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No, it is most certainly not! I love animals. Read on.
There are a whole lot of things that really annoy, anger and upset me about the music business, and here is where I'm going to vent those frustrations. Every so often I'll write a piece about my "pet hate" at the time, and anyone who wants to comment, argue, agree, or slag me off is welcome to contribute. As usual, all views expressed here are my own personal ones, and I understand others may not agree or may have differing views. The format of this is going to be somewhat loose, and from time to time I may venture outside the confines of subjects dealing exclusively with music, but whatever I'm talkng about, I will be spitting venom at it like some aged, crabby old puff-adder!
I'm all right Jack - keep your hands off my stack!
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Why it is unbridled greed, rather than illegal downloading, that is spelling the end of the old regime for the music biz.
To quote from Blackadder: "Would you like to make some money? No, I would like other people to make money and give it to me!"
A subject that has always bugged me is the release, release and release of greatest hits albums. Now, I have nothing against them per se, in fact a collection can often be the best, easiest and least expensive way to get into a new artist, or find out if you are going to like their music. When I was younger and we had no YouTube, itunes (yes, yes, you've told us all this before! We know: you're incredibly old. Incredibly. We get it...) or any of that nonsense, you had to buy or get a loan of albums if you wanted to get into an artist, or check them out. I used to make a point of getting their greatest hits, or a live album --- which usually contained some or most of their best work - as my way in, and it's through that medium I got into artists like Bob Seger, Supertramp and Genesis, among others.
So I have nothing against greatest hits packages. What I do have a problem with is the constant release of further "greatest hits" collections. If they are all or mostly new songs, that have been released in the interim between the first collection and this new one, then fine. The Eagles' Greatest Hits 71-75 obviously does not take account of the material released after 1975, which of course includes the seminal Hotel California and its many hits, to say nothing of The Long Run. So yes, in that case, come 1978-1980 or whenever, a new greatest hits package is not only acceptable, but almost essential, as the catalogue of the band has grown by now and there are some songs very much worthy of inclusion in a greatest hits collection that were not available to be on the original.
But using the Eagles as my example of when it's okay to release a further greatest hits collection is a two-edged sword, for they - or rather, their label - are also the prime culprits for over-releasing, and unnecessary collections. Between 1976 and 2005 there have been no less than nine "Greatest Hits compilations released. Nine! The first two, okay I can let slide: Greatest hits and Greatest hits 2 are at least different albums, and service two separate eras, the first covering their output from 1971-1975, with the second concentrating mostly on Hotel California and The Long Run, and released six years later, a reasonable space of time wherein it would be agreed there was a need for an "updated" greatest hits.
But then it all goes to Hell.
1985, only three years after the second greatest hits, we get The Best of the Eagles. Well, okay, so it sort of compiles the two greatest hits albums into one collection. Fair enough. I guess. Three years after that, we have The Legend of the Eagles. Even that, well, okay: I don't know the album, maybe it's a retrospective of their career to date. We're treading a thin line but hell, let's let that one slide. Flash forward to 1994, and we have The Very Best of the Eagles. Ohhhh-kayyy.... so what we were told was The Best of the Eagles, well, wasn't, cos now we have the very best. But okay, I suppose that happens.
And then it happens. The millennium hits us and we get a boxed set called Selected Works. Basically, it's the last four greatest hits albums stuck together along with a few more tracks and a live concert. It's a four disc affair, so probably only the purists and collectors will buy it. But hot on its heels in 2001 comes, are you ready for this? The Very Best of the Eagles. Hang on, I hear you say: wasn't that the title of the album released in 1994? Yes it was, and to add insult to injury (and sorry for shouting here but I feel the point needs to be made, and made with all the venom and anger I can put into my writing) IT'S THE SAME EFFING ALBUM!!! The VERY same! EVERY track that's on this album is on the previous Very Best of the Eagles. They're just in a different order!! So anyone going out to buy this and not bothering to check the listing (would you do that? Probably not, but let's assume for the sake of argument someone did - maybe someone buying the album for their loved one, but not familiar with the Eagles' work) would buy the very same album they may have bought seven years previous!
