Quote from: Jwb on Jul 25, 2023, 08:26 PMAnd i would say the cultures being different in Europe basically adds to my point.  The idea of it being inexpensive to go visit a dufferent country with a different language is pretty alien to me. The cheapest (safe) option might be fake france up there in Canada.

There is fake France in the states go to New Orleans for some creole.

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Quote from: Jwb on Jul 25, 2023, 08:26 PMAnd i would say the cultures being different in Europe basically adds to my point.  The idea of it being inexpensive to go visit a dufferent country with a different language is pretty alien to me. The cheapest (safe) option might be fake france up there in Canada.



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Quote from: DJChameleon on Jul 26, 2023, 12:38 PMPlane ride? Don't you mean hour train ride and cultures switch up and are drastically different.

I live on the southern Norwegian coast, so crossing the ocean by plane will usually be vastly quicker than taking the ferry to Denmark and then getting on a train to somewhere from there.

Anything involving train's gonna take many hours. By plane, the direct flight from here to Alicante, Spain, is three and a half hours.


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Also, I like French people, but they're definitely weird.

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The brilliant Germaine Greer on teaching. As always, thought-provoking and powerfully stated. I love how relentlessly self-critical she is. The bit that begins around 8:20, about how she taught poetry to "difficult" middle school girls, is the kind of story most teachers would be self-congratulatory about, while she comes down on herself for having the students basking in her charisma rather than driving home the message that it's about them not her.   



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Quote from: Guybrush on Jul 29, 2023, 02:41 AMAlso, I like French people, but they're definitely weird.

I haven't noticed this but I've only met a few of them.

Scottish people:



Only God knows.


This is so bizarre and in extremely bad taste. Holy crap.

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Seen that before. The American looks ashamed of himself tbf. If you were the Japanese man could you stand there and shake his hand? I don't know.

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Quote from: jimmy jazz on Jul 30, 2023, 08:37 PMSeen that before. The American looks ashamed of himself tbf. If you were the Japanese man could you stand there and shake his hand? I don't know.

I'm currently reading about the experiences of this man (and others) after the bombing and it's pretty bad.

Like when he's in a boat and sees a group of people badly burned in the river. He tries to help them into his boat, but when he takes the hands of a woman and pulls, the skin on her arms comes off like long gloves. He can't tug on them because their skin is just coming off. So instead, he gets into the water and lifts them into his boat.

They're so weak, so he leaves them to rest beside the river and, exhausted, falls asleep a little later himself. When he wakes up, the water has risen and drowned the whole group because they were too weak to crawl away from the water.

So it's just this horror show; an incredible amount of grief and suffering mixed with shame and guilt.

A city wiped out. Eyes boiled out of living people's heads, their skin sloughing off, radiation sickness and burns - and all this happening to your countrymen, colleagues, friends, your own family.

Other people called the shots, but still. To shake that hand, I don't think I could. It might even feel like betraying the people of Hiroshima/ Japan.

The pilot keeps a lid on it, but you can tell he's a haunted man.

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Quote from: jimmy jazz on Jul 30, 2023, 08:37 PMSeen that before. The American looks ashamed of himself tbf. If you were the Japanese man could you stand there and shake his hand? I don't know.
well maybe they should have just surrendered lol

They wanted to act all hard like surrender is dishonorable until Truman lit them up with nukes. So much for the samurai spirit.


Quote from: Jwb on Jul 31, 2023, 01:30 AMwell maybe they should have just surrendered lol

They wanted to act all hard like surrender is dishonorable until Truman lit them up with nukes. So much for the samurai spirit.

The japs were beaten. The US controlled the skies over the islands and were bombing at will. Soviet was invading Manchuria. Japan's army wasn't able to keep control of its own territories anymore.

And if they needed a final push, how about something that didn't mainly target innocent civilians?

The US had spent a lot of money developing the bomb. I think your leaders back then wanted an excuse to use it.

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They needed to surrender.  I realize the war was lost for them which is all the more reason for them to give in.  But they weren't doing so.

And yes theoretically maybe they could have shocked them into a surrender with a slightly lesser attrocity. Who knows. But we had already fire bombed Tokyo to the ground and that didn't seem to do the trick. Plenty of innocent civilians died in that too. They didn't do precision strikes back then. It was total war.  They flew blind over cities in the dark and carpet bombed, leveling entire city blocks randomly.


Let me add that Japan has been on their best behavior ever since.