct 18, 2023, 01:49 PM
21 species have been delisted from the Endangered Species Act, and not for a good reason (https://abcnews.go.com/US/21-species-delisted-endangered-species-act/story?id=104039524)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Oct 20, 2023, 02:40 PM
As usual with this thread, there is bad news about something that only a small group of scientists or locals care about or notice:-

Billions Of Crabs Missing Around Alaska:- https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/us/alaska-crabs-ocean-heat-climate/index.html

It's one more red flag for us, of course:-

QuoteTemperatures around the Arctic have warmed four times faster than the rest of the planet, scientists have reported. Climate change has triggered a rapid loss in sea ice in the Arctic region, particularly in Alaska's Bering Sea, which in turn has amplified global warming.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Nov 07, 2023, 12:54 PM
Kenya declares a public holiday for national campaign to plant 15 billion trees (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kenya-declares-surprise-public-holiday-national-campaign-plant-104683306)

QuoteThe Kenyan government says Nov. 13 will be a public holiday to allow citizens time to plant trees as part of its ambitious plan to grow 15 billion new trees by 2032

It's a nice enough idea but I can't see them getting anywhere near their 15 billion goal in 9 years.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Nov 07, 2023, 03:31 PM
^ For once some positive news in this thread: thanks, Psy-Fi! I think it's great news that a country which is not particulary wealthy is making such a national effort and grabbing global attention too : perhaps it'll shame some other countries into exploring planting schemes.

15 billion is a lot of plantings, and Kenya may well fall short, but what worries me more is that, in their haste to meet that target, they may be overlooking some key details about tree planting schemes: 


Sadly, it's not a simple, silver-bullet solution, even though most of us would like it to be. :(
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Nov 11, 2023, 05:31 PM
The Kenyan holiday is similar to what the rest of the world does every earth day in April. It's already a holiday but I think the slight difference is that you still have to work on Earth Day for most people.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Nov 11, 2023, 07:58 PM
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Nov 07, 2023, 03:31 PM^ For once some positive news in this thread: thanks, Psy-Fi! I think it's great news that a country which is not particulary wealthy is making such a national effort and grabbing global attention too : perhaps it'll shame some other countries into exploring planting schemes.

15 billion is a lot of plantings, and Kenya may well fall short, but what worries me more is that, in their haste to meet that target, they may be overlooking some key details about tree planting schemes: 


Sadly, it's not a simple, silver-bullet solution, even though most of us would like it to be. :(

Very good video that I agree with.

Another interesting point (imo) is for certain plants, like say some spruce, you might see graphs like this:

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yanliang-Wang/publication/288166146/figure/fig1/AS:613970067062804@1523393279666/Changes-in-the-rate-of-C3-photosynthesis-and-respiration-as-a-function-of-temperature.png)

Like all organisms, plants do cellular respiration. That is like us, they also breathe oxygen and expel carbon dioxide. It's just that in the presence of enough sunlight, they also do photosynthesis.

For a plant to capture carbon, the rate of photosynthesis should be higher than respiration (and also making up for nighttime when there's no photosynthesis and only respiration). It typically is, BUT by how much differs.

If you look at the graph above, it says that cellular respiration is affected more negatively by lower temperatures than photosynthesis is. So that means for this plant, it might have the most efficient carbon capture at around 10 degrees C. At 30-40, it does more respiration and would net add CO2 to the atmosphere until its inevitable death.

So if you imagine you could take a forest and just place it somewhere colder or warmer, that will affect how efficient it will be for carbon capture.

I don't think this is a huge problem or anything because I assume tree species are planted that are generally suited to the climate and will capture carbon well, but.. still interesting and maybe something to consider.

In Norway, the forests are expanding. Open areas are filling with trees, which is a bit sad for the birds and other animals that rely on these areas. Climate warming will make it so that trees can expand up / become bigger at higher altitudes, so the forests are expanding upwards where that's an option.