Oh, that's bad enough, my friends, but there is more! 2003 rolls around and the guys over at the label obviously all need new cars, so what to do? Ah, roll out another Eagles greatest hits! What shall we call it, they wonder, and decide on ... now, see if you can guess. Think really hard. Yeah, that's right: The Very Best of the Eagles! Again. This time, it's not totally the same album, but most if not all of the songs that were on the previous two albums that go under that name are there, with a few others thrown in, probably just to confuse people and trick them into thinking they are buying new material.
Now of course you can always say well it's up to people whether they buy these compilations or not: no-one's forcing them to shell out their money. No, they're not, but when you see an ad for a new Eagles greatest hits album, you don't expect it to be the very same damn album as the one you bought years ago. No, I didn't buy any of these specious "Very Best of" albums, but in incenses me that the labels are let get away with it. How long does this go on? How many more greatest hits can a label release? Not only that, they had the audacity to make the album covers of both the "original" two Very Best of the Eagles identical, other than the colours used, as if they knew that they were ripping people off, didn't care and were essentially flipping the fans the finger! That boils my blood and yes, grinds my gears!
But even this ridiculous example aside, how many other bands have had greatest hits album after greatest hits album released? Dire Straits have three, ELO about five, not including some older compilations. Robbie Williams has five, Springsteen has four, Bryan Adams has five. Even my hero, Tom Waits, has a staggering seven! I'm not blaming the artistes here: I know the labels release these independent of the performer. But how many times can the fans be ripped off, again and again and again, before it's too much?
And what about those really annoying ones, where they sneak in one or two new tracks, so that even if you don't want the album you may have to buy it to get the new material - which will probably end up being available later, on other albums, but isn't at the moment. How underhand is that practice? But that's nothing compared to those "special editions" that come out, at usually hugely inflated prices, with extra tracks and rarities and interviews and god knows what-all, the worse when these editions are then supplemented by yet more releases. Take the example of Progress, the last album to date by Take That. When the album was released, there was also a "Deluxe Bonus Edition" fans could buy, which as far as I can see only differed from the "standard" edition in that it included a five-minute video. Then the next year they released Progressed, which was the album plus an EP, with admittedly eight new songs on it. But the question has to be asked, again, when is enough enough?
The ultimate in this idea of stretching things to breaking point comes, I believe, with the recent release of the Pink Floyd "Immersion sets". They have somehow managed to extend one, admittedly fantastic album, into SIX discs! How, I do not know, but I'm staggered by the audacity. Anyone who is a Floyd fan has The Dark Side of the Moon already, probably on vinyl and CD, maybe DVD and Blu-ray, but who is really going to need six discs of one album? And in these trying financial times too, it seems to make no sense. I know the "Immersion sets" were put together by a Floyd fanatic, and are, by all accounts, great value for money, but come on: something like a hunded and twenty pounds for a set? Who has that kind of money? But the real fans will feel they have to buy these sets, and therein again lies the major problem.
These "special editions", "ultimate collections", "collector's editions", call them what you will, feed on the collector's need to have everything associated with their favourite band, and their willingness to pay any price for something that seems "limited" or "exclusive". I don't subscribe to this mentality. If I like a band, I probably have all their albums, maybe some live ones, perhaps their greatest hits. I don't go too much for unreleased, rarities, special editions, special mixes, collector's editions and so on. It doesn't impress me that a boxed set has a forty-page colour booklet, photos of the band and some sort of badge, for instance, or a poster. I don't feel that justifies jacking up the price to ridiculous heights. Some may, of course, and my opinion is only my opinion, but I think in general the slowdown in record sales shows that people are getting fed up with being ripped off, again and again and again, to quote Status Quo.
