I decided to make a dedicated thread for news items about the right wing's persecution of LGBTQIA+ people into one thread, because this shit is happening and I think having this all in one place will be good to illustrate how hellbent the American Nazi Party is on terrorizing sexual and gender minorities.
DHS quietly axes ban on surveillance based on LGBTQ identity (https://www.advocate.com/politics/dhs-allows-surveillance-sexual-orientation)
The New McCarthyism: LGBTQ+ Purges In Government Begin (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/the-new-mccarthyism-lgbtq-purges)
Push for Supreme Court To Overturn Gay Marriage in Multiple States - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/push-supreme-court-gay-marriage-states-2036390)
LGBTQ Federal Workers Brace for a McCarthyist Purge – Mother Jones (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/queer-trans-federal-workers-fear-lgbtq-purge-lavender-scare/)
Marco Rubio May Have Just Banned Trans Foreigners Seeking Visas From US Entry (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/marco-rubio-may-have-just-banned)
Hunter Schafer's Passport Casualty in Culture Wars — Assigned (https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/hunter-schafers-passport-casualty-in-culture-wars)
Texas demands NCAA conduct 'sex screening' of athletes | PinkNews (https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/02/24/texas-sues-ncaa-to-demand-sex-screening-of-student-athletes/)
Amy Paris, trans official who pioneered change, fired by Trump administration (https://19thnews.org/2025/02/amy-paris-fired-trump-administration/)
Bureau of Prisons to move trans inmates as early as this week : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2025/02/21/nx-s1-5305282/trans-inmates-federal-prison-policy-transfers)
Trump's Kennedy Center Cancels Pride Concert That Would Have Featured Gay Men's Chorus of Washington - Washingtonian (https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/02/18/kennedy-center-pride-concert-gay-mens-chorus-canceled/)
Trans people are now interned in the US by Donald Trump's regime (https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2025/02/18/trans-people-us-passports/)
This is all in just over a week. I'll keep this thread updated with previous and future news.
Trump administration memo orders Pentagon to identify and fire transgender members of US military (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/transgender-us-military-personnel-pentagon-memo-stood-down-trump-administration)
Looks like Texas is going after adult trans healthcare. (https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/html/HB03399I.htm)
I don't like to say "I told you so", but I'm gonna say "I told you so" to everyone who fell for the JAQ- off rhetoric of the piece of shit liars who tried to tell us "it's about protecting the kids" or "it's about protecting women's spaces" or "it's about protecting the integrity of women's sports" or "you can do what you want with your body but I don't have to respect you as a woman". TERFs have never done anything other than carry water for fascism.
This was always the end goal. They want our safety and happiness obliterated. They want us out of public life and denied healthcare, left to suffer with dysphoria-broken souls and holes in our bones. There is no "moderate position" on trans rights. You're either with us, or you're complicit in our removal from society.
I'm with you, obviously, but you can't be surprised. It's fucking TEXAS! Don't you remember that pickup chasing after Biden's tour bus? I say again: it's TEXAS! ::)
OT: I love your new avvy. I hope the kitty cat got a good severance package. A few cotton balls and a tuna every Tuesday at least, with an optional wind-up mouse?
Quote from: Trollheart on Feb 27, 2025, 10:49 PMI'm with you, obviously, but you can't be surprised. It's fucking TEXAS! Don't you remember that pickup chasing after Biden's tour bus? I say again: it's TEXAS! ::)
OT: I love your new avvy. I hope the kitty cat got a good severance package. A few cotton balls and a tuna every Tuesday at least, with an optional wind-up mouse?
I'm not surprised at all, I've expected this for a long time. I'm expressing my frustration with the people I've been arguing with for nearly 3 years who refused to listen when I said this would happen eventually.
And thank you! Francesca is doing quite well, she'll be comfortably enjoying her retirement from her avatar position just in time for her 10th birthday in May. :)
Very smart to document all of this as much as possible, in as many places as possible, and name as many names as possible. Since the way back machine can be wiped now, things actually can be scrubbed from the internet. Not only for the sake of cutting through the bullshit now, but also to help prevent these ghouls from covering their asses and doing revisionism down the line when this horrendous shit is looked back on with disdain and embarrassment. Make it as hard for those fucks as possible to launder everything. Every bit counts.
As well-documented and easily accessible information is on the rise of fascism in the early 20th century, it's clear by the sheer number of people who are still clueless or in denial about what is going on right now (not to mention the people cheering it on) that there will be much more needed to curb this cycle from repeating again (probably far harsher accountability). Turns out stupidity and evil overlap far more than I thought.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Feb 27, 2025, 11:04 PMI'm not surprised at all, I've expected this for a long time. I'm expressing my frustration with the people I've been arguing with for nearly 3 years who refused to listen when I said this would happen eventually.
And thank you! Francesca is doing quite well, she'll be comfortably enjoying her retirement from her avatar position just in time for her 10th birthday in May. :)
What's wild is how quickly the hysteria directed at trans people was whipped up and weaponized. It was always an undercurrent, but they really went from 0 to 100000 in a split second just a couple years ago.
Another reason why I started my Trumped! How to Dismantle a Democracy journal, though the speed of his attempts to burn down America has caught me off-balance. I will get back to it though.
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Quote from: Auroras In Ice on Feb 27, 2025, 11:32 PMWhat's wild is how quickly the hysteria directed at trans people was whipped up and weaponized. It was always an undercurrent, but they really went from 0 to 100000 in a split second just a couple years ago.
Yep. None of these people even pretended to care about any of this before the initial 2016 bathroom nonsense, and even after that people seemed to move on pretty quick. I have been using women's bathrooms since 2009 and I can guarantee most of these people have shared a bathroom with a trans person prior to this hysteria and didn't notice or care.
We've existed this whole time and yet surely if this were such a pressing issue you could find a post from 99% of these MAGA chodes talking about all these evil child grooming trans people that was made before 2022. Right wing influencers all started pushing this shit at the same time, it was an orchestrated astroturf; the evidence speaks for itself and yet if I ever said it's all a deliberate, well organized and funded christofascist persecution campaign against us, then I sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist to everyday people. Like, they have to remember pre-2022, they
know this was never an actual issue. So frustrating and soul-crushing.
I see people being like "arrrgh I miss the days before all this newfangled woke gender nonsense in the schools blah blah", when like, I came out in high school and was generally treated well by the faculty and I wasn't even the only out trans person in my class. And that was all in the good old conservative Bush era.
The right preyed on the public's general (and understandable, we're less than 1% of the population!) unfamiliarity with trans people to enable themselves to spread any libelous reheated Anita Bryant shit they could think of that seemed logical to people who don't read or watch anything but Fox News.
And I'm backing up these articles on my local drives, to your other point. I'm very thankful for your support. <3
Iowa Lawmakers Pass Bill to Eliminate Transgender Civil Rights Protections (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/27/us/iowa-transgender-civil-rights-bill.html?smtyp=cur&smid=bsky-nytimes#)
A bill is being introduced to ban LGBTQIA+ content online nationwide under the guise of "protecting the kids" from "pornography". (https://bsky.app/profile/mikestabile.bsky.social/post/3ljdg4coztk2i)
This is already happening on a less widespread scale, with book bans in libraries of "pornographic" content that actually ban things like children's books where a kid has two moms. They never mean actual pornography when they say this shit; there isn't any pornography in school libraries. I have seen right wingers call books teaching kids about having safe sex "pornography" because of course the party of rapists' rights activists would hate books like that.
Just waiting for the phrase "Party-approved literature/art" and another Bonfire of the Vanities. ::)
Tomorrow there will be a vote on a law that will ban trans women from playing in women's sports. (https://legiscan.com/US/bill/SB9/2025)
The EO banning trans women from sports was not passed as law for now. (https://bsky.app/profile/threnody.bsky.social/post/3ljja7mbvm226)
Finally some good news. Hopefully this will be the start of some momentum that will encourage politicians to push back more and more against the right's anti-human rights campaign.
In reality, I imagine that's mostly down to sponsors, who don't want to be seen to be getting drawn in to publicly being anti-trans perhaps. And all the money they'd lose from pro-trans organisations, of course. Can't forget the money. Always with the money.
"The Crime Is Being Trans": Montana House Passes Indecent Exposure Bill Applying Only To Trans People (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/the-crime-is-being-trans-montana)
This is so fucking stupid. If a trans woman who has undergone bottom surgery and has a vagina undresses in a locker room where everyone else also has a vagina, she is violating the law. Enforcing this would be utter chaos, I don't even want to honor it by talking about the potential aside from what Rep Zephyr said in the video in the linked article.