Like they say in the video, I believe the best thing will generally be to protect the forests we have and let them do their thing.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Shhon on Nov 22, 2023, 04:50 PM
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Dec 05, 2023, 09:22 PM
Essential herbicide, but at what cost? Paraquat remains in US despite bans elsewhere (https://abcnews.go.com/US/essential-herbicide-cost-paraquat-remains-us-despite-bans/story?id=102449938)

QuoteThe number of nations where paraquat, an agricultural herbicide, is allowed to be used continues to dwindle, yet paraquat continues to receive stamps of approval from federal regulators in the United States.

"Contrary to these dozens of countries, which have looked at the exact same data and have found that paraquat is too dangerous [and] too toxic to continue using, the United States Environmental Protection Agency reached the exact opposite conclusion," said Jonathan Kalmuss-Katz, a senior attorney with Earthjustice, a non-profit environmental law firm.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Dec 19, 2023, 10:00 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/90XcjZt9/StPKY.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Humans Are Fueling Global Warming By Just Breathing, Study Claims (https://www.ndtv.com/science/humans-are-fueling-global-warming-by-just-breathing-study-claims-4680910)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jan 09, 2024, 02:29 PM
The global warming report card for 2023 is just in:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/09/climate/temperature-rise-2023-climate-copernicus-intl/index.html

^ Personally, I found this news article is too depressing to read beyond the opening statements:-

Quote
Global warming in 2023 leaped close to the limit the world is trying to avoid.

Global warming in 2023 hit 1.48 degrees Celsius, data published Tuesday shows, as the hottest year on record propelled the world just hundredths of a degree away from a critical climate threshold.

Scientists repeatedly expressed shock in 2023 as successive heat records fell, and warned the world is moving dangerously close to the 1.5-degree limit that nearly 200 countries sought to avoid in the Paris Agreement in 2015.


Round of applause for Joe Manchin and all the Republican Senators who blocked Biden's plans to turn down the heat in the USA. 

 
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: jimmy jazz on Jan 09, 2024, 10:12 PM
It's only going to get worse.

What can you do?

Too many people don't take it seriously for anything to be done now.

Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Jan 10, 2024, 08:11 AM
Yes. It troubles me to think of what kind of world it is my children and (hopefully) my children's children will have to deal with 😢
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jan 10, 2024, 02:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Jan 09, 2024, 10:12 PMWhat can you do?

Too many people don't take it seriously for anything to be done now.

It's easy to feel that way, jimmy jazz, but I still think that efforts small and large should be made to reduce the damage as much as possible. In all the gloom, one heartening story is how the hole in the ozone layer was repaired through international co-operation. Without that, we would be in a much worse situation today: that means weather would be worse, floods would be displacing more millions of people. So there are many reasons to keep trying to reduce environmental damage, both in our personal lives and at the ballot box:-
i) to save people's homes, farms and lives
ii) to make the world less damaged for the next generation
iii) to have an answer when the next generation asks, "How could you have done nothing?!?"

Lastly, here's an analogy. Scientists have set off the fire alarm; if you're in a burning building, is it really the best response to say, "No point trying to escape."?
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jan 20, 2024, 10:23 PM

Obama - Al Gore - John Kerry - Are COLOSSAL Climate Hypocrites!
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jan 22, 2024, 02:28 PM
^ Yes, that's pretty damning hypocracy from John Kerry with his private jet trips ! TBH I didn't watch much beyond that because I found the four people on the sofa to be very annoying. I wish the speaker had just made his points seriously without the attempt to turn it into "entertainment".

Alas, it's always the same message from politicians, "Do as I say, not as I do- because unlike you undistinguished people, I am a special case VIP."
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Apr 30, 2024, 02:37 PM
Seems like the best thread in which to put this statistic that I came across today. It's about land use, and shows the percentage of land  that is devoted to agriculture in eight countries.

Which of these countries would you put at the top of the list for their percentage of agricultural land ?