And this is part of the reason, I believe, why people now download much more than buy albums. Yes, of course you'll always have people who want something for nothing, but most of us are just annoyed at having to pay unrealistic prices for our music. When I were a lad, albums - vinyl albums - sold for about £5.99 to £7.99, with a double or live album maybe coming out at £9.99. When CDs came out, we of course knew these would be more expensive, and they went from about the top end of the vinyl spectrum (with vinyl, at the time, still around and quite popular and CDs only finding their way onto the market slowly - few people even had a CD player!) at about £9.99 to about £12.99. Suddenly, vinyl began to fall away in sales and availability, and CD prices jumped to anything up to £19.99, where for a long time they remained. That's almost a two hundred percent increase over the course of probably thirty years!
And when the internet stuck its unwanted mush in and people began to realise they could download the same music for little or nothing, did the record companies respond by lowering their prices, competing with the online presence as you would expect a business to? No, they did not. They bitched and ranted and sulked, and tried to have all avenues to online music either tightly controlled - by them - or shut down altogether. But though they succeeded in some places (Napster, Audio Galaxy, Allofmp3.com, we salute you!) there was no way they could close every site or service down. The genie was out of the bottle and granting wishes left right and centre, and no-one was ever going to recapture him. People were sharing music, realising they could bypass the music industry entirely, and as a result the profits began to fall.
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But that's all a direct and eventual result of the decades of greed and almost contempt for their consumers that the record companies as a whole evidenced, and it finally came home to roost. They still make noises, bring lawsuits and try to have laws passed to effectively ban music on the internet that isn't under their control, ie doesn't make money for them, but are they ever going to succeed? It's widely accepted now that a lot of music is available for free, or at least much reduced prices than we used to be forced to pay. Many bands have taken the idea and run with it, effectively setting themselves up as their own record marketing division, dealing with the fans directly and giving them a very good deal. Some even allow you to download their new album for free, if that's what you want. For them, it's not so much about making money off the album as getting the exposure, which should lead to more fans at the gigs, more merchandising and a better profit ratio in the end.
The record companies have only themselves to blame, and I feel nothing but a sense of satisfaction and justification when I see them moan about only making x million this year, or whatever, and how music downloading is killing their business. They try to tell us it's killing music, but of course it's not. They used that ploy in the seventies and eighties when they told us that "home taping is killing music" - what a load of old tot! Particularly with the quality at the time of cassette tapes, few people would want a taped copy of an album as opposed to the genuine article. But they feared losing money, and since the advent of free music on the web they've been panicking, haemorraging money and profits, and panic has now turned to outright desperation, with the SOPA and PIPA acts proposed, and for now, defeated or at least staved off. But they won't go away; they'll be back, probably in some altered form, and eventually they'll more than likely find their way into law.
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It could have been so much different. If the record companies had engaged with people instead of taking them to court (and most times losing, thereby setting their overall case back), had gone with the flow instead of swimming against the tide, and had moved with the times instead of being implacably opposed, impervious to change, like the pensioner who still watches black-and-white TV or won't use a mobile phone, it could have gone so much better for everyone. Now, thanks to their refusal to bend, the record companies will either gain a massive, inflexible monopoly over music, or fade away into irrelevance.
I know which outcome I'm hoping for!
As this didn't get any replies, I thought I'd bump it.
Starting sentences with 'I mean' or 'I feel like' is really starting to annoy me. Just a total waste of words.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 20, 2023, 05:23 PMAs this didn't get any replies, I thought I'd bump it.
Starting sentences with 'I mean' or 'I feel like' is really starting to annoy me. Just a total waste of words.
I don't notice many people starting sentences with "I feel like" much but I sure do notice when people start sentences with "I mean." It seems to be something of an epidemic, especially in various media like TV and radio. Interviewers do it, people being interviewed do it, commentators do it. I'm not sure when it started but it's unnecessary and sounds daft. The only time I could see it being appropriate would be if someone asks another person the question "what do you mean?" and their reply starts with "I mean."
People who listen to shit out loud on their phone in public spaces.
I have very few pet hates, but one I do have is random people in the street or other public places telling you to "smile". Why do they care whether you're smiling or not? I have never wondered whether or why a stranger is smiling or not; and even if I did, I wouldn't *demand* that they smile.