None of this has any roots in any logic other than "we hate trans people specifically". God.
There's zero logic other than scapegoating and cruelty. All of that just to target a small group of people who cause no problems for anyone and just want to live their lives. Infuriating. Odd that the voices trying to wave this all off as hysteria have all stfu now.
Quote from: Auroras In Ice on Mar 05, 2025, 05:04 AMThere's zero logic other than scapegoating and cruelty. All of that just to target a small group of people who cause no problems for anyone and just want to live their lives. Infuriating. Odd that the voices trying to wave this all off as hysteria have all stfu now.
In my experience the people who tried to tell me I was hysterical and that the eradication of trans people "isn't happening" have all gone mask off and now openly proclaim their support for the eradication of trans people.
Quote"I also cut off taxpayer funding to any institution that engages in sexual mutilation of our youth"
"Now I want congress to permanently ban and criminalize sex changes on children"
this doesn't happen you blithering idiot. you are talking about criminalizing pronouns and clothing and going by different names. everyone who supports this man is a fucking brainless moron
the rapist and number one epstein fan dares to blabber about "the sexual mutilation of our youth". fucking sicko
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 05, 2025, 05:12 AMIn my experience the people who tried to tell me I was hysterical and that the eradication of trans people "isn't happening" have all gone mask off and now openly proclaim their support for the eradication of trans people.
All cowards need a crowd to hide in or bully to grovel behind before they show their true colours.
Going to start adding in things that are going on up here, too. With everything going on, this has largely flown under the radar but sets a horrible standard.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10841743/alberta-transgender-youth-legislation/
I don't care who calls it hyperbole, there couldn't be a closer correlation between how trans people are being seen/treated/scapegoated/targeted and how the Jews fared under Nazi Germany. Anyone who says I'm taking it too seriously needs to open their fucking eyes. Mind you, it will be too late then.
There hasn't been any significant shift here towards an anti-trans agenda, however attacks on gay men seem to be getting bolder and more out in the open, as detailed in my All Things Ireland thread, and there's that fucking lunatic teacher who's gaining national coverage because he refuses to use the proper pronoun to address a trans student, though in reality he's in jail (or was) due to refusal to comply with a high court order to stay away from the school. I'll trawl through my thread and see if I can find the links and post them here.
I'll also, if they happen, note instances that occur here, though as I say for now, we're relatively calm.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 05, 2025, 03:14 PMI don't care who calls it hyperbole, there couldn't be a closer correlation between how trans people are being seen/treated/scapegoated/targeted and how the Jews fared under Nazi Germany. Anyone who says I'm taking it too seriously needs to open their fucking eyes. Mind you, it will be too late then.
There hasn't been any significant shift here towards an anti-trans agenda, however attacks on gay men seem to be getting bolder and more out in the open, as detailed in my All Things Ireland thread, and there's that fucking lunatic teacher who's gaining national coverage because he refuses to use the proper pronoun to address a trans student, though in reality he's in jail (or was) due to refusal to comply with a high court order to stay away from the school. I'll trawl through my thread and see if I can find the links and post them here.
I'll also, if they happen, note instances that occur here, though as I say for now, we're relatively calm.
You don't even really have to correlate the treatment of trans people now to the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany, you can just correlate it to the treatment of trans people in Nazi Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_Nazi_Germany)
All of this has happened to us before. Nazis have always been heavily patriarchal and insistent upon framing strict gender roles and "traditional family values" as biologically intrinsic and necessary to their vision of society. Trans people are a very obvious example of a group that completely break that ideology, so they need us to be eliminated. I don't think they even need a Final Solution; all they need to do is remove our legal protections, criminalize our medication and send us to be forcibly detransitioned in our birth sex's prison (the second of which has been proposed and the first and third of which are already happening) and then keep pushing lies as media narratives and enforce online censorship (also already happening on government websites) to erase all recognition of us.
They are misogynists who are obsessed with gender essentialist views that men and women each have specific functions in society, that gender conformity is "common sense". If trans people are thriving in society, it sends the message that such a rigid worldview is actually totally bogus, that people can defy the "natural social order" of gender and live their best lives. So they need us to disappear. This will not erase us of course; being trans isn't something you can suppress out of existence, it comes from within, as is evidenced by the fact that 9 year old me felt like I would be happier as a girl six years before I found out people actually could transition. However, these policies will lead to generations of people forced to suffocate under lifetimes of dysphoria if something isn't done to change this.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 05, 2025, 03:43 PMYou don't even really have to correlate the treatment of trans people now to the treatment of the Jews in Nazi Germany, you can just correlate it to the treatment of trans people in Nazi Germany.
Great post. 100%, not to mention that anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-trans hysteria have been part of all fascist and authoritarian movements in recent history. Russia, Hungary, Brazil under Bolsonaro, Argentina under Milei (Argentina used to be very pro-trans) etc. Fostering fragile male masculine identities is a huge ingredient for authoritarianism, which is why the early stages of these movements very deliberately focus on taking in disenfranchised young men and tie authoritarian idealism to a restoration of manliness and "traditional" roles through which they will again be empowered and punish those who dared keep them down. Instead of addressing the personal and legitimate societal factors that are negatively impacting them, they are provided vulnerable scapegoats to punch down on. Trans people are the obvious target to pick because they can be cast as deviants and degenerates. These guys are the easiest to prime for violence at the service of demagogues and tyrants and most capable of carrying it out. The incel to fascist pipeline is pretty direct, and there weren't many young women that rampaged through the streets with the Brown Shirts.
Cruelty and disregard directed to disabled and LGBTQ+ people are
the canaries in the coal mine to pick up on authoritarian movements picking up steam. Obviously there's been a latent fascist undercurrent in the west for a long while, but I think it really started to kick into gear when COVID hit because people became extremely comfortable normalizing mass death and, quite frankly, we already collectively tossed disabled people to the curb. Once people can do that, normalizing awful things directed at
any group becomes easier and every arbitrarily defined group can and will become the new target. Fascism and authoritarianism are doomed to fail and self-defeating since life ends up with no real value. It's just a matter of how many will be harmed before it is stopped or implodes.
I was kind of planning on letting this thread be, but my debate riddled brain feels the need to at least question a statement like "I don't care who says it's hyperbole, I'm going to insist that the holocaust is a good analogy for what is going on." Ask yourself this: what specific part of the holocaust are you thinking of. Is it the death camps? The work camps? The ghettos? Or is it just vaguely the idea of any group being discriminated against and their rights being targeted?
Cause in my view, there's probably better analogies to draw than the holocaust. If you are going to jump right to the most extreme example, then you should ask yourself what it is you are actually suggesting you think is going to happen, and how similar to the holocaust you actually expect that to be.
It seems to me completely unconvincing to just vaguely assert that "this is how it starts." It could be. You have no idea. More often, people just get discriminated against without it leading to genocide.
I'm not saying that to try to downplay the nature of the threat. I feel like there are examples of how gays and trans people are discriminated against in many parts of the world into living an invisible existence, and that was true in the west until recently as well. You don't need to reach for the holocaust to make your point. Unless you actually believe there are death camps coming.
Speaking for myself I believe I have mostly have drawn parallels to Nazi Germany with regards to the systematic stripping of rights and protections that minorities such as us experienced, as well as the general rhetoric used by the Nazis to attack us, as per my last post, rather than a comparison to the holocaust.
I don't expect a holocaust in that I don't expect death camps and I have said as much that the Final Solution comparisons are unwarranted. But I also think that things could easily still escalate if there is no meaningful pushback. The proposed prospect of adult HRT bans is state sanctioned physical violence, it is denial of medications that trans people need to function and ripping it away causes direct physical harm, especially to those who are post-bottom surgery. You don't need to literally kill us in gas chambers to enact widespread violence and eventually lots of deaths.
I also stand by that Elon Musk, JD Vance, Steve Bannon etc are in fact Nazis, and I think comparisons to the OG Nazis are absolutely a legitimate discussion to be had when these people in high offices of government are doing Nazi salutes on tv and retweeting open white nationalists.
I don't disagree with you, for the record. I think there are sensible comparisons to Nazi policies and ideologies that can be made without invoking the holocaust and I try to keep my comments measured with regards to any speculation about potential escalation.
I realize your post is mostly directed at TH, and I agree with you with regards to his specific statement. I just wanted to illustrate my take on some of the Nazi Germany parallels that I feel are more sensible to draw.