France .... Germany .... Ireland .... Italy .... Netherlands .... Spain .... United Kingdom .... United States

Have a guess, then click on the graph to see if you were as mistaken as I was:-

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.AGRI.ZS?end=2021&locations=FR-GB-US-DE-NL-ES-IE-IT&start=1969
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on May 08, 2024, 06:43 AM
May 4, 2024, turns out to've been a significant day in terms of oceanic statistics. :(
Here's a worrying graph that's well worth a look imo:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/F04E/production/_133281516_era_5_global_sea_temp_lines2024-05-05-nc.png.webp)
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68921215

Notice that everything happens between just one and a half degrees of temp, but also notice that, given the total mass of the oceans, that's an awful lot of heat content. Here's a related graph:-

 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/1955-_Ocean_heat_content_-_NOAA.svg/450px-1955-_Ocean_heat_content_-_NOAA.svg.png)

^ That graph has zettajoules on the vertical axis, and we're up about 250, since the base-line zero was set in 1957. How much is 250 zettajoules?

QuoteA joule is our standard unit of heat energy. A zettajoule is that unit with 21 zeros behind it. Here is a more practical reference: All of the energy used annually by all of the people in all of the world—all of it—adds up to one half—one half—of a zettajoule
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on May 08, 2024, 07:48 AM
That's a very informative and worrying post, @Lisnaholic. Thank you so much for sharing.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on May 08, 2024, 01:48 PM
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Apr 30, 2024, 02:37 PMSeems like the best thread in which to put this statistic that I came across today. It's about land use, and shows the percentage of land  that is devoted to agriculture in eight countries.

Which of these countries would you put at the top of the list for their percentage of agricultural land ?

France .... Germany .... Ireland .... Italy .... Netherlands .... Spain .... United Kingdom .... United States

Have a guess, then click on the graph to see if you were as mistaken as I was:-

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.AGRI.ZS?end=2021&locations=FR-GB-US-DE-NL-ES-IE-IT&start=1969

I guessed the order would be the United States > France > Germany > United Kingdom > Spain > Italy > Ireland > Netherlands.

Spain was the only one I guessed correctly.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Marie Monday on May 08, 2024, 06:01 PM
It makes sense to me though, because the uk has virtually no 'wild' nature (I've barely seen a square metre of land without either buildings or sheep grazing on it or something) while the US for instance does. France and Germany also more. Holland also has pretty much none but its much more urban than the uk
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on May 09, 2024, 08:06 AM
Yes, I have seen nature in England in places like New Forest and Dartmoor, but calling it wild would be a stretch and it's never far from something developed.

I actually find it somewhat astonishing. Norway is so rocky and mountainy, it's lacking in areas suitable for agriculture. There's not a lot of flat land and the soil layer is often thin. It might not be particularly nutritious, depending on where you are. A lot of Norway doesn't feel particularly human friendly or inviting.

The British isles seem to be Norway's opposite. No huge, jagged mountains. Most of England as well as much of Wales and southern Scotland is made of raised seabed rich with nutrients of the biota from ages gone.

It seems so lush, green and easy, like it wants people to live on it.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on May 09, 2024, 03:26 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on May 09, 2024, 08:06 AMYes, I have seen nature in England in places like New Forest and Dartmoor, but calling it wild would be a stretch and it's never far from something developed.

I actually find it somewhat astonishing. Norway is so rocky and mountainy, it's lacking in areas suitable for agriculture. There's not a lot of flat land and the soil layer is often thin. It might not be particularly nutritious, depending on where you are. A lot of Norway doesn't feel particularly human friendly or inviting.

The British isles seem to be Norway's opposite. No huge, jagged mountains. Most of England as well as much of Wales and southern Scotland is made of raised seabed rich with nutrients of the biota from ages gone.

It seems so lush, green and easy, like it wants people to live on it.

