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Quote from: grindy on Oct 05, 2023, 07:07 PMI don't have the impression that controversial topics are an issue around here, just being a dick about them.

It's not just about the topics for me, it's moreso the freedom to discuss them, or anything, free of niceties and such. I dream of a subforum wherein I have the ability to roast someone for their bad take, or make fun of the fact they pull the same face in every MySpace-angle selfie they post, or call jwb a fag when he calls me a fake dyke, etc. without concern for being read as a bully or ensuring the thread is kept on topic and without the need to produce or contribute anything more than a zesty one liner if that's all I've got in me. Anything goes as long as it's funny. That's the tone MB had that SCD lacks. And I'm not arguing that SCD change, but the impression I had of SCD offering a space for that kind of banter was a big selling point.

I do agree with you, Steph, but like I say, it was suggested, tried and seemed not to be popular. I would venture to offer that if other people agreed with the need for it now it could possibly be trialled again. The idea of the - for want of another name, and I think this was what we called it - First Amendment sub-forum was exactly that: a place where you could kind of take off the training wheels, kid gloves or gaffa tape across your mouth, whatever was restricting you from really letting fly, and, well, really let fly, without being penalised.

The point was, that anyone going into that sub-forum implicitly understood that any posts made there or behaviour acted out there was limited to that sub-forum, and while it would be tolerated - perhaps even tacitly encouraged? - there, outside of the FA it would not be allowed. What happened in the FA remained in the FA, so to speak. So I suppose you could, if you want, call it a release valve of sorts. It may or may not have worked, but it was to have been the only place you could go if you wanted to, say, have a knock-down row with someone, tell them what you really thought about them, argue on behalf of Hitler or what have you, knowing that such comments would not reflect on your membership outside of the sub-forum.

I don't know how Tore feels about it, but if it's seen as a popular idea again I'd be happy to give it another try.

As for "quality content", Marie, yeah I have to agree with the music-playing lizard: you're comparing decades of content to what, less than a year? It's hardly fair. MB built up its quite amazingly diverse store of threads, journals, drama and relationships over a long period and with a lot of different people. For the baby hardly able to walk as compared to the grandparent now sitting in their rocking chair and looking for someone to bring them a cup of milky tea before bedtime, I think we've done quite well. Imagine what we'll be like in 2033! I know I'm only back, for reasons well beyond my own control, but I think everyone is doing their best to make this the best forum it can be.

I think maybe that is a good idea honestly. The original attempt was like an opt-in kinda thing, right? I think that would be nice; people could sling all the awful crap they wanted and I would never feel tempted to engage if the subforum was inaccessible.

Maybe if things get a bit heated between two members who have opted in, they could invoke some kind of agreement that they will take it to the first amendment forum. Just an idea.

I'm not sure there is a perfect solution to this whole thing, but I think it's worth a shot!

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I think we can try again if people want as that's part of the beauty of this place. We can just do stuff. This idea obviously hasn't died yet, so maybe it needs another go.

But imo, we should just call it Unmoderated then as it effectively communicates (nearly) all you need to know. 🤔

Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Oct 06, 2023, 12:17 AMAnything goes as long as it's funny.

I love your whole post but especially this part. I have really bad depression and anxiety and comedy has and always will be the one thing I turn to when I need to sort of...feel better? In a way, y'all know what I mean. I honestly think that people that can joke with each other and take shit from each other tend to be closer as far as friendship goes compared to the contrary. My best friend and I insult each other daily and it just strengthens our friendship.

I say anything goes as long as people speak up if they really get offended. Otherwise it's just petty and we don't want that. This is an internet forum, it's not like we're showing up in people's feeds about "omg did you see what this person said??" It's just as individuals having a good time.

Quote from: Key on Oct 06, 2023, 04:50 PMI honestly think that people that can joke with each other and take shit from each other tend to be closer as far as friendship goes compared to the contrary. My best friend and I insult each other daily and it just strengthens our friendship.