I would point out that what I said was "a correlation between this and what happened to the Jews" - I wasn't specifically talking about the holocaust. What I meant was, the attempts to strip them of all rights, standing, remove them from society and then eliminate them, which eventually did lead to the death camps, yes, but I'm not saying Trusk are preparing such a solution. Yet. I'm saying they're working from the Nazi playbook. You can also call it a pogrom perhaps. The point I'm making is that it starts like this, and we don't know for sure where it will end up, but this is how it was back then: you identify a target group, you all but authorise/sanction violence against them, you blame them for everything you can, you remove their rights and their possessions, and you as such attempt to exile and then exterminate them. While we haven't reached the latter part yet, pretty much everything else is happening as it did. They're even making it all but impossible for those who wish to leave this fascist state and seek safety to do so, as the Nazis made it harder for Jews to leave who wanted to.
There is no earthly reason for people - normal "good" people - to fear or hate trans people, if they just thought about it logically, but an agenda is being pushed that will use fear and lies to "show" them that they should, must, have to hate these people, that it is, in the end, a battle between good and evil, and the trans people are evil. People will be told to choose, and as with most situations like this, those who are not sure will be swept up in the paranoia and carried along with it. The idea even of "false flag" operations, where people identified as trans say, shoot up a school or something, is not at all unlikely. This administration will bend, twist and break the truth, remoulding it into whatever shape suits it, and most of the population will follow along, believing blindly.
To quote Basil Fawlty: this is exactly how Nazi Germany started! How it ends, depends, I guess, on the strength of will to oppose the party in power, and when and how that will is used. How soon, in other words, before enough people say NO, not in our name?
My post, then, can't be argued with, even if you're trying to make it say things I did not this time say. Just look at the list Lexi's keeping and tell me that's not similar to a list of things Hitler, Goering and Himmler did as soon as the Nazis took power. It's all around us now and can no longer be ignored or played down. How far do YOU think it's going to go?
I apologize, TH. I saw the phrase JWB put in quotes without referring back to your original post and assumed the holocaust reference was something you actually said. I fell for that misattribution and that was my mistake. And I do agree that they are taking many pages from the Nazi playbook and that that is something to take gravely seriously.
Not a problem, Lexi. Misinterpretation of my posts or even someone putting words in my mouth matters little when you consider what you're facing. My heart just bleeds for you, what's left of it. It just annoys me when anyone downplays what's happening; I don't want to be scaremongering, but I also don't want to be closing my eyes and turning away. It's easy for me, thousands of miles away I know, but you should know, heart to heart, we're not that far away really. Not that it helps, but, you know...
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Gavin Newsom sucks up to fascists on trans issues. (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/ca-gov-gavin-newsom-completely-aligns)
So deeply disappointing.
A very good essay on the anti-trans mindset. (https://www.patreon.com/posts/trans-people-are-123716055?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link)
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 06, 2025, 03:54 AMMy post, then, can't be argued with, even if you're trying to make it say things I did not this time say. Just look at the list Lexi's keeping and tell me that's not similar to a list of things Hitler, Goering and Himmler did as soon as the Nazis took power. It's all around us now and can no longer be ignored or played down. How far do YOU think it's going to go?
This is exactly the right framing to start using. Fascism is a process and not just a destination where people suddenly end up in death camps, and the process of the current iteration of fascism is now almost a decade in the making. Those of us who caught it earlier just keep end up being right about the way things have been going despite years of it being dismissed. It doesn't always arrive exactly when or how we might think, but it does keep arriving. We may not be oracles, but you don't need to be in order to see the trajectory of things and where they have an increasing potential to lead especially given historical and contemporary examples to guide us. Here's the other thing, if we're wrong and all of this is for naught... I'll be relieved and happy about that. I don't want to be right about this lol. Being wrong the other way, though... not so great.
Does it lead to mass-exterminations? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, once you are on this path you don't sit around waiting for it to happen... you make noise so it doesn't. Although things aren't there yet, the fact that migrants have been rounded up with some sent off to Gitmo should be a red flag even if things have gone quiet on the news about that and there's a million other things going on. There's only one reason why a place like Gitmo even exists in the first place, which is to get around domestic human rights and legal standards for the treatment of detainees. It seems that the Trump admin is in fact wavering on continuing the use of Gitmo, but the fact that this was even done or was on the table is a very bad sign of where the admin's intent is pointing for the groups of people it demonizes and stirs up hate towards.
Oh well, obviously, I hope everyone understands I will be more than delighted to be proven wrong, and I don't want to say "I told you so" as, um, dark satanic mills go up all over the USA. Should that happen, I'd take about as much pleasure in being right as I would had I told my best friend he was too drunk to drive and then he was killed in a head-on. There are times when you pray to any god you believe in, or don't, that you will be wrong. This is one of those times.
Trump's worst nightmare
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Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 07, 2025, 02:16 AMTrump's worst nightmare
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Trump's worst nightmare is everyone thinking he's lame.
Powerful Speeches From Trans Dems Flip 29 Republicans, Anti-Trans Bills Die In Montana (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/powerful-speeches-from-trans-dems)
Some more heartening news. While Gavin Newsom capitulates to fascists and legitimizes their false propagandist narratives, trans people in politics are fighting like hell to push back against the smearing of our community and succeeding. So very inspiring.
Quote from: Janszoon on Mar 07, 2025, 02:37 AMTrump's worst nightmare is everyone finding out he's lame.
That's the real issue.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 07, 2025, 02:50 AMPowerful Speeches From Trans Dems Flip 29 Republicans, Anti-Trans Bills Die In Montana (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/powerful-speeches-from-trans-dems)
Some more heartening news. While Gavin Newsom capitulates to fascists and legitimizes their false propagandist narratives, trans people in politics are fighting like hell to push back against the smearing of our community and succeeding. So very inspiring.
On issues other than LGBT Gavin Newsom strikes me as a sleaze bag. A company I used to work for had dealings with a company he's partner in, and that company was cited for violating labor laws. Hope he doesn't get the 2028 nomination.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 06, 2025, 03:54 AMI would point out that what I said was "a correlation between this and what happened to the Jews" - I wasn't specifically talking about the holocaust. What I meant was, the attempts to strip them of all rights, standing, remove them from society and then eliminate them, which eventually did lead to the death camps, yes, but I'm not saying Trusk are preparing such a solution. Yet. I'm saying they're working from the Nazi playbook. You can also call it a pogrom perhaps. The point I'm making is that it starts like this, and we don't know for sure where it will end up, but this is how it was back then: you identify a target group, you all but authorise/sanction violence against them, you blame them for everything you can, you remove their rights and their possessions, and you as such attempt to exile and then exterminate them. While we haven't reached the latter part yet, pretty much everything else is happening as it did. They're even making it all but impossible for those who wish to leave this fascist state and seek safety to do so, as the Nazis made it harder for Jews to leave who wanted to.
There is no earthly reason for people - normal "good" people - to fear or hate trans people, if they just thought about it logically, but an agenda is being pushed that will use fear and lies to "show" them that they should, must, have to hate these people, that it is, in the end, a battle between good and evil, and the trans people are evil. People will be told to choose, and as with most situations like this, those who are not sure will be swept up in the paranoia and carried along with it. The idea even of "false flag" operations, where people identified as trans say, shoot up a school or something, is not at all unlikely. This administration will bend, twist and break the truth, remoulding it into whatever shape suits it, and most of the population will follow along, believing blindly.
To quote Basil Fawlty: this is exactly how Nazi Germany started! How it ends, depends, I guess, on the strength of will to oppose the party in power, and when and how that will is used. How soon, in other words, before enough people say NO, not in our name?
My post, then, can't be argued with, even if you're trying to make it say things I did not this time say. Just look at the list Lexi's keeping and tell me that's not similar to a list of things Hitler, Goering and Himmler did as soon as the Nazis took power. It's all around us now and can no longer be ignored or played down. How far do YOU think it's going to go?
So you're saying you weren't referring to the holocaust when you said the following:
"I don't care who calls it hyperbole, there couldn't be a closer correlation between how trans people are being seen/treated/scapegoated/targeted and how the Jews fared under Nazi Germany. Anyone who says I'm taking it too seriously needs to open their fucking eyes. Mind you, it will be too late then."
I'm going to try to be good faith about this since I clearly started this, but come on, lol. You can't sit here with a straight face and tell me that's not exactly what you were referring to. How many strangers on the street do you think you could find who would read that statement and not immediately assume it's referring to the holocaust? And it's not the first time you have made the comparison. So I wasn't trying to put any words in your mouth, though I also wasn't trying to quote you verbatim. I could have made that clearer, but really if you don't think the holocaust is a good comparison you can just say that. But it's not that clear to me that's what you actually think. Which is why I asked what you actually are referring to. You mentioned how the jews fared and we all know how that story ends. So how close to that fate do you plausibly see this getting, is the question.