^ You clearly know what you're talking about! I didn't realize that even lowland Norway had poor soil quality, so yeah, the UK has been blessed in that regard. Still, we don't come close to providing all the food the population needs: the govt figure is an alarming 46% of food is imported.

Quote from: Guybrush on May 08, 2024, 07:48 AMThat's a very informative and worrying post, @Lisnaholic. Thank you so much for sharing.

^ Thanks for the kind remark, Guybrush.
Back in 2017, when I opened an Environment thread on MB, there were still a couple of hold-out voices suggesting that global warming wasn't happening, but now, with seven more years of accumulating evidence, I don't think anyone is in doubt anymore. Ultimately, that's bad news.
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Thanks for checking the Agricultural Land link, guys :thumb:
I made the same mistakes as you, Psy-Fi, putting the USA at the top because of all those images of prairie farming in my head (Wizard of Oz, Days of Heaven, etc). It took Marie to remind me that I had overlooked those Rocky Mountains - so vast compared to the homely scale of Britain. In fact, when my students ask about England, I usually compare the countryside to The Shire in Lord of the Rings, even though that does miss out rather a lot of modern, urban Britain.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on May 09, 2024, 03:51 PM
Anyone that is heavily invested in oil still thinks that global warming isn't happening.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jun 18, 2024, 12:25 PM
Landmark EU nature restoration plan gets the green light despite months of protests by farmers (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/landmark-eu-nature-restoration-plan-gets-final-approval-111175629)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jul 23, 2024, 01:58 PM
Sharks off Brazil coast test positive for cocaine (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cek9mr43x1xo)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Sep 08, 2024, 04:27 PM
^ Sad, funny, alarming ? Although that report mentions a hundred-fold increase in cocaine levels, it rather annoyingly neglects to say what the levels are: neither the original level nor the hundred-fold increase level are mentioned. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know how those sharks stack up against the effects of snorting a line of coke. 
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Global warming continues to produce changes that were hard to predict, or hard to imagine, although this story was envisioned in that Steely Dan lyric, "California tumbles in to the sea...":

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/07/climate/rancho-palos-verdes-landslide-rainfall/index.html

What strikes me unfair is that California is so often in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation. Exceptional droughts cause wildfires, exceptional rain cause floods. And how about these consecutive paragraphs from the article, explaining some reasons why the ground is shifting at a truly remarkable rate:-

 
Quote...as can adding too much water to the ground, Griggs said. In Southern California, "people wanted to pretend they lived in the tropics," he said, "and planted a lot of landscaping that required lots of watering."

Deforestation is another factor. Tree and plant roots hold the soil together and ripping them out can destabilize the ground, the University of Hull's Petley said.

The at-a-glance take away seems to be the condradictory advice: don't pull up trees, but don't plant any either. Of course the real advice is as it so often is: the existing environment is in a complex and delicate balance, and any changes need to be really fine-tuned.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Sep 08, 2024, 05:39 PM

The Hidden Engineering of Landfills
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Sep 09, 2024, 04:17 PM
I really enjoyed that down-in-the-details explanation of a process I only vaguely understood. Thanks.
I feel like I'm now ready to re-watch that Erin Brockovitch movie, this time paying attention to all the small details about testing for pollution, etc.

As for that landslide story out of California, I see this morning that some residents are saying "Hell no, we won't go!" That may demonstrate a foolish courage - after all, you can't fight against a big landslip; parts of Rancho Palos Verdes are moving at 10 inches per week, and that is so fast that it's pointless to try patching things up and carrying on; the safest policy is to stand back and wait for it to settle.