And it's not even to engage you in conversation, necessarily. Sometimes you are asked to "smile" while crossing a street, in the opposite direction from the person asking you to smile - when there is no opportunity to talk at all. Not the biggest deal in the world, but more than anything else I find it a little embarrassing.
Never come across that thing of "smile", although it is a bit cheeky. Nearest we have would be "cheer up, it may never happen!" And that would be for someone who is looking really miserable. Mind you, if someone did ask me to smile, I might respond with "Why? What's there to smile about?" and then do my best to ruin their - presumably - sunny mood by reeling off a catalogue of how shit my life is. Might stop them saying it so quickly and flippantly again.
Top hate has to be "So". Why does everyone begin their sentences with "so" when it doesn't at all require it? Question: "How do you make these cakes?" Answer: "So we have these shapes and... "ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
Also annoying is particularly footballers/managers who will say "as I say", when the thing they're saying they have said, they have not. Example:
Interviewer: "How do you think your defence was?"
Manager: "It could do with some work. As I say, the strikers were too far ahead and..."
Huh? When did you say that? Also "at the end of the day". Shut the fuck up!
TH, at the end of the day :D, your posts always make me laugh out loud (the funny ones, I mean). :laughing:
I have a habit of saying, "May I ask you a question?" before asking a question, which I think sometimes gets on people's nerves. One of my bosses, when I ask her "May I ask a question?" replies with "You just did." :D
Quote from: Trollheart on Feb 20, 2023, 07:50 PMTop hate has to be "So". Why does everyone begin their sentences with "so" when it doesn't at all require it? Question: "How do you make these cakes?" Answer: "So we have these shapes and... "ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
This is a good one. Even worse if they start with 'OK so...' and aren't replying to anything. Sounds like American Valley Girl speak. Every other word will probably be 'like'.
Makes me want to smash my head into a wall.
When somebody introduces me as funny and the other person says "say something funny."
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 20, 2023, 08:41 PMQuote from: Trollheart on Feb 20, 2023, 07:50 PMTop hate has to be "So". Why does everyone begin their sentences with "so" when it doesn't at all require it? Question: "How do you make these cakes?" Answer: "So we have these shapes and... "ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
This is a good one. Even worse if they start with 'OK so...' and aren't replying to anything. Sounds like American Valley Girl speak. Every other word will probably be 'like'.
Makes me want to smash my head into a wall.
The overuse of "like" really does annoy me. I suppose it's a means of pausing to collect one's thoughts, but still. I'm relieved my daughter and son never incorporated the dreaded "like" into their speech (its usage is popular around here). I always tell them they sound, and have always sounded, more like midwesterners than New Yawk-ers.
I do have a habit of saying "um" at the beginning of and within sentences, though. Which is really the same thing - a pause, a means of halting (in my case perhaps due to being a bit shy).
I think we all use qualifiers when we speak. Sometimes it's to give you those extra few seconds to think of what it is exactly you want to say, to mentally test it in your head before committing it to your lips, or just to formulate your thoughts. I use "basically", "in fairness" and "essentially" a lot. I love watching Judge Judy when she slaps them down - "Not like. I don't want like. And not basically. Give me what actually happened." One of the best she did was with this young-ish woman who kept saying "like" and she stopped her and said, perfectly deadpan as she always is, "Now, say that entire sentence again but I don't want to hear the word like." Girl couldn't do it. Damn I love that woman! :laughing:
I love Judge Judy too! Never get tired of watching her. :laughing:
This would be Judy if I were testifying... :D
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I particularly love when she turns to Bird and says "These are the future of America?" and rolls her eyes.
Does anyone else have to contend with this? I mean, what the fuck? Are they trying to make an artistic statement with processed meat? What is the point? You can't possibly get one slice out for a sandwich without taking all of them out, then you have to unfold till you - hopefully - get one, then shove the rest back into the pack, by which time of course your hands have been all over them and the pack probably won't close properly to seal so the edges end up going hard. Like, why not just lay them all down flat, one on top of the other? What the actual blue jumping fuck???!!!
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I have another question. What exactly is "Hand-crumbed?"
Crumbed by hand, obviously.