Now you did attempt to answer that here. You said:
"What I meant was, the attempts to strip them of all rights, standing, remove them from society and then eliminate them, which eventually did lead to the death camps, yes, but I'm not saying Trusk are preparing such a solution. Yet."
So this sounds indeed like the preliminary stages of genocide. I don't particularly see this happening tbh. I don't expect to see trans people being rounded up, stripped of all rights, and eliminated (even through exile). I expect the Trump regime to basically try to roll back the clock on the culture war. I think the more plausible worst case scenario for this issue is they basically ban certain surgeries, hormone blockers etc, force them into the bathroom of their sex (not gender identity), sports team of their sex, prisons of their sex, etc. Basically try to repress the visibility of trans people and structurally reinforce what they see as a kind of cultural rebuke of the 'woke LGBT agenda.' I'm not saying that like it's not a big deal. But I do think you're misinterpreting the agenda by repeatedly invoking the final solution.
So it's possible that we just expect to see different things. I think your threshold for what you think puts us on the likely path to genocide is just too low. I think we have clear signs that they very much want to discriminate against trans people. I've yet to see any sign that they have genocidal intentions in this regard. I do think you could make a case for it being a kind of cultural genocide if they just tried to erase the identity through restricting access to surgeries and the like.
I don't think you can really even say that of all the groups facing persecution in the US under Trump, the trans or LGBT community is the most obvious parallel to the Jews under Nazi Germany. I feel like there's another group with more direct parallels that MAGA thinks is "poisoning the blood of the country" and that Trump campaigned on rounding up with the military. I think the parallels there are more similar, though tbh I also wouldn't invoke the final solution analogy there either. I don't read the intent as genocidal. Ethnic cleansing, you could make a case they do want.
Ultimately, though, I don't think that the MAGA movement have the same ideology that the actual Nazis did. I see them motivated more by the spectacle of casual sadism than by the kind of overt genocidal thinking that the nazis were imbibed in.
Texas has introduced a bill to ban adult trans healthcare including HRT. The initial EO threatened to defund and "investigate" clinics that provide gender healthcare at any age. Cutting off HRT can induce permanent menopausal symptoms, osteoporosis and severe psychological distress. Prisoners are already undergoing forced detransition and removal of their HRT. Maybe not all of this will succeed, but the intention is absolutely to bring us to direct harm, it is state sanctioned violence.
Banning transition, both medical and social by way of anti drag laws which are still on the books in Texas and other places, is their ultimate goal. The "woke culture" they're "rolling back" is literally nothing, it's a boogeyman for "trans people being able to transition and exist as themselves". The performative anti "woke" shit is a cover for their idiot base to cheer while trans people have their entire life trajectories stolen from them and their hope and happiness ripped away piece by piece. I don't exaggerate in the slightest when I say if I were forced to detransition permanently I would not consider my life worth living.
I've agreed with you that the holocaust is not a particularly apt comparison. But they absolutely have the goal to erase trans people from existence, the bills and motions they have made in just two months have given me no reason to believe otherwise. I think you're close on the "cultural genocide" idea but being trans isn't just culture, it's medical and biological as well, and banning it will cause the current generation widespread physical harm, especially those who have undergone bottom surgery where cutting off HRT has much worse physical effects, and will cause future generations to suffer in dysphoric misery for their entire lives.
@Jwb I have a headache and you're not helping.
No, I don't necessarily see A FS or Holocaust scenario, because I like to think even the most rabid anti-trans MAGA scum will baulk at actual murder. However, the first steps are being taken and while I take your point about the way they may go about it, I do have to wonder, what's worse for a trans person? Being imprisoned or even killed in a death camp or having their entire identity, personality (and you might say soul, if you believe in such things) erased, then forced to live a life they hate? A fate worse that death? That could very well be the outcome.
Anyway, my post was not directed at just you, but anyone and everyone who downplayed this and said don't be silly it won't happen. It is happening. Certainly, and thankfully, it's not happening as it did over 90 years ago, but it's still happening. As one who was sounding the "don't panic" signal from the beginning, you were one target of that post, yes, but I know there are people out there (not here I assume) who are still saying, storm in a teacup, will soon blow over. No, it won't. It will only get worse.
You know, if what you suggest comes to pass, isn't that a Final Solution all of its own? A different kind of holocaust? Perhaps we're more on the Orwell side of things here, erasing people from history. It's still evil.
Now can you please stop arguing with me? It doesn't help anyone and we're certainly not going ever to see eye-to-eye about this. Let's just say we see it differently and leave it at that, and assume any posts made here don't concern you. You already laughed at my thread, please don't do the same here. It's deadly serious for some people here and they deserve respect and sympathy, not derision and downplaying. This thread does not need derailment. If you have to do that, do it in mine.
Unless Lexi wants to debate you, I don't know. But I don't think your comments here are helpful.
Edited to add: You know JWB, I haven't seen a single instance of you being supportive of Lexi or anyone in her position. Just saying. Your casual attitude towards what's happening does not sit well with me, not that you care.
Elon Musk and Texas governor celebrate firing of worker over pronouns in email signature (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/musk-greg-abbott-fired-worker-pronouns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)
The free speech absolutist, ladies and gentlemen.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 07, 2025, 06:05 PMElon Musk and Texas governor celebrate firing of worker over pronouns in email signature (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/musk-greg-abbott-fired-worker-pronouns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)
The free speech absolutist, ladies and gentlemen.
As a person who works with a lot of people in other countries, and also as a person with a gender neutral first name, pronouns in a signature just makes sense.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 07, 2025, 03:51 PM@Jwb I have a headache and you're not helping.
No, I don't necessarily see A FS or Holocaust scenario, because I like to think even the most rabid anti-trans MAGA scum will baulk at actual murder. However, the first steps are being taken and while I take your point about the way they may go about it, I do have to wonder, what's worse for a trans person? Being imprisoned or even killed in a death camp or having their entire identity, personality (and you might say soul, if you believe in such things) erased, then forced to live a life they hate? A fate worse that death? That could very well be the outcome.
Anyway, my post was not directed at just you, but anyone and everyone who downplayed this and said don't be silly it won't happen. It is happening. Certainly, and thankfully, it's not happening as it did over 90 years ago, but it's still happening. As one who was sounding the "don't panic" signal from the beginning, you were one target of that post, yes, but I know there are people out there (not here I assume) who are still saying, storm in a teacup, will soon blow over. No, it won't. It will only get worse.
You know, if what you suggest comes to pass, isn't that a Final Solution all of its own? A different kind of holocaust? Perhaps we're more on the Orwell side of things here, erasing people from history. It's still evil.
Now can you please stop arguing with me? It doesn't help anyone and we're certainly not going ever to see eye-to-eye about this. Let's just say we see it differently and leave it at that, and assume any posts made here don't concern you. You already laughed at my thread, please don't do the same here. It's deadly serious for some people here and they deserve respect and sympathy, not derision and downplaying. This thread does not need derailment. If you have to do that, do it in mine.
Unless Lexi wants to debate you, I don't know. But I don't think your comments here are helpful.
Edited to add: You know JWB, I haven't seen a single instance of you being supportive of Lexi or anyone in her position. Just saying. Your casual attitude towards what's happening does not sit well with me, not that you care.
Um, no. I won't leave you alone. I haven't said anything that should derail this thread or be outside the scope of the discussion. You can explain to me exactly why it is that this thread is also "not the right place" for me to disagree with you. I'll wait.
The fact is, if you are going to make bold assertions I disagree with about a pending genocide, I'm going to be inclined to respond. This thread is just about the anti LGBT movement, it's not a so called support thread. So I don't even know how it is you find this to be off topic.
And you're still trying act as if you have somehow been proven "right" in your hysterical assertions. Yet you instantly backtrack when I simply ask you to flesh out what it is you mean.
You said "it is happening, " but what is "it?" I never told you any of this would not happen. I only ever said you were being over the top about it. Which you're still doing right now.
And please, think twice about using the argument "isn't it kinda almost just as bad to ban trans surgery as it is to round people up and slaughter them?" The answer is just no. They're no where near the same, and suggesting such is just trivializing actual genocide for the sake of trying to make your point more forcefully. And I just think that's misguided.
Nobody said banning surgery was as bad as rounding people up and slaughtering them. I mentioned surgery in the context of exacerbated effects of being forced off HRT and TH didn't mention surgery at all. You're misrepresenting our arguments, and I have posted plenty of good reasons to consider the "hysterical assertions" legitimate concerns, yet you haven't seemed to acknowledge what I've posted and instead argue against something neither TH or I even said.