Here is a landslip that I enjoyed clambered over while on holiday as a child. It made an interesting bit of topography to explore, but as is often the case when comparing the UK to the US, this is both smaller and older: the original fall of land was in 1839. Check out the people on the beach to get a sense of scale, and the vegetation which shows what will Rancho Palos Verdes may look like in 150 years time:-

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CRNHEP/a-massive-landslip-at-black-ven-between-lyme-regis-and-charrmouthdorset-CRNHEP.jpg)

To my surprise, though, this area of coastline has seen more recent movement, in 2008. The clear message: there are some areas in the world where any piece of land arrogant enough to call itself a cliff will have its day of reckoning, and puny peeps can't do much about it:-

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/01/16/46157029-9849609-image-a-42_1627830034246.jpg)
 

Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Sep 22, 2024, 09:41 PM
Pope denounces slaying of Honduran environmental defender (https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pope-denounces-slaying-honduran-environmental-defender-113912217)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Sep 26, 2024, 01:52 PM
Morning Glory Pool Used To Be Brilliant Blue Until Tourists Ruined It (https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/09/21/morning-glory-pool-used-to-be-brilliant-blue-until-tourists-started-throwing-stuff-in-it/)


QuoteMorning Glory Pool near Old Faithful was once one of the most beautiful thermal pools in Yellowstone National Park. It was a brilliant clear blue, but lost its color after decades of tourists throwing stuff in it.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Sep 27, 2024, 04:03 PM
Wildfire was caused by man trying to cremate his dog, affidavit says (https://www.kplctv.com/2024/09/25/wildfire-was-caused-by-man-trying-cremate-his-dog-affidavit-says/)


Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Oct 09, 2024, 03:09 PM
Officials expect Florida's coastline to change amid Hurricane Milton (https://abcnews.go.com/US/officials-expect-floridas-shoreline-change-amid-hurricane-milton/story?id=114610200)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Oct 17, 2024, 02:43 PM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Sep 26, 2024, 01:52 PMMorning Glory Pool Used To Be Brilliant Blue Until Tourists Ruined It (https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/09/21/morning-glory-pool-used-to-be-brilliant-blue-until-tourists-started-throwing-stuff-in-it/)

Well, that's a depressing reflection on tourism :(

...and here's an article about ongoing damage to the world's water cycle:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/16/climate/global-water-cycle-off-balance-food-production/index.html

Along with a lot of bad news ( and a shockingly high water consumption per person per day), I found this paragraph particularly dispiriting:-

QuoteThe report's authors say world governments must recognize the water cycle as a "common good" and address it collectively. Countries are dependent on each other, not only through lakes and rivers that span borders, but also because of water in the atmosphere, which can travel huge distances — meaning decisions made in one country can disrupt rainfall in another.

I imagine we all share the same reaction: "Yeah, that's never going to happen."
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Oct 28, 2024, 04:20 PM
World falling "miles short' of emissions goals to curb climate change, U.N. says, sounding the alarm (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-world-miles-short-emissions-goals/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Guybrush on Oct 29, 2024, 06:01 AM
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Oct 28, 2024, 04:20 PMWorld falling "miles short' of emissions goals to curb climate change, U.N. says, sounding the alarm (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-world-miles-short-emissions-goals/)

It is sad, this world we're setting up for our children.

There's never been a more critical time than now. We need action. Too bad climate change doesn't seem to engage people more politically, like in the upcoming US election.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Oct 30, 2024, 01:05 PM
Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 29, 2024, 06:01 AMIt is sad, this world we're setting up for our children.

There's never been a more critical time than now. We need action. Too bad climate change doesn't seem to engage people more politically, like in the upcoming US election.

I think the climate change issue needs a new figurehead.

Greta Thunberg just ain't cuttin' it.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Nov 27, 2024, 02:03 PM
Just in case anyone, by mistake, is feeling optimistic or cheerful this morning, here's an article about methane in the atmosphere. Methane leeking out  from permafrost land as it thaws, which of course is happening with ever greater frequency these days. That's over such wide areas of land that it's effectively impossible to control. This article focuses on methane coming from specific, industrial sources:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/27/climate/methane-polluters-satellite/index.html