I'd say this kind of activity is already okay here, even if it may be hard to correctly identify for outsiders.

Sometimes I can't tell if people are joking or being hostile with me. And also if they're addressing me specifically or talking generally.

As long as people know when to stop then go for it.

I think the important point is that everyone has to know, before they enter the Thunderdome, sorry Unmoderated forum (meh, mine has more of a ring to it) that they are opening themselves up to the kind of behaviour which would not generally be allowed or accepted outside in the main forum. You need to know what you're letting yourself in for and recognise that. At the same time, it can't be a total free-for-all where people get insulted or bullied for no reason. How do you draw the line? Well, a good starting point is to buy a pencil and some paper. But seriously: I don't think there is anyone here who genuinely hates or wants to hurt anyone (except that guy) so I imagine a healthy, no-holds-barred exorcising of demons (and demons need to be exercised too, kids: you can't just leave them throwing fireballs at the curtains) would be, as I said before, a handy safety valve.

I think it would be fair to say that insults (as such) based on someone's behaviour would be okay, but baseless stuff would not. For instance, if everyone knows I'm a skinny git then I can be called a walking skeleton or whatever, but nobody should be able to say I sit on chimneys with a BB gun and take potshots at seagulls, as there's no evidence to support this. Yet. Stupid example, but you know what I mean. No? Quite honestly, neither do I. Who are you people? Where am I?

Good luck with this but I don't really like it. I'm staying far away from it. It feels like a slippery slope that's going to end up causing an issue later on but we shall see.

My main concern is just people having respect for others' personal lines. If someone politely says that another's posts caused them pain or trauma, and the other person responds by doubling down or mocking them, then that is in my mind the line between harmless jabs/roasts and straight up bullying.

The more I think about it the more I think the subforum is mostly unnecessary to be honest. I think if we can be responsible about it there's nothing wrong with allowing a bit of sh*t slinging on the normal forums. I think at the end of the day the general SCD user base is just made up of less edgy people than MB.

Why do I get the feeling it's going to be just Steph and JWB in there shouting at each other? Look I'm easy either way (ask anyone!) - if two or more people want the sub forum and Tore's okay with it, we can do it. If it's not deemed necessary that's fine too. I don't see its absence being a problem at the moment, but then I haven't been here for a long time so what do I know? Answers on the back of a fifty Euro note to...

Quote from: Trollheart on Oct 06, 2023, 06:56 PMWhy do I get the feeling it's going to be just Steph and JWB in there shouting at each other? Look I'm easy either way (ask anyone!) - if two or more people want the sub forum and Tore's okay with it, we can do it. If it's not deemed necessary that's fine too. I don't see its absence being a problem at the moment, but then I haven't been here for a long time so what do I know? Answers on the back of a fifty Euro note to...

 :laughing:  That's basically what it's going to be with an occasional person or two that pops in from time to time but other than that. it's just those two.

If there is a vote and I'm absent, I'm for the idea. I don't see the harm. Anything that is said in there will be left out of the rest of the board which would be a positive for everyone. If you don't want to partake in the unmonitored forum, just don't.

I'm game faggots and queers only tho

jk I wanna argue with right wingers lol

Weeell, we put it to the vote last time and it was pretty much a stalemate.

I don't think it's a good idea, but I also don't mind giving it another shot. It's unmoderated after all, so shouldn't be much work.

@Trollheart who should see this forum? Is it an opt-in membergroup or people above a certain post threshold or just a free for all?

I say it be an opt-in tbh

Quote from: Key on Oct 07, 2023, 12:50 AMIf you don't want to partake in the unmonitored forum, just don't.

And consider abstaining from the vote as well. Funny how those against the idea are those who wouldn't participate anyway.

Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Oct 07, 2023, 10:08 PMAnd consider abstaining from the vote as well. Funny how those against the idea are those who wouldn't participate anyway.

That's absolutely fair. I think it is worth a shot anyway, I'm not necessarily opposed even if I'm not convinced it's really needed.