I have tried to keep myself grounded as of late and the crux of my argument has never been "they're going to round us up and kill us". I'm pointing out the textbook fascist dehumanization, demonization and removal of our rights, protections and recognition, as well as their attacks on our necessary healthcare. Which alone is an abuse of human rights and I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned that the people who openly speak about wanting to remove birthright citizenship and send tens of thousands of people to Guantanamo, and in the cases of Musk, Vance and others, are supporters of Nazism, might also want to escalate their attacks on trans people.
I'm not misrepresenting anything. He said "if what you suggest comes to pass, isn't that a Final Solution of it's own? A different kind of holocaust?" You keep getting pedantic about me not phrasing it the exact way he did, yet the gist is the same. He's saying that if the things I listed might happen do come to pass, maybe it's not quite as bad, but that it's in a similar category as the holocaust. I think that's just wrong.
And I haven't responded to you mainly because my disagreement is with TH. When you respond, you haven't really said much that I disagree with that much. I don't disagree with "there are reasons to be concerned. " If that's all anyone ever said, I'd have never responded in the first place.
Quote from: Jwb on Mar 08, 2025, 03:26 PMI'm not misrepresenting anything. He said "if what you suggest comes to pass, isn't that a Final Solution of it's own? A different kind of holocaust?" You keep getting pedantic about me not phrasing it the exact way he did, yet the gist is the same. He's saying that if the things I listed might happen do come to pass, maybe it's not quite as bad, but that it's in a similar category as the holocaust. I think that's just wrong.
And I haven't responded to you mainly because my disagreement is with TH. When you respond, you haven't really said much that I disagree with that much. I don't disagree with "there are reasons to be concerned. " If that's all anyone ever said, I'd have never responded in the first place.
Understood. My issue was with your wording seemingly framing it as focusing specifically on banning surgery, when, regardless of what TH was responding to, that is only one part of a much larger threat, as I have detailed in my posts. I just want it to be clear that we're all on the same page here. I appreciate the clarification.
When you hear someone like Lexi say "if that [being forced back into male gender] happens, then I may not want to live" (paraphrasing, but she said something to that effect), and you extend that belief out across the trans demographic, even if not all of them feel that way, I stand by my assertion that doing that to people who are absolutely no danger to these fascists, or anyone else, except what they see in their mind and use to their political advantage, is the same as a holocaust. You'll note, since you like semantics, I don't say THE holocaust, which would certainly be disinegunous, even insulting to those who died in the camps and under Nazi occupation: I say A holocaust. Because for trans people, denying their right to exist and forcing them to be someone they do not want to be is just as bad as killing them. At least, in death there's peace, whereas with this forced reassignment or whatever they're going to call it, then it's a living hell. What's getting up every morning to see a face and body in the mirror you hate, or don't want? Dying a little every day? At least if they kill you, they can only do it once.
Oh, and before you once again twist my words and misrepresent my views, I'm not saying trans people should be killed, just making a correlation between death/murder and how they would see being forced back into their non-chosen gender. I doubt either of us can understand what a nightmare that would be.
And as for derailing the thread, look: nobody asked you to come in and start questioning what is going on, the level and the methods. Lexi started this thread to catalogue the rights being rolled back, not to invite debate as to how bad it's going to get, or not going to get. That's not the theme, nor the purpose of this thread, just as it was not the purpose of mine. But as usual, JWB, you just want to argue for argument's sake, and to, it seems, be contrary. If the thread was "do you think this is going to be as bad" or whatever, then fine: an opinion is asked for and you should feel you can contribute if you want. That's not what this thread is about, according to Lexi's OP. It's her thread, if she wants you to debate the issues with her that's her prerogative. I haven't seen her ask the question, and given the position she's in, I don't think she'll be too interested in debating someone who's trying to downplay what's happening, or studying it as if it's some clinical esoteric debate when it's very very real to her.
And still, you offer her no support or words of encouragement.
So once again, stop taking words and putting them in my mouth. One more time: as bad as A holocaust, A holocaust of sorts. Not THE holocaust. Big difference. And it is. Damned if it's not. In fact, in some ways it's even more cruel, as they get to gloat about what they've done as these innocent people attempt to live a life they don't want, or end it altogether. Almost essentially letting them kill themselves. Hyperbole quote for you to use in later posts with or about me: "Saves on the gas."
To add onto TH's point about the possibility of permanent or even long term forced detransition, from having researched it and having spoken to people who have experienced it, it's a lot worse than just being forced back into the wrong gender. Being without HRT after having had an orchiectomy and/or vaginoplasty causes all the effects of menopause; frequent hot flashes, dizziness and weakness, it drastically increases the risk and susceptibility to osteoporosis and bones becoming brittle. It can cause rapid aging of the skin as well as memory loss and brain fog, and the mind goes through severe emotional distress while the effects take hold.
When I first got on HRT, it was like I finally felt normal, the way I was supposed to feel as my default frame of mind. I've always said it fixed a broken gear in my brain that I didn't even know was broken. It made me more mindful and hyper aware, my mood got so much brighter. I would never have made any of the positive progress in the past five years of my life if not for it. It was a complete turnaround from the distant, depressed, life-on-autopilot person I was pre-HRT, and to return to a mind like that after having tasted what I have, with no guarantee that I would be able to ever get back on it in the event of a total ban like the proposed Texas one, well, I feel like I would be living as a husk of myself. And with all the health problems I described on top of that, I could try to wait it out and retransition if and when a situation would arise where it would be safe to do so, but being gravely honest, I don't know if I could fully trust myself with the will to keep going.
I think I'm going to elaborate on some of these feelings later in the support thread. I want to be open and candid about this but I know this thread isn't the place for it.
Quote from: QuantumSync on Mar 09, 2025, 05:24 PMuploaded today^
With all due respect, this is tabloid fluff, and that's being generous. It's disingenuous to present the postings of a random anonymous Facebook page as important LGBT news, and the massive amount of disgusting transphobia in the comments gives me the impression that this channel is a heavily biased source at best.
I would appreciate it if you would keep sensationalist nonsense like this out of my thread. If you must post this stuff, link to actual journalists and news publications and not a random commentary YouTuber.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 06, 2025, 06:06 PMGavin Newsom sucks up to fascists on trans issues. (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/ca-gov-gavin-newsom-completely-aligns)
So deeply disappointing.
I think they're looking at the numbers and seeing that the people that feel strongly about trans rights are not voting for Democrats anyway.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 09, 2025, 07:41 PMWith all due respect, this is tabloid fluff, and that's being generous. It's disingenuous to present the postings of a random anonymous Facebook page as important LGBT news, and the massive amount of disgusting transphobia in the comments gives me the impression that this channel is a heavily biased source at best.
I would appreciate it if you would keep sensationalist nonsense like this out of my thread. If you must post this stuff, link to actual journalists and news publications and not a random commentary YouTuber.
I didn't mean to offend :(
I just knew this thread was about "tracking" the anti-lgbtqia stuff and this is that
Quote from: QuantumSync on Mar 10, 2025, 12:50 AMI didn't mean to offend :(
I just knew this thread was about "tracking" the anti-lgbtqia stuff and this is that
(I have special tracking capabilities btw) :love:
You're fine. I would just prefer if we keep this thread to politics and news journalism rather than inconsequential online gossip.
Even at that, the video reads as disingenuously framed by a commentator who is uneducated at the absolute least, and comes off as extremely tone-deaf. The US government is actively persecuting us. What message does it send to sensationalize some random social media account calling for an "trans army" to revolt against the government? What would make anyone think this account is worth paying attention to? It's deeply unhelpful to put a spotlight onto random anonymous social media users and pass their posts off as a real concern or as representative of trans people's opposition to the persecution they are suffering.
I'm not meaning to make this personal toward you, Quantum, I just wanted to voice my thoughts on the content you posted and state my preference to keep this thread on the topic of politics and legislation affecting LGBTQIA+ people, rather than a more general "LGBTQIA+ topics" thread.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 09, 2025, 12:30 AMWhen you hear someone like Lexi say "if that [being forced back into male gender] happens, then I may not want to live" (paraphrasing, but she said something to that effect), and you extend that belief out across the trans demographic, even if not all of them feel that way, I stand by my assertion that doing that to people who are absolutely no danger to these fascists, or anyone else, except what they see in their mind and use to their political advantage, is the same as a holocaust. You'll note, since you like semantics, I don't say THE holocaust, which would certainly be disinegunous, even insulting to those who died in the camps and under Nazi occupation: I say A holocaust. Because for trans people, denying their right to exist and forcing them to be someone they do not want to be is just as bad as killing them. At least, in death there's peace, whereas with this forced reassignment or whatever they're going to call it, then it's a living hell. What's getting up every morning to see a face and body in the mirror you hate, or don't want? Dying a little every day? At least if they kill you, they can only do it once.
