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Hello fellow creatures of the night (Yes, I'm posting this from my bed).
As you might know, I've been feeling a little down lately and so I thought I might as well just wallow in it and get it out of my system.
So this thread is for anything goth - I'll even take slightly goth related. I'm up for tragic romance, melancholy and wearing shades when it's already dark.
Bring it on!! 🖤🏴
Went completely under the radar, huh?
Well, let's see if a little Love and Rockets might help.
Some goth trivia you probably already know: The Mission was started by two ex-members of Sisters of Mercy, Wayne Hussey and Adam Craig, who didn't get along with Andrew Eldritch. Before they were called The Mission, they were called The Sisterhood which I believe was also a nickname for dedicated Sisters of Mercy fans. Eldritch quickly released something of his own under the moniker The Sisterhood before these guys had finished their debut, essentially blocking them from using their intended name. It was probably upsetting because they had already gotten some attention in the press under that name. So.. they had to change their name and so became The Mission.
Goth music wars 🎶 🖤
I never know what is or isn't considered actual goth music aside from the obvious genre staples (Cure/Bauhaus/Banshees), and I do like those bands but my areas of knowledge are more toward the realms of dark synthpop, early industrial rock, and some of the more arty new wave and new romantic artists. To me all that stuff fits along with goth into the same corner of my music brain. So do forgive me if none of this is "true" goth music lol.
Some of my favorite music that occupies that brain area:
Incubus Succubus II by Xmal Deutschland is a fantastic 80's goth tune:
I know less about goth than other punk genres but I've been listening to 45 Grave quite a lot lately
also here's some gloomy eastern-european punk/new wave
This was and continues to be a regular track played by DJs in local south west village parties. Let's hope our kids enjoy it as much as we did.
DianneW, have you heard this in your area?
Nice
@Saulaac ! That's a fun song 😊 never heard it before. And Xmal Deutschland, that does indeed sound like a classic 80s goth song.
The rest was nice too! Thanks for sharing, guys 🖤
Here's a bit of Siouxsie and the Banshees. I know it's an overplayed song by them, but I love it.
Werewolf by UK Decay. A long song with a long creepy intro. One for playing alone in a pitch-dark room.
That's very cool,
@Gandalf 🙂 I never heard that before.
I was wondering how long we can go without mentioning The Cure, but I'm breaking that spell.
What's your favourite song by Robert Smith & co?
Mine might be Close to Me. It was on one of the Now That's What I Call Music compilations from the very early 90s or so that I listened to.
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 19, 2024, 07:54 AMThat's very cool, @Gandalf 🙂 I never heard that before.
I was wondering how long we can go without mentioning The Cure, but I'm breaking that spell.
What's your favourite song by Robert Smith & co?
Mine might be Close to Me. It was on one of the Now That's What I Call Music compilations from the very early 90s or so that I listened to.
I mentioned them briefly, haha.
I have too many Cure songs I like, but a few random favorites would be Plainsong, Closedown, 100 Years, The Funeral Party, and High.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 19, 2024, 08:17 AMI mentioned them briefly, haha.
I have too many Cure songs I like, but a few random favorites would be Plainsong, Closedown, 100 Years, The Funeral Party, and High.
Nice 🙂 I only know a couple of those, I think, 100 days and Plainsong. I might check out the rest 😊
This isn't the most goth rocky song by love & rockets, but it is one I remember well from back in the day.
Goth was comparatively huge in the 90s. I remember picking up some music tips from the Vampire The Masquerade tabletop RPG 😄 For me, I think Love & Rockets may have come from there.
the band I was in 4 years ago grew up and made hella thoughtful goth bangers :3
Quote from: tristan_geoff on Mar 20, 2024, 03:56 AMthe band I was in 4 years ago grew up and made hella thoughtful goth bangers :3
^ Thanks for sharing a track from your very own band, tristan ! That track has a very complete, professional sound and I like how it slowly builds (from about 3 mins) up to the end. I thought the video was more distracting than helpful to the music, then to make matters worse, all the credits at the end are about the video, not the band :(
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I'm better able to identify Goth fashion than Goth rock, so I'm grateful to Lexi, and then Guybrush for mentioning The Cure. I've just finished reading the autobiog of a Cure bandmember, but haven't dipped into their music yet, apart from one track (
Faith) which I found disappointing.
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 19, 2024, 07:54 AMI was wondering how long we can go without mentioning The Cure, but I'm breaking that spell.
What's your favourite song by Robert Smith & co?
Mine might be Close to Me. It was on one of the Now That's What I Call Music compilations from the very early 90s or so that I listened to.
...so I listened to this song with interest, and was very surprised to hear what I would describe as a sprightly, inventive pop song. Perhaps the goth part is in the lyrics, which I couldn't really work out, but after reading about their punk attitude and angst, I expected something very different from Robert Smith's smooth vocal style, which I find, tbh, kind of disappointing.
My next plan is to check out this thread and see if there are any artists who actually put some proper rock energy into Goth Rock.