It's because it's wafer thin ham. Nobody puts one slice on anything. I recommend getting ham that is sliced thicker and then you can take one slice at a time.
With food packaging, I find it hard to separate strips of bacon or slices of smoked salmon.
It irritates me that keyboard / mouse only works with some XBOX games and the dumb Microsoft store doesn't do a good job informing which ones. There are usually PC versions of these games, so just leave pc k/m support in for the Xbox version?
Quote from: Trollheart on Feb 26, 2023, 05:36 PMDoes anyone else have to contend with this? I mean, what the fuck? Are they trying to make an artistic statement with processed meat? What is the point? You can't possibly get one slice out for a sandwich without taking all of them out, then you have to unfold till you - hopefully - get one, then shove the rest back into the pack, by which time of course your hands have been all over them and the pack probably won't close properly to seal so the edges end up going hard. Like, why not just lay them all down flat, one on top of the other? What the actual blue jumping fuck???!!!
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We get the same annoying packaging over here. You have to go to the deli counter at the market and ask for the amount you want and get it sliced off a large piece if you don't want to deal with those fiddly pre-packaged sliced meats.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Feb 26, 2023, 06:27 PMIt's because it's wafer thin ham. Nobody puts one slice on anything. I recommend getting ham that is sliced thicker and then you can take one slice at a time.
I do. So what's the idea? Grab up the whole thing and slice some off it? No matter what you do it's still going to end up requiring all or most of it to be removed from the package. Take this afternoon: I wanted croissants with ham and cheese. They're small duh so two slices off the block and then a small amount of ham on top, and I end up being unable to get one slice out to use, so have to take the whole damn thing out. Fuck wafer thin ham. And, incidentally, crumbed. You have to pay more for the properly sliced one though, which is why I keep getting the god-damn wafer thin.
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Have you tried using a sharp knife?
Well I don't think it's come to murder or suicide just yet - oh. I see what you mean!
Unfortunately none of my knives can even add two plus two. They're Irish, so, you know, not the sharpest tools in the drawer. In fact that's this one - OWWW!
Door slammers, wankers.
People who go to work sick so they can spread their diseases to their coworkers.
Stay at home!
^ Yep, especially when they are looking for praise for their devotion to the job.
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Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 08, 2023, 11:49 PMDoor slammers, wankers.
^ :laughing: Nice and short. Reminds me of a conversation I had with a mate of mine about what people say in offices. First we were grumbling about phrases like "get on board," "be pro-active", "a fast-track project", but pretty soon it degenerated to "People who say Hello. Bastards!"
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I watch a fair number of amateur travel clips on Youtube: those guys who use a cellphone to record their visit to Siberia or where-ever. Something that totally bugs me is when their cameras are recording, not the sights, but their ugly mugs babbling away in front of the sight you were hoping to see.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on May 08, 2023, 11:49 PMDoor slammers, wankers.
Yeah not as bad as door wankers though. Be VERY careful when you turn the knob! :laughing: :laughing:
Quote from: Lisnaholic on May 10, 2023, 04:44 PMI watch a fair number of amateur travel clips on Youtube: those guys who use a cellphone to record their visit to Siberia or where-ever. Something that totally bugs me is when their cameras are recording, not the sights, but their ugly mugs babbling away in front of the sight you were hoping to see.
I totally relate! During the height of the pandemic, when I was really missing traveling, I started following some guy on social media who posted videos of picturesque seaside Italian towns, but I eventually got so tired of so much of it being videos of him talking with the picturesque town in the background.
Maybe he thought he was picturesque?
Or should that be grotesque? :laughing:
Quote from: Trollheart on May 10, 2023, 06:44 PMMaybe he thought he was picturesque?
Or should that be grotesque? :laughing:
He was a pretty good looking dude but not compared to the Amalfi Coast.
Yeah, the Amalfi Coast always gets the best looking girls.
Quote from: Trollheart on May 10, 2023, 07:06 PMYeah, the Amalfi Coast always gets the best looking girls.
The Amalfi Coast kicks sand in the face of nerds.
Just coasted through high school, for shore.