You realize that trans people having access to gender affirming care is relatively recent as a widespread thing? You're essentially saying that there's little moral difference between genocide and the way that most countries still operate, and the way that Western societies also operated up until recently. You can potentially just bite the bullet on that and say "yes, that's what I'm saying" but then the question still arises why you specifically choose to invoke final solution/holocaust comparisons. Why is that even such a potent symbol of human evil, if it's basically on par with how most societies have operated? You want to invoke it to point out that something exceptionally evil is going on here. But that point is undermined by the fact that by the standards you're setting, holocausts are pretty much just business as usual.
And trying to say "a holocaust" instead of "the holocaust" is just you back pedaling. You specifically invoked both the Final solution and the fate of the Jews in Nazi Germany. And the term holocaust is typically reserved for that genocide specifically, in any case. But I also don't think that removing access to gender affirming care is particularly on par with other genocides either. Assuming we aren't just talking about cultural genocide. Countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran literally put people to death for homosexual acts, and even that isn't typically slotted as up there with actual genocides that feature mass slaughter
QuoteOh, and before you once again twist my words and misrepresent my views, I'm not saying trans people should be killed, just making a correlation between death/murder and how they would see being forced back into their non-chosen gender. I doubt either of us can understand what a nightmare that would be.
we have even less idea what it would be like to be rounded up and killed, much as you assure me that there's "peace in death."
QuoteAnd as for derailing the thread, look: nobody asked you to come in and start questioning what is going on, the level and the methods. Lexi started this thread to catalogue the rights being rolled back, not to invite debate as to how bad it's going to get, or not going to get. That's not the theme, nor the purpose of this thread, just as it was not the purpose of mine. But as usual, JWB, you just want to argue for argument's sake, and to, it seems, be contrary. If the thread was "do you think this is going to be as bad" or whatever, then fine: an opinion is asked for and you should feel you can contribute if you want. That's not what this thread is about, according to Lexi's OP. It's her thread, if she wants you to debate the issues with her that's her prerogative. I haven't seen her ask the question, and given the position she's in, I don't think she'll be too interested in debating someone who's trying to downplay what's happening, or studying it as if it's some clinical esoteric debate when it's very very real to her.
And still, you offer her no support or words of encouragement.
You seem to be confused about how this works. She doesn't have to say she invites debate, lol. If I see something I disagree with, or something that I want to respond to, I respond. That isn't going to change, either. You felt it was an appropriate place to double down on your holocaust comparison, so I responded. You seem to be under the impression that until Lexi gives the go ahead for people to disagree, we are all supposed to either join in on the circle jerk or keep our mouths shut? No thanks.
And what words of encouragement do you want from me? It feels very performative for you to keep bringing that up, lol. I told her in the other thread I understood her concerns about the medical shit and you still decided to go at me for being insensitive. I feel like this entire thing is some kind of purity test where you think framing things in the most apocalyptic way possible is you demonstrating your compassion.
I agree that rolling back our rights and protections, erasing our identity and barring us from existing openly is not analogous to genocide. My point of contention would be that, as I elaborated on in another post, banning HRT and cutting trans people off from it is a form of direct physical violence that will result in masses of trans people suffering debilitating physical and mental health problems, and, as I implied at the end of that post, will pretty invariably lead to a large number of deaths, even if they're not at the hands of a gas chamber or firing squad.
It's not as simple as reverting to a time before gender affirming care was accessible, there will be immediate tangible devastating effects on the transitioned people living right now. The countries you're referencing where there is no access to transition healthcare are different because they're not trying to rip transitioned people off of crucial medicines that they need to be on in order to avoid debilitating health problems; they never allowed their citizens access to trans healthcare in the first place. HRT isn't crucial to avoiding those health problems if you were never on it or never had gender surgery in the first place.
I agree that holocaust comparisons aren't accurate at this particular point. But an adult HRT ban in a country where full medical transition has been happening for 75+ years would be a massively destabilizing event that really isn't 'business as usual' anywhere.
That's a fair point that it would be more damaging to prevent access to care for people who have already transitioned, so you can say in that way it would be worse, but it's still a much closer analogy than genocide.
It also speaks to the idea that people who aren't allowed to access said care experience dysphoria which can also lead to suicide etc. That is certainly true of the countries I listed, and as I said they do go a step beyond that by directly arresting and even occasionally executing people for homosexual acts.
So while it might not be the exact same thing to reverse course after allowing transitions for a time vs never allowing them in the first place, it's not at all clear to me that the statement would hold true that it's better to be LGBT in Saudi Arabia vs in the version of Trump's America that I laid out as my more plausible worst case scenario. My only point in even making that comparison is to point out that there are just much more analogous comparisons to make than jumping right to genocide, and that picking the most extreme historical example you can think of is either misguided or intentionally hyperbolic. But TH specified he doesn't buy that it actually is all that hyperbolic, which I took issue with.
And i can understand you taking issue the phrase "business as usual" but to be clear I'm not saying it's acceptable. I'm just saying that using the logic of "repressing trans identity is a fate comparable with death," the mainstream acceptance of trans identity in America is pretty new. The treatments have been around for a bit longer, but I don't think it was very common up until recently. And to the extent that it did exist, it largely wasn't accepted until very recently.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 10, 2025, 01:16 AMYou're fine. I would just prefer if we keep this thread to politics and news journalism rather than inconsequential online gossip.
Even at that, the video reads as disingenuously framed by a commentator who is uneducated at the absolute least, and comes off as extremely tone-deaf. The US government is actively persecuting us. What message does it send to sensationalize some random social media account calling for an "trans army" to revolt against the government? What would make anyone think this account is worth paying attention to? It's deeply unhelpful to put a spotlight onto random anonymous social media users and pass their posts off as a real concern or as representative of trans people's opposition to the persecution they are suffering.
I'm not meaning to make this personal toward you, Quantum, I just wanted to voice my thoughts on the content you posted and state my preference to keep this thread on the topic of politics and legislation affecting LGBTQIA+ people, rather than a more general "LGBTQIA+ topics" thread.
He is an officer in the Marine Corps, and really popular in the military content creators online. He is actually really popular in the whole military/government from what I know, on all social media.
he does seem to not agree with the lgbtqia ideas
Cops burst into women's restroom to remove butch lesbian, accusing her of being a man (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/cops-burst-into-womens-restroom-to-remove-butch-lesbian-accusing-her-of-being-a-man/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user/LGBTQNation)
Expect more and more of this shit as long as the right continues the anti trans crusade. The policing of gender hurts everyone, not just trans people.
New German, Swiss, And Austrian Guidelines Recommend Trans Youth Care, Slam Cass Review (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/new-german-swiss-and-austria-guidelines)
Some more positive news, and encouraging that the Cass review is being called out for the shoddy political agenda it is.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 10, 2025, 11:57 AMCops burst into women's restroom to remove butch lesbian, accusing her of being a man (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/cops-burst-into-womens-restroom-to-remove-butch-lesbian-accusing-her-of-being-a-man/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user/LGBTQNation)
Expect more and more of this shit as long as the right continues the anti trans crusade. The policing of gender hurts everyone, not just trans people.
ACAB
There isn't even a bathroom law in Arizona. Busting in on someone taking a dump...now that's a scandal.
New PM in Canada.
Carney's got a pretty good track record for endorsing LGBTQ+ rights and diversity initiatives, but he's already tacking to the right on some key economic policies to undercut his dollarstore Trump Conservative opponent's key talking points which is not a good sign. He's a banker and business rat, so his views follow money not principles. If he's smart, he'll leave it at those specific policies but as we've seen everywhere liberals reliably shit the bed by trying to become right-lite parties to scoop up a handful of "moderate voters" that don't actually exist and then end up losing elections then never learning the right lessons from that because they only listen to donors and consultants. He's got a pretty good shot at winning the upcoming fed elections only riding the unity that's emerged to counter threats from the US, but in the best case trans and LGBTQ+ issues will just be frozen in place unless there's significant pressure to rapidly build strong protections for them. My trans and gay friends here are relieved but not optimistic, and I share that sentiment. Our left-ish party (NDP) is suffering from a severe leadership problem and the party's completely ineffective leader refuses to take the hint and step down, so there's unlikely to be much pressure from the left. We may buy ourselves some time, but more neoliberalism will only end up opening the door for the fash to walk through.