@tristan_geoff nice! I also like your old band's song 😊
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 20, 2024, 03:05 PM^ Thanks for sharing a track from your very own band, tristan ! That track has a very complete, professional sound and I like how it slowly builds (from about 3 mins) up to the end. I thought the video was more distracting than helpful to the music, then to make matters worse, all the credits at the end are about the video, not the band :(
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I'm better able to identify Goth fashion than Goth rock, so I'm grateful to Lexi, and then Guybrush for mentioning The Cure. I've just finished reading the autobiog of a Cure bandmember, but haven't dipped into their music yet, apart from one track (Faith) which I found disappointing.
...so I listened to this song with interest, and was very surprised to hear what I would describe as a sprightly, inventive pop song. Perhaps the goth part is in the lyrics, which I couldn't really work out, but after reading about their punk attitude and angst, I expected something very different from Robert Smith's smooth vocal style, which I find, tbh, kind of disappointing.
My next plan is to check out this thread and see if there are any artists who actually put some proper rock energy into Goth Rock.
For a gothier side of The Cure, here's Cold from the album Pornography 🙂
Ironically, I think they're very good at upbeat pop. Friday I'm in Love is another favourite!
For putting the ROCK in Goth Rock, how about a little more Sisters of Mercy?
Temple of Love might be their most well known song 🤔
@Lisnaholic The song Faith makes a lot more sense in the context of the album, it's the melancholy fade-out album closer and not really a song I'd enjoy as much if I just listened to it on its own. So perfectly fair.
And I'd describe the Cure as angsty, but I wouldn't really describe their music as having a punk attitude, at least not in the classic sense. They're a band who grip you with emotional atmosphere, especially in their mid-late 80s/early 90s period. Some of their early stuff has more of a punk beat to it, but they're generally more like just great pop songs with a strong sense of drama.
I'm not sure if I can think of too much goth I know of that has a lot of rock energy, haha. But as I said I'm no expert on the definition of goth. Sisters of Mercy is a good shout.
^ Thanks for the explanations, Lexi - and you make a very good point, that music should often be judged in its place as part of a longer listening experience, where its qualities shine out better. That's certainly true of many of my favourite musical moments.
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 20, 2024, 03:37 PMFor a gothier side of The Cure, here's Cold from the album Pornography 🙂
Ironically, I think they're very good at upbeat pop. Friday I'm in Love is another favourite!
^ I think this is the track I like best so far in the whole thread: it captures very well all my preconceptions of what Goth Rock should be: gloomy, thundering, a touch theatrical or overblown.
That, at any rate, is what you might expect from other Gothic creations, and one that captured my imagination was the glorious Gormanghast trilogy of books. They don't make for the easiest of reading experiences, but they create a world that could linger in your mind for years. They also, decades after they were written, inspired a short tv series, which was actually not well-received, because some things live best on the printed page and can look laughable when turned into film.
Anyway, not goth rock, I'm afraid, but here's a short song with some images of the legendary Gormenghast Castle invented by Mervyn Peake:-
Yknow lol Im abt to blow ur minds. The producer that did that Black Bouquet album and song also did songs like, idk... Your Love by The Outfield
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 20, 2024, 03:37 PMFor a gothier side of The Cure, here's Cold from the album Pornography 🙂
Funnily enough I was listening to Pornography as I opened up this thread. Pornography was my first taste of goth rock as an 18 year old, when I bought the 2005 reissue. I thought it was the darkest and most disturbing music I'd ever heard.
I won't go on about them, but the album Floodland by Sisters of Mercy is my goth rock album that I listened to way back when I first explored the genre 🙂
I've listened to Pornography and The Cure's greatest hit and a smattering of other songs, but I'm not well versed in their discography.. which is a little weird, come to think of it, because I like them a lot 🤔
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 21, 2024, 11:35 PMI won't go on about them, but the album Floodland by Sisters of Mercy is my goth rock album that I listened to way back when I first explored the genre 🙂
I've listened to Pornography and The Cure's greatest hit and a smattering of other songs, but I'm not well versed in their discography.. which is a little weird, come to think of it, because I like them a lot 🤔
I think their best front-to-back album is definitely Disintegration, that's one of my personal favorite albums of all time.
For their earlier more post punkish era, Seventeen Seconds and Faith are absolute classics. But I think pretty much everything they put out from 1979 to 1992 is solid.
I remember the first Goth Rock song that I fell in love with
Somehow the main guitar riff just perfectly encapsulated the way that I was feeling at the time, and had been feeling for years. I had no choice but to immediately tear up one of my black shirts and blind myself with smudgy gel eyeliner whilst doing my best Siouxsie howl
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 21, 2024, 11:35 PMI won't go on about them, but the album Floodland by Sisters of Mercy is my goth rock album that I listened to way back when I first explored the genre 🙂
I've listened to Pornography and The Cure's greatest hit and a smattering of other songs, but I'm not well versed in their discography.. which is a little weird, come to think of it, because I like them a lot 🤔
The atmosphere on Floodlands by The Sisters of Mercy is amazing. The over-the-top production really adds to it as well.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 22, 2024, 12:16 AMI think their best front-to-back album is definitely Disintegration, that's one of my personal favorite albums of all time.
For their earlier more post punkish era, Seventeen Seconds and Faith are absolute classics. But I think pretty much everything they put out from 1979 to 1992 is solid.
Disintegration is my favourite album of all time, and has been for quite some time. But the Seventeen Seconds/Faith/Pornography trilogy is The Cure's best era. The mood across the three albums gets darker and more depressive, but they also get more creative.