" Methane pollution has long been underestimated and not well-understood, and yet natural gas — which is up to 90% methane — is rising as the fossil fuel of choice to generate electricity. What scientists do know is that methane traps about 80 times as much heat as carbon dioxide in their first 20 years in the atmosphere." 
:yikes:
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Dec 17, 2024, 03:20 PM
These ocean explorers have seen the damage done by industrial fishing. They want it to stop (https://www.cnn.com/world/bottom-trawling-ocean-c2e-spc/index.html)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Dec 18, 2024, 10:50 AM
A controversial plan to refreeze the Arctic is seeing promising results. But scientists warn of big risks (https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/climate/refreeze-arctic-real-ice/index.html)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Dec 18, 2024, 11:47 PM
Russia's Black Sea beaches flooded with oil from wreck of tankers (https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/europe/russian-tankers-oil-spill-beaches-black-sea-intl/index.html)


QuoteLong stretches of Russia's Black Sea coastline are covered in oil spilled by the wreck of two Russian tankers over the weekend, with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky warning of an "environmental disaster."
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Dec 31, 2024, 03:40 PM
Something not immediately obvious about the "spanner in the works" metaphor is how easily one or two bad actors can screw up a complex process that would be beneficial to all. Here's a year's-end summary and article in which Saudi Arabia are named and shamed as champions of environmental irresponsibility:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/31/climate/climate-negotiations-obstruction-saudi-arabia/index.html
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 04, 2025, 08:23 PM
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Dec 31, 2024, 03:40 PMSomething not immediately obvious about the "spanner in the works" metaphor is how easily one or two bad actors can screw up a complex process that would be beneficial to all. Here's a year's-end summary and article in which Saudi Arabia are named and shamed as champions of environmental irresponsibility:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/31/climate/climate-negotiations-obstruction-saudi-arabia/index.html

Alfalfa is one of the most water intensive crops to grow. Saudi banned the crop in 2018, then managed to get water rights and opened alfalfa farms in Arizona and California. Arizona at least, revoked their permits last year. IDK about Cali!
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 04, 2025, 08:36 PM
10 charts of the clean energy transition.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-energy/the-state-of-the-clean-energy-transition-in-10-charts (https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-energy/the-state-of-the-clean-energy-transition-in-10-charts)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Psy-Fi on Jan 06, 2025, 02:49 PM
Biden bans new offshore drilling along most of the U.S. coastline (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/biden-bans-new-offshore-drilling-us-coastline-atlantic-pacific-trump-rcna186338)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 10, 2025, 05:30 PM
In 2024 96% of new energy capacity in the US was carbon free. There are also approximately 10,000 projects (that# seems high, must be a lot of community projects) backed up waiting to be connected to the grid for lack of grid capacity.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 10, 2025, 07:01 PM
Who'da thunk it...
Building materials as carbon storage.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq8594 (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq8594)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Jan 12, 2025, 02:00 AM
Quote from: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 04, 2025, 08:36 PM10 charts of the clean energy transition.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-energy/the-state-of-the-clean-energy-transition-in-10-charts (https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-energy/the-state-of-the-clean-energy-transition-in-10-charts)

Thanks for all the information in that link, Buck. It's nice and clear, being set out in charts, and, remarkably for this thread, is not all depressing :thumb:

Quote from: Psy-Fi on Jan 06, 2025, 02:49 PMBiden bans new offshore drilling along most of the U.S. coastline (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/biden-bans-new-offshore-drilling-us-coastline-atlantic-pacific-trump-rcna186338)

Go, Joe Biden! :clap:
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 13, 2025, 01:39 AM
Here's a reflection on 2024 from the Rational Optimist Society, it's partly about the environment, so I thought this was the best place for it.

https://www.rationaloptimistsociety.com/post/part-2-the-five-frontiers (https://www.rationaloptimistsociety.com/post/part-2-the-five-frontiers)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 14, 2025, 07:10 PM

The $115 number is an aggregate. For EV's alone the number came in at $97, $3 below the estimated parity with ICE. China has even cheaper batteries because of both govt. policy and a change in manufacturing practice.