Edited:
Texas bill attempting to make it a felony to identify as trans.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-bill-identifying-transgender-felony-201223947.html
I remember when transphobes used to concern troll about it being a "mental health" thing. Now, I guess it's a matter of criminality. Interesting arc. It's almost like it's just about hating and wanting to erase trans people from society.
@Auroras In Ice Yup, I remember that too. Just like when it was "identify however you want, just don't 'push it on The Kids'". Every single bit of the "reasonable concerns" the right asked us to "meet in the middle" on were all a lie. You give fascists an inch, they will take a mile. Every time. And anyone who actually thought republicans would stop if we conceded sports or bathrooms or puberty blockers is a damned sucker.
I wonder if the pink triangle has any significance. Nahhh, I'm sure it's nothing. Just a coincidence. One of a great many that can be simply explained away.
(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1ACZRW.img?w=768&h=659&m=6)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle
Pentagon 'cherry picked' studies to support transgender service member ban, judge says (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judges-blocking-mass-firings-transgender-servicemember-ban/story?id=119708856&utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user%2Fabc)
go offfff queen, drag their asses
I love that word "excoriate" - to strip the skin from.
Gotta laugh at this bit!
QuoteAttorney General Pam Bondi's chief of staff Chad Mizelle alleged that Reyes demonstrated a political bias, compromised the dignity of the proceedings and inappropriately questioned a DOJ attorney about his religious beliefs.
How do they keep a straight face? Either of them, I mean, as we all know they each have two.
House Republican adjourns hearing after exchange over misgendering Rep. Sarah McBride (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republican-adjourns-hearing-exchange-sarah-mcbride-misgendering-rcna195936)
Great to see more people speaking up like this.
Linking this story, which I posted in the "Trump Redux" thread, as it probably impacts upon a lot of the LGBTQ community.
Trump has to reinstate fired workers (https://scd.community/index.php?msg=42933)
Definitely one of the best articles I've seen breaking down the "concerns" of anti trans conservatives. (https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/2025/03/13/transgender-lgbtq-rights-women-sports-ncaa-debate-trump-tuberville-lies/82331359007/)
GOP lawmakers pass bill allowing child genital exams without parental consent (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/gop-lawmakers-pass-bill-allowing-child-genital-exams-without-parental-consent/)
The Party of Perverts and Pedophiles strikes again.
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11th Circuit Court Finds Florida School Was Not Obligated to Forcibly Out Trans Students (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/11th-circuit-court-finds-florida)
Some more good news.
Utterly disgusting. (https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3lkbdohknxs24)
Notice how they only meet with detransitioners, most of whom, including ones in this sham of an interview, never even started medical transition, and they never meet with any trans people. They literally have to shut ~99% of transitioners out of the discussion because they know that the actual fucking facts and evidence do not support their hateful narrative. This is entirely a kangaroo operation designed to trick people into crusading against trans healthcare, autism research and vaccines. Shame on this shithole government and everyone who supports this.
More of this nonsense. (https://www.chron.com/culture/article/detransition-transgender-republicans-20220234.php)
It's not a normal way to approach medical treatment to try to ban medications and procedures that the overwhelming majority of patients are very satisfied with and has improved and turned around their lives, just because a small percentage of them were not satisfied. Everyone who enters medical transition is told exactly what it will do and what risks there are. And an even smaller amount of these detransitioners even transitioned medically. Here's a couple of the detrans snakes and the company they keep.
Maia "Poet" Abbruzzese, daughter of the founder of an anti trans activist group. (https://www.transgendermap.com/issues/regret/maia-abbruzzese/)
Chloe Cole Brockman, associate of members of far right fascist group the Proud Boys. (https://bsky.app/profile/noesecarino.bsky.social/post/3lke7gxqzjc22)
This is an astroturf operation funded by and aligned 100% with fascists; these detransitioners are being paid handsomely to be flown around the country to plead their totally good faith sob stories that surely weren't written to the specifications of their Russian handlers. The anti trans movement is just the fascists in the government and the fascists outside of it all parroting and agreeing with the same lies, over and over again.
Not a news item, but this is easily the best comprehensive video I've seen breaking down exactly why TERFism and the transphobic libel of this current anti-trans movement are at their core, fascist. The video creator didn't mince words about it and I'm not going to either; "gender critical" as a movement is both ideologically (and in a staggering number of cases, literally) aligned with the far right, and the video cites examples of nearly every prominent "gender critical"/TERF letting the mask slip or saying the quiet part out loud.
Anyone who is still being tricked into thinking these people are waging an anti-trans crusade in the name of feminism is quite frankly, a fool.
Olympic boxing gender row a result of Russian fake news, says IOC chief (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/mar/15/olympic-boxing-transgender-russian-fake-news-thomas-bach)
As good as it is that this is being voiced as the official stance, the damage has been done and I'm 100% confident that this statement won't convince the right wing transvestigators. Like all conspiracy brainrot, once it takes hold, any piece of information that disproves the conspiracy is all a fake news plot by the woke deep state or whatever.
"Transvestigators"! Love it! Also for you to use if you want: transquisitors.
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 16, 2025, 06:12 PM"Transvestigators"! Love it! Also for you to use if you want: transquisitors.
Everybody expects the Trannish Inquisition.
Their main power is hate. Hate and fear.
Two: their two main powers are hate and fear. And jealousy.
Three: their three main powers are hate, fear and jealousy, and an almost fanatical devotion to Trump.
Four: their four main powers are hate, fear, jealousy and an almost fanatical devotion to Trump. And ignorance.
Sigh.
Among their main powers are...
Proposed HHS Rule Would Ban Trans Healthcare From Essential Health Benefit Coverage In ACA Plans (https://www.madycast.com/p/proposed-hhs-rule-would-ban-trans)
If this goes through, it will be absolutely devastating and lead to countless adult trans people, especially in red states, having their coverage for HRT removed. Most trans people are not well-off by any means and rely on insurance to afford HRT. I'm tired of saying "fuck this administration", all I can do now is just hope that it doesn't get implemented.
I'm not sure if I'd be directly affected by it; even though my state is purple, our governor is very pro trans and it seems like this would just eliminate protections rather than forcibly mandate that gender care not be covered. So I'd be at the mercy of the powers that be I guess. And on a related note, one potentially positive personal bit of news is that I found out that my husband's health plan covers domestic partnerships of any sex, so the fear I'd previously voiced about same sex marriage being repealed and being cut off from my healthcare seems like it will be fine. Small silver linings I guess.
"I Cannot Imagine Surviving": Read the Stories of the Trans Women Facing Forced Head Shaving and Medical Detransition in Florida Prisons (https://www.madycast.com/p/i-cannot-imagine-surviving-read-the)
Trans Prisoners Say Trump's Ban on Gender-Affirming Care Could Be Deadly (https://theappeal.org/aclu-trans-prisoners-lawsuit-trump-bop/)
I think everyone should read these articles. This is soul crushing, deeply upsetting and terrifying. This is what MAGA wants nationwide, what the "people" behind the Texas adult HRT ban bill have indisputably announced that they want to do to all of us.
I'm struck with a certain numbness in my soul just thinking about the amount of people out there who will cheer on this inhuman, barbaric, monstrous abuse of human life, and those who will still support the Trump administration unwaveringly. This is what the right and their useful idiot "feminists" of the TERF movement's campaign of demonizing us and reducing us to a "political issue" has done. They spent years and billions of dollars in media propaganda and political campaigns calling trans people predators and child groomers and mentally ill and positioning us invariably as "the enemy", and even the people who could speak up for us don't, because that would be bad for their optics.
I'm ashamed to live on the same planet as the hateful brutish filth that support this.
Trump administration pauses $175M in funding to UPenn over trans athlete policy (https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/trump-administration-pauses-funding-upenn-trans-athlete-rcna197055)
They're removing funding for a school because a trans athlete swam for the school three years ago. What is these sickos' deranged obsession with us? We're living in the creepiest most pathetic dictatorship ever.
Hungary just made all LGBTQ+ Pride events illegal and MAGA is desperate to do the same in the USA (https://wegotthiscovered.com/politics/hungary-just-made-all-lgbtq-pride-events-illegal-and-maga-is-desperate-to-do-the-same-in-the-usa/)
Aldi just became the first UK supermarket to provide free in-store period products and transphobes are mad (https://screenshot-media.com/politics/human-rights/aldi-free-period-products-transphobic-reaction/)
I wouldn't normally post such inconsequential fluff on here, but I thought this was funny in how pathetic it is; even when trans people are being legally erased from public life transphobes still just never stop whining and moaning and pretending they're victims. For being the "preferred pronouns are policing our speech!!" crowd, transphobes certainly like to try to police others' speech.
Also since "people who menstruate" is apparently an incorrect thing to say and they'd rather it say "women", good on them for letting us know they don't think women are people I guess.
These people are so deeply pathetic and sad. There are so many awful things happening worldwide at the moment and yet this is what they find the energy to get worked up over.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-proposes-bill-punish-supporting-122442691.html
Arkansas bill to direct lawsuits at people who use trans people's preferred names and give youth "gender non-conforming haircuts". Not even sure what to say about these demons anymore.
Here up north, the right found out that our new PM's kid is trans (or non-binary) and have been going bonkers about it. Attacking the family of politicians is looked down on most places, but it's extremely taboo in Canada. As someone who doesn't care much about decorum or civility, this is one of the few things that I think is a good solid line to draw. It happens, of course, but it's typically immediately clamped down on, often with the strongest rebukes coming from one's own side for stepping over this line. Not this time, though. Conservatives are just staying quiet and looking the other way.
Read this thread. This is a declaration that he is coming for us. (https://bsky.app/profile/zinniajones.com/post/3lkt6ovuqns2n)
I'd like to share one thing that happened recently. Aaron and I went out for brunch a few days ago and overheard this older guy there parroting all the anti trans maga rhetoric to the restaurant clerk, right down to the "they're transing the mice" and "12 year olds are getting bottom surgery" shit. Aaron spoke up and started calling out the lies and got into a debate. All the old man could say in defense of his arguments was "look it up" and accuse my husband of watching "too much CNN".
Those are the kind of people the MAGA cult leaders are telling bold faced lies to, and now they're being told by the richest man in the world that trans people are violent sex criminals who blow up cars as acts of terrorism.
Trans people are not safe in America.
And for reference here's a link to a thread explaining quite a few reasons why the statistic image he used is deliberately manipulated and disingenuously presented. (https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1glp5g3/lies_damned_lies_and_statistics/)
Marco Rubio removes LGBTQ+ people & women from annual human rights report (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/03/marco-rubio-removes-lgbtq-people-women-from-annual-human-rights-report/)
Watch Illinois Governor JB Pritzker Reject the Politics of Trans Abandonment (https://www.readtpa.com/p/watch-illinois-governor-jb-pritzker)
Still on hiatus for a bit longer, I just had to pop in to post this. Very inspiring.
Columbus Schools changes student profiles to birth names after dropping transgender policy (https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2025/03/24/columbus-ccs-schools-changes-student-profiles-to-birth-name-gender-transgender/82633927007/)
This is so fucked up and dehumanizing. Like, I changed my name, what the fuck relevance does the name I was given before I was even conscious have? This is utterly disgusting and tracks with other conservatives' allegations that being trans is adopting a fraudulent identity of some sort. But this is just so bizarre, it doesn't just fuck with trans people, people change their names for a multitude of reasons. If I for some godforsaken reason went back to school in an Ohio college, they'd be forcing me against my will to be "Alexander D." instead of "Alexandria F.". This is utterly absurd and exists solely to cause humiliation, confusion and distress. What the fuck. Why are these people so obsessed with us, this is deranged sadistic psychopathic behavior.
Cis woman 'fired after customer accused her of being trans' says it felt like a 'stab in the back' (https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/03/27/cis-woman-fired-after-customer-accused-her-of-being-trans-says-it-felt-like-a-stab-in-the-back/)
Another example of how the bathroom paranoia hurts everyone.
This is what Trump's hateful rhetoric is emboldening. (https://www.thestranger.com/news/2025/03/28/79988053/police-arrest-one-suspect-in-alleged-violent-anti-trans-hate-crime)
Utah Bans Flags In Schools & Government Buildings (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/105112952)
The law itself doesn't specifically target lgbtq+ flags, since it would technically include Trump flags too. Only a few state approved flags are allowed.
For mental health reasons I'm going to pause my activity in this thread for a bit. I just need to detox from all the bad news and especially politics for the time being. Of course I always appreciate everyone's contributions. <3
Quote from: Lucem Ferre on Mar 30, 2025, 12:21 PMUtah Bans Flags In Schools & Government Buildings (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/105112952)
The law itself doesn't specifically target lgbtq+ flags, since it would technically include Trump flags too. Only a few state approved flags are allowed.
Sounds familiar.
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I swear I did not seek out this link to a new study from The Archives of Sexual Behavior. It's way too TL;DR. at least for me. I'm only posting it because it may be of interest to some in the LGBTQ community who can devote the time to it.
What initially caught my attention was the dropping of the T in the title.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-03019-9 (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-03019-9)
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Am I allowed to say the article doesn't say that? 😯
It says people with those traits attach themselves to activist causes which includes LGBT activism. Plenty of people are 'activists' without being a member of that community. In fact the article explicitly states that:
QuoteNoteworthy, LGBQ activism is not limited to LGB, transgender, or nonbinary people but also involves so-called allies (Jones et al., 2014).
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It says people with those traits are attracted to activism. It then says it doesn't limit activists to mean LGBT people. It's pretty clear what it means imo. It doesn't even say that most activists have those traits. Just that people with them are more likely to latch onto activist causes.
It definitely doesn't single out LGBT people as having dark personality traits.
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Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 30, 2025, 09:23 PMI'm asking if it defines "activists".
It doesn't need to because it's not about activists. It's about dark personality traits being attached to activism.
QuoteThe scale consists of 17 items (e.g., "I actively participate in LGBQ organizational, political, social, community, and/or academic activities and events") and seven-point response scales from 1 (very untrue of me) to 7 (very true of me). The higher the total mean score the higher an individual is considered to be involved in LGBQ activism.
Ok.
At any rate I've already broken my own promise to myself to leave this thread alone for my mental health's sake so I'm going to leave it here.
You could just read the article tbf.
I believe it.
But saying narcissistic people are attracted to positions, movements or groups that present them as virtuous is like saying fire is hot.
Doesn't fit the theme of the thread, but I think it's important to be wary of exploitation, opportunism & liberal white girls.
Quote from: Lucem Ferre on Mar 30, 2025, 10:34 PMI believe it.
But saying narcissistic people are attracted to positions, movements or groups that present them as virtuous is like saying fire is hot.
Doesn't fit the theme of the thread, but I think it's important to be weary of exploitation, opportunism & liberal white girls.
*wary* (one of my pet peeves is people using that word incorrectly)
I've decided I'm going to continue to use this thread to post news articles about the current wave of persecution of LGBTQIA+ people. I think it's still a good thing to spread the word since fewer outlets report on this stuff. However, to preserve my mental peace I will not be making any personal commentary on the articles or joining in on any debates in this thread.
Trans Woman Arrested, Sent to Men's Jail For Entering Florida Capitol Bathroom (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/trans-woman-arrested-sent-to-mens)
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Apr 02, 2025, 12:15 AMI've decided I'm going to continue to use this thread to post news articles about the current wave of persecution of LGBTQIA+ people. I think it's still a good thing to spread the word since fewer outlets report on this stuff. However, to preserve my mental peace I will not be making any personal commentary on the articles or joining in on any debates in this thread. [/url]
Please do! I'm quite grateful for the stories posted here and have often come back to this thread refresh myself on them and also to scoop up links and pass them along to others. You've breached SCD containment! Speaking candidly only for myself, at this point what's going on and where things are headed is pretty clear to reasonable informed people. Many are still in denial, and that can be for many reasons good or bad, but those reasons are very likely beyond the reach of internet discussions. Leading horses to water, and all that.
Up north, things are mostly quiet on this front, but Carney didn't acknowledge Trans Visibility Day yesterday (only one party leader bothered to) which may seem trivial on its face but is a marked difference from Trudeau's outspoken support for the LGBTQ+ community. Carney has been rapidly moving right in many ways which is especially concerning since his approach to undermining his Conservative opponent is to simply adopt their policies as liberal voters clap like seals. Unlike US democrats, Canadian liberals love to win and stomp on their political rivals (which I like), but unfortunately share the same lack of having very few actual guiding principles or ideological convictions. Not a great development, and I think we will remain only a few steps behind the US down the same path.
Not a news item but a very good thread that goes into the techniques used by anti trans actors. (https://bsky.app/profile/mall.bsky.social/post/3llssnt3iqk2e)
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Montana Adult Trans Bathroom Ban Blocked In Court: "No Evidence" It Protects Women (https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/montana-adult-trans-bathroom-ban)