Alright, I'll implement sometime tomorrow when I can find some time with a computer.

You have until then to try and stop me.

Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 08, 2023, 12:37 AMAlright, I'll implement sometime tomorrow when I can find some time with a computer.

You have until then to try and stop me.

I'm pulling the plug on this whole site mwah haha

Needs a good name.

It was called The Abyss before, and anyone who opted in was a 'diver'.

I thought this was good, but didn't have enough spice.

The Fight Club?

I guess opt-in would be the best method. Probably important to make clear that apart from what's said there stays there, nothing posted there should be pasted into threads outside of the sub-forum, nor should conversations/debates/drama there be referred to outside of it.

I should also point out that though I think it's a good idea for those who need it, I have no intention myself of opting in. I'm just too nice a guy.

Names? The Black Hole, with those opting in being called spacers? Meh, you do better then. How about the Event Horizon, as in, point of no return? Maybe they could be called nomads. Ah I don't know: leave me alone.

The Colosseum.

Posters are Gladiators  8)

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If it's not just Unmoderated, how about The Troll Cave? And its residents could be trolls.

There is only one Trolls!

Or go all out and just call it The Nine Circles of Hell and residents can be Demons 👹

I wonder if this will turn out to be the thread that baits Batlord and brings him aboard?

Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 08, 2023, 10:47 AMOr go all out and just call it The Nine Circles of Hell and residents can be Demons 👹

I like this name suggestion. Or the residents could be called denizens.

Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Oct 07, 2023, 10:08 PMAnd consider abstaining from the vote as well. Funny how those against the idea are those who wouldn't participate anyway.

It's easy to see what a shit show it can become but if the majority want it then so be it. It's not like I will have to clean up the eventual mess/shit show that it will become.

Not sure why you care then

Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 08, 2023, 07:33 AMIf it's not just Unmoderated, how about The Troll Cave? And its residents could be trolls.

My people are not to be made a figure of fun! Do you know what it costs these days to rent a small cramped space under a bridge? And how many times have you been turned to stone? Don't talk about me till you've walked a mile in my shoes!

Actually if you're going for a Nine Circles thing, while not call it Dante's Bar or something?

The Octagon is another possibility 🤔

For all you fighters out there.

Call it the dog pound. Users are bullies.

Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Oct 08, 2023, 05:48 PMCall it the dog pound. Users are bullies.

Nice. I like it.

Probably best to keep it simple and just call it "Unmoderated Forum" so that way from the get-go, people don't stumble in expecting something that's being moderated / being looked at. That's my take. Gets the issue of someone accidentally seeing something they don't want to see less of a chance of happening.

In parenthesis it can have a nickname but I agree with Key

so where is it?

Up ur butt

Quote from: degrassi.knoll on Oct 09, 2023, 01:00 AMUp ur butt

not yet

Speaking as someone who would prob never use it, and therefore someone whose opinion shouldn't be accorded much weight, I agree that "Unmoderated" should be right there in the title, so everyone knows what it might contain. There are a sufficient number of cryptic, click-bait titles on the internet as it is and I think it would suit the "newcomers-welcome" style of SDC better if it were clearly labelled.

Although, having said that, I'm assuming that any such thread would be in the "Secret" section, am I right? Otherwise, if literally unmoderated, it might turn into a dumping ground of all the worst things floating around on the internet.

Edit: "The Unmoderated Free-Speech Thread" would explain what it's for without (i) encouraging people to insult each other or (ii) referencing the US constitution.

Just call it The Shitbox and have every post in there take one post off their post count.

When you reach zero you get a 6 week time out :)

No one asked me, but I'll throw my 2.3/16 cents worth in, anyway. First off, it's hard to not look like a total wanker and say "Yeah, I've adminned forums", but yeah, I've adminned forums and in my experience:

An unmoderated forum is very much a double edged sword. It's nice to have an opt-in, gloves off, down