QuoteNew York, December 10, 2024 – Battery prices saw their biggest annual drop since 2017. Lithium-ion battery pack prices dropped 20% from 2023 to a record low of $115 per kilowatt-hour, according to analysis by research provider BloombergNEF (BNEF). Factors driving the decline include cell manufacturing overcapacity, economies of scale, low metal and component prices, adoption of lower-cost lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries, and a slowdown in electric vehicle sales growth. This figure represents a global average, with prices varying widely across different countries and application areas.

https://about.bnef.com/blog/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-see-largest-drop-since-2017-falling-to-115-per-kilowatt-hour-bloombergnef/ (https://about.bnef.com/blog/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-see-largest-drop-since-2017-falling-to-115-per-kilowatt-hour-bloombergnef/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 14, 2025, 07:24 PM
I've never been a fan of leasing a car, but for EV's at the moment it might be the way to go...

From Semafor...

QuoteGlobal electric-vehicle sales rose 25% to a record 17 million cars last year, a jump driven largely by soaring sales in China. Experts have warned that growth will likely cool this year, with the European market slowing after Germany removed subsidies, while Chinese producers have forecasted a domestic lull. In the US, sales increased by 9%, though the more moderate growth is partly explained by a surge in EV leasing: Federal lease subsidies have fueled the change, with almost half of all EV transactions now being leases, compared to just a quarter for the car market as a whole. "Almost everyone leases," Toyota's US sales chief told The Wall Street Journal. "You'd be a fool not to."

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ev-lease-tax-credit-loophole-taxpayers-85fc489b?utm_source=semafor (https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ev-lease-tax-credit-loophole-taxpayers-85fc489b?utm_source=semafor)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 14, 2025, 07:59 PM
Of the 17M, China accounted for 11M, almost double RoW combined.

QuoteGlobal sales of fully electric and plug-in hybrid  vehicles increased by 25.6% year-on-year in December, reaching a total of 17 million cars in 2024, according to data released on Tuesday.

https://evmagz.com/2024-sees-strong-growth-in-global-ev-market-with-china-leading-the-way/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email (https://evmagz.com/2024-sees-strong-growth-in-global-ev-market-with-china-leading-the-way/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 16, 2025, 06:20 PM
Do you live near a super methane emmitter, secret or otherwise?

https://wastemap.earth/map?mode=country&country=USA&city=&site= (https://wastemap.earth/map?mode=country&country=USA&city=&site=)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 16, 2025, 06:35 PM
Virtual Power Plants 2.0, the German model, comes to Texas.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/virtual-power-plants/sonnen-solrite-to-offer-free-batteries-and-solar-to-texas-homeowners (https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/virtual-power-plants/sonnen-solrite-to-offer-free-batteries-and-solar-to-texas-homeowners)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 18, 2025, 07:49 PM
From NREL. I'm surprised more federal land is not already in use for renewables...

QuoteA new study from NREL highlights the potential for solar, wind, and geothermal energy on these lands, where currently only 4% of utility-scale renewable energy capacity is deployed. The research shows federal lands could support a much larger share of the nation's energy demand while still leaving significant room for other land uses.

In the central three scenarios, NREL estimates 51–84 gigawatts of solar photovoltaics, wind, and geothermal capacity could be deployed by 2035 on federal lands. The total land area used for these technologies ranges from 325,000 to 2 million acres, which is less than 0.5% of all federal land area—and a large fraction of that land could still be used for other purposes.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 21, 2025, 09:26 PM
China hits its 2030 wind and solar targets 6 years early. They might even hit peak emissions in 2025.

QuoteHONG KONG, Jan 21 (Reuters) - China broke its own records for new wind and solar power installations again last year, official data showed on Tuesday, accelerating from a breakneck pace set in 2023 as the country looks to peak its carbon emissions before 2030.
Installed solar and wind power capacity climbed 45.2% and 18%, respectively, in 2024, the National Energy Administration said on Tuesday.
There is now 886.67 GW of installed solar power, up from 609.49 GW in 2023, it said. The United States had 139 GW in 2023, according to the International Renewable Energy Agency.


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-solar-wind-power-installed-capacity-soars-2024-2025-01-21/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-solar-wind-power-installed-capacity-soars-2024-2025-01-21/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Jan 27, 2025, 09:46 PM


QuoteWhen Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991 it pushed some 20 million tons of SO₂ into the stratosphere reducing global temperatures by ~0.5°C for two years. Make Sunsets is a startup that replicates this effort at small scale to reduce global warming. To be precise, Make Sunsets launches balloons that release SO₂ into the stratosphere, creating reflective particles that cool the Earth. Make Sunsets is cheap compared to alternative measures of combating climate change such as carbon capture. They estimate that $1 per gram of SO₂ offsets the warming from 1 ton of CO₂ annually.

As with the eruption of Pinatubo, the effect is temporary but that is both bug and feature. The bug means we need to keep doing this so long as we need to lower the temperature but the feature is that we can study the effect without too much worry that we are going down the wrong path.

Solar geoengineering has tradeoffs, as does any action, but a recent risk study finds that the mortality benefits far exceed the harms:

the reduction in mortality from cooling—a benefit—is roughly ten times larger than the increase in mortality from air pollution and ozone loss—a harm.

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2025/01/make-sunsets.html (https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2025/01/make-sunsets.html)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Feb 02, 2025, 09:00 PM
Electricity generation in the EU broke some records in 2024.
For the first time solar at 11% overtook coal at 10%. Total EU electricity generation from fossil fuels declined from 39% in 2023 to 29% in 2024.

No 2024 info for the US yet, but the comparable fossil # for 2023 was 60%. Let's hope the US dropped some in 2024.
95% of new US generating capacity that came online in 2024 was renewable, mostly solar.

https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/european-electricity-review-2025/ (https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/european-electricity-review-2025/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Feb 07, 2025, 09:33 PM
Bloomberg New Energy Finance(BNEF) reports that in 2024 investment in no/low carbon infrastructure broke $2T for the first time. Up from less than $1T in 2020.

https://about.bnef.com/blog/global-investment-in-the-energy-transition-exceeded-2-trillion-for-the-first-time-in-2024-according-to-bloombergnef-report/ (https://about.bnef.com/blog/global-investment-in-the-energy-transition-exceeded-2-trillion-for-the-first-time-in-2024-according-to-bloombergnef-report/)
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: DJChameleon on Feb 07, 2025, 09:41 PM

QuoteAs the Trump administration rushes to cut spending and eliminate federal jobs, even the people who work at the national parks — among the country's most beloved and least politicized institutions — find themselves directly in the crosshairs.

Last week, the seasonal workers who staff 433 national parks and historical sites, including Yosemite, Death Valley and Joshua Tree, began receiving emails saying their job offers for the 2025 season had been "rescinded," with little further explanation.


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-30/national-parks-on-chopping-block-as-trump-cuts-federal-jobs
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Buck_Mulligan on Feb 16, 2025, 07:41 PM
Don't know if these numbers are accurate, how they were developed, or where they came from, but if even 50% accurate they're still shocking.

QuoteChernobyl was the worst nuclear disaster in history. Depending on who you ask, it killed somewhere between 4,000 and 60,000 people.
 
The global retreat from nuclear that followed killed an estimated 4 million people through increased air pollution alone.
Title: Re: The Environment Thread
Post by: Lisnaholic on Mar 06, 2025, 04:06 PM
Another step backwards for the environment:

US stops sharing air quality data from embassies worldwide. Scientists say that cuts out a vital resource for global health :
 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/05/world/us-air-quality-pollution-intl-hnk/index.html

It's a news item that is just crying out for some clever remark linking lack of transparency (air) and lack of transparency (information), but I'm to depressed/busy to work it out.