I thought of one the other day.
People with food on their face.
I went to the movies yesterday and there were two people there who talked through the entire movie. That's definitely a pet hate of mine.
Quote from: Janszoon on May 16, 2023, 01:58 PMI went to the movies yesterday and there were two people there who talked through the entire movie. That's definitely a pet hate of mine.
i used to be comfortable telling people to stfu but now i don't wanna get shot so fuck it
when i was young i got aggressive as fuck about it at concerts
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 16, 2023, 03:04 PMi used to be comfortable telling people to stfu but now i don't wanna get shot so fuck it
when i was young i got aggressive as fuck about it at concerts
I used be more likely to say something too, but as I've gotten older I've decided that it's usually not worth it.
Quote from: Janszoon on May 16, 2023, 03:20 PMI used be more likely to say something too, but as I've gotten older I've decided that it's usually not worth it.
it's not ... people are too damn crazy now
maybe they were just as crazy back then but it doesn't seem like it
everyone is already pissed off and ready to explode and plus i'm more sensitive to difficult interactions than i used to be - getting old makes you all scared and shit
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 16, 2023, 03:39 PMit's not ... people are too damn crazy now
maybe they were just as crazy back then but it doesn't seem like it
everyone is already pissed off and ready to explode and plus i'm more sensitive to difficult interactions than i used to be - getting old makes you all scared and shit
I don't know if people are more crazy, but I'm definitely more aware than I used to be of how crazy people are. Also, over the years I've had several people who know me tell me that I look intimidating to people who don't know me, so I feel like I'm constantly trying to lean away from doing anything anyone could interpret as being aggressive.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 16, 2023, 03:39 PMit's not ... people are too damn crazy now
maybe they were just as crazy back then but it doesn't seem like it
everyone is already pissed off and ready to explode and plus i'm more sensitive to difficult interactions than i used to be - getting old makes you all scared and shit
I don't know if people are any crazier in the USA than they used to be but more of the ones who are armed sure are more trigger-happy than they used to be.
Quote from: Psy-Fi on May 16, 2023, 11:11 PMI don't know if people are any crazier in the USA than they used to be but more of the ones who are armed sure are more trigger-happy than they used to be.
even though 21 and 22 were banner years - record breaking in terms of just tye total number of gun homicides it's still down per capita from the 92 and 93
we've added 100 million people since then which is really fucking disgusting
Quote from: Janszoon on May 10, 2023, 06:38 PMI totally relate! During the height of the pandemic, when I was really missing traveling, I started following some guy on social media who posted videos of picturesque seaside Italian towns, but I eventually got so tired of so much of it being videos of him talking with the picturesque town in the background.
I ended up watching a Twitch streamer that travels to get my fix during the pandemic
Quote from: DJChameleon on May 22, 2023, 11:53 PMI ended up watching a Twitch streamer that travels to get my fix during the pandemic
That's interesting. I thought Twitch was for video game playthroughs, I didn't realize people did other things with it.
Quote from: Janszoon on May 23, 2023, 12:01 AMThat's interesting. I thought Twitch was for video game playthroughs, I didn't realize people did other things with it.
Yeah, there's music production streams, cooking streams, lots of stuff. It did start out as a gaming site but it branched out later. I was under the same impression until pretty recently.
Quote from: Janszoon on May 23, 2023, 12:01 AMThat's interesting. I thought Twitch was for video game playthroughs, I didn't realize people did other things with it.
Yeah they are called irl streamers and they stream outside in different countries traveling about. They broadened the scope of Twitch and its not just game play throughs like it used to be.
Like tonight I'm going to watch BigBossBoze and she specializes in court cases and true crime content.
Quote from: DJChameleon on May 23, 2023, 02:02 AMYeah they are called irl streamers and they stream outside in different countries traveling about. They broadened the scope of Twitch and its not just game play throughs like it used to be.
Like tonight I'm going to watch BigBossBoze and she specializes in court cases and true crime content.
It's like a whole different world to me. I don't think I've ever seen a Twitch video in my life.
sometimes they stream live avant garde jazz concerts on there