Something Completely Different

Thought I'd post the thread.

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For me:

Blur > The La's > Oasis

If The La's did more they might be number 1 but they just didn't do enough.

Can we stick a poll on this thing (and then debate about which bands, if any, should be removed from the polling)? Ideally, I'd like ranked choice voting, but I don't think we've got that.

Are Super Furry Animals Britpop? Manic Street Preachers?

I'm firmly in the camp that says Radiohead is not Britpop, but I begrudgingly accept that others may not feel the same way.

I'm OK with that. I can't do it so the mods need to do it.

BTW include whichever bands you want. Radiohead qualify in my opinion.

Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 29, 2025, 07:22 PMI'm OK with that. I can't do it so the mods need to do it.

@Trollheart @Guybrush @Auroras In Ice

This thread needs an injection from a professional.

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Here is my official stance on all bands I've seen mentioned, minus The La's as I am not familiar.

Blur > Super Furry Animals > Oasis > Pulp > Manic Street Preachers > Radiohead > Supergrass > Suede

I have to say, I don't appreciate you guys robbing my personal photos to use in your gifs!

Let me know what bands you want in the poll and I'll get it sorted.

Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 29, 2025, 07:44 PMHere is my official stance on all bands I've seen mentioned, minus The La's as I am not familiar.

Blur > Super Furry Animals > Oasis > Pulp > Manic Street Preachers > Radiohead > Supergrass > Suede

Get this - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_La%27s_(album)

If we're going to include the La's, could a case be made for the Stone Roses to be included?

I don't think The Verve should be included.

"Are you interested in the football?"

"NOOOO!!!!"

 :laughing:

Ahem...

Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 29, 2025, 07:46 PMLet me know what bands you want in the poll and I'll get it sorted.

Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 29, 2025, 08:42 PMAhem...

I think we need to argue about it first, but I'm comfortable adding the following:

• Oasis
• Blur
• Pulp
• Suede
• Super Furry Animals
• Supergrass
• The La's

Okay I'll add those and then I can add more if you need. You want multiple voting or just one each?

Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 29, 2025, 08:58 PMOkay I'll add those and then I can add more if you need. You want multiple voting or just one each?

How does 'multiple voting' work? You can't just choose every option, can you? Can you restrict it to 2 or 3?

Quote from: SGR on Mar 29, 2025, 08:51 PMI think we need to argue about it first, but I'm comfortable adding the following:

• Oasis
• Blur
• Pulp
• Suede
• Super Furry Animals
• Supergrass
• The La's

i really don't consider super furry animals britpop, the others are all fair imo

Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 29, 2025, 09:11 PMi really don't consider super furry animals britpop, the others are all fair imo

I'm fine with axing them. If others have objections, speak up.

Okay what I've done is allowed everyone three votes each, so you can choose (duh) your top three. If there are other bands or artists to be added, let me know, but for now I've included "Other" as a catchall for those not featured, just in case. The poll has no closing date so will remain open until you guys want to close it.

I am Trollheart, and I approve this message.

Quote from: SGR on Mar 29, 2025, 08:23 PMIf we're going to include the La's, could a case be made for the Stone Roses to be included?

I don't think The Verve should be included.

Yes you can add them. The Stone Roses are even worse than Oasis in my opinion.

Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 29, 2025, 10:04 PMYes you can add them. The Stone Roses are even worse than Oasis in my opinion.

Right you are jj, Oasis had 3 great records (4 if you count The Masterplan), while The Stone Roses only had one.  8)

Quote from: SGR on Mar 29, 2025, 10:32 PMRight you are jj, Oasis had 3 great records (4 if you count The Masterplan), while The Stone Roses only had one.  8)

Well at least Oasis released a few and made a proper go of it even if most of them are shit and the best ones are just average.

The Stone Roses didn't have any great records. Ian Brown's solo stuff is better than TSR and that's saying something. Their reputation grows every year as well. It's ridiculous. I'm convinced it's to do with the BBC having their studio in Salford and dedicating so much time and money to music from round there. They absolutely wank off this sort of thing.

Right, well, as someone who's pretty much disinterested in Britpop (the lads from the Sahara had a few half-decent hits, not mad about the boys who flash by in a splurge of colour, and the ones who crush everything are decent enough but I haven't heard enough) let me know definitively what bands you want added so that I know.

Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 29, 2025, 09:29 PMOkay what I've done is allowed everyone three votes each, so you can choose (duh) your top three. If there are other bands or artists to be added, let me know, but for now I've included "Other" as a catchall for those not featured, just in case. The poll has no closing date so will remain open until you guys want to close it.

I am Trollheart, and I approve this message.

By coincidence, 3 is exactly the number of votes I'd need if the poll question was "Britpop bands you have heard something by", but jj makes it look like it's a by-invitation-only thread ?

Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 29, 2025, 07:17 PMThought I'd post the thread.

@Lexi Darling @SGR @Marie Monday @Guybrush @Janszoon @jimmy jazz @Trollheart @Suburban Placeholder? @Hope @Thelonious Monkey @DJChameleon @Auroras In Ice @Saulaac @Buck_Mulligan @Jwb @Qwerty Sanchez

Lisna, you're the kind of guy who doesn't need an invitation. You have a VIP pass to all threads!  8)  :checkmark:

Absolutely, as long as you don't ask me to include that Mexipop band, Los Chicos Ingleses!  :laughing:

Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 30, 2025, 03:46 PMBy coincidence, 3 is exactly the number of votes I'd need if the poll question was "Britpop bands you have heard something by", but jj makes it look like it's a by-invitation-only thread ?

You don't need permission. I just tagged people to make sure the thread was seen.

You're a big hitter and you can do what you like  8)

Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 30, 2025, 03:46 PMBy coincidence, 3 is exactly the number of votes I'd need if the poll question was "Britpop bands you have heard something by", but jj makes it look like it's a by-invitation-only thread ?

Which 3 would that be?

Suede hasn't gotten much love here, and I'm not that high on their first record - but their follow-up record, Dog Man Star, is a very good record.

Thank you, Saulaac, Trollheart and jimmy jazz ! I genuinely appreciate those comments of affirmation. :thumb:

Quote from: SGR on Mar 30, 2025, 08:41 PMWhich 3 would that be?

In order of "quantity of material heard" it goes: Oasis > Blur > The La's
I'd probably say the same order for who I liked as well. I have noticed that Oasis are being dismissed by many people, both online generally and on SCD. They aren't a favourite band of mine and are apparently very arrogant brothers irl, but as a band:-

i) they were big enough to "break through" in Mexico, replacing Beatles, Floyd and Queen as the band that students might mention.
ii) they were pioneers, afaik, of that post-modern recycling technique of putting chunks of older artists' style into new songs.
iii) they had some super-catchy hooks, on What's The Story, for example. I once saw their big hits dismissed as "pub singalongs", and perhaps that's why they have fallen from popularity since their '90s heydays.

Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 30, 2025, 11:57 PMIn order of "quantity of material heard" it goes: Oasis > Blur > The La's
I'd probably say the same order for who I liked as well. I have noticed that Oasis are being dismissed by many people, both online generally and on SCD. They aren't a favourite band of mine and are apparently very arrogant brothers irl, but as a band:-

i) they were big enough to "break through" in Mexico, replacing Beatles, Floyd and Queen as the band that students might mention.
ii) they were pioneers, afaik, of that post-modern recycling technique of putting chunks of older artists' style into new songs.
iii) they had some super-catchy hooks, on What's The Story, for example. I once saw their big hits dismissed as "pub singalongs", and perhaps that's why they have fallen from popularity since their '90s heydays.

Despite our various debates and disagreements, it's takes like these that remind me of why I like you so much, Lisna  ;)

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I've made no secret that I'm a big fan of Oasis, but I think like many bands that get big, they reached a point of 'critical-mass' in terms of attention and stardom that elicited a knee-jerk reaction to them and their music among some, especially in retrospect (and I'm not referring to anyone on this forum, rather just generally). In some ways, it's similar to the reaction/reassessment U2 started to get after the '90s (though I'd argue, unlike U2, Oasis didn't completely sell out, and also unlike U2, their ability to write big hits and keep relevant started to seriously wane).

I think there may be a difference in perspective between Blur and Oasis among the British and Americans. I can only speak for my experience, but Oasis' music did not feel as unabashedly British as Blur's did, and I was also able to relate to it a lot more. It's no secret that Oasis came from much more of a working class background (than Blur f.ex) - parents were Irish immigrants, they had an abusive alcoholic father, they never went to art school, etc. So when they were ripping off T.Rex tunes and singing about the joys of cigarettes and alcohol, that resonated with me as a teenager. For me, add to the fact that I have a brother with a somewhat similarly truculent relationship as Liam and Noel have (though much less physically abusive). One grandfather of mine was a millworker, the other was a farmer, so working class has been my ancestry. Oasis' debut Definitely Maybe was actually the first album I ever bought with my own money. So of course, many of Oasis' tunes of love and drinking hit a little closer to home than songs from Blur that (f.ex) relayed stories of men who escaped the city by retiring to expensive country houses.

Also, Oasis to me always had an effortless aspect of coolness and attitude that Blur wish they had, but never did.


To be fair to Blur though, I like a lot of their stuff too, though the stuff I love the most probably comes from 13, which was more art-rock than Britpop.

Blur and Pulp both well in the lead, with 6 and 5 votes respectively, while Oasis make up a poor third with, well, 3 votes.

Quote from: SGR on Mar 31, 2025, 01:03 AMDespite our various debates and disagreements, it's takes like these that remind me of why I like you so much, Lisna  ;)

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Right back at you, SGR  :love:
Thanks for your insightful post, insightful on two counts: some background about the Gallagher brothers which was new to me, and a rare glimpse of your own family and past too. :thumb:

QuoteI've made no secret that I'm a big fan of Oasis, but I think like many bands that get big, they reached a point of 'critical-mass' in terms of attention and stardom that elicited a knee-jerk reaction to them and their music among some, especially in retrospect (and I'm not referring to anyone on this forum, rather just generally). In some ways, it's similar to the reaction/reassessment U2 started to get after the '90s (though I'd argue, unlike U2, Oasis didn't completely sell out, and also unlike U2, their ability to write big hits and keep relevant started to seriously wane).

^ Yep, I didn't spell it out in my post, but that was my feeling about Oasis' popularity too: that it was really high at one point, then , as people got a bit bored with the old songs, there was a backlash to hide the embarrassment of all the superlatives that had been lavished on Oasis earlier.

Oasis defo don't have effortless cool. Liam forces it as well as his working classness.

The walk  :laughing:
The sunglasses  :laughing:
The overkill of swearing  :laughing:
The football fandom :laughing:

Regarding this post from Lisna:

QuoteI once saw their big hits dismissed as "pub singalongs", and perhaps that's why they have fallen from popularity since their '90s heydays.

I don't think they have fallen from popularity. They're just as popular now if not more so. They haven't released anything in twenty years but people younger than me gravitate toward them. I've said this before but they're genuinely held in the same regard as the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Stones etc by a particular type of person. It's really strange. As I said, think it's partly to do with the BBC and what they push. You don't have to dig deep to find their music, it's just there.

Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 31, 2025, 07:27 PMOasis defo don't have effortless cool. Liam forces it as well as his working classness.

The walk  :laughing:
The sunglasses  :laughing:
The overkill of swearing  :laughing:
The football fandom :laughing:

I very rarely got the sense that they were putting on a front or forcing an image. I feel like the closest they came to that is when they leaned too deeply into the Beatles (e.g. "Don't Look Back in Anger", "Champagne Supernova", "All Around the World"). Still, I do think that came from a genuine love for The Beatles. I think it's sort of like you said, they're a couple of knobheads - but it's the fact that they embrace it that makes them come off as authentic (similar thing with Mark E. Smith, total asshole, but he embraced it and didn't shy away from it that made it oddly endearing). They behave practically the same way today (in interviews, f.ex) as they did in 1996, though likely with a little less inebriation. I've got a very sophomoric sense of humor too, so the humor of the Gallagher brothers is right up my alley.  :laughing:

Noel less so. Liam definitely does though.

Quote from: SGR on Mar 30, 2025, 08:43 PMSuede hasn't gotten much love here, and I'm not that high on their first record - but their follow-up record, Dog Man Star, is a very good record.

yeah was actually listening to it yesterday and thinking maybe I'm doing them an injustice not voting for them (I like them, Pulp and Blur about equally anyway but there's only so many bands you can vote for). At least, I listen to dog man star more often than anything by those other bands. The real injustice is Super Furry Animals being rated so low though, even though I don't consider them britpop. By far the best band in this thread

ps Super Furry Animals being much better than the other bands here is also why they shouldn't be classified as britpop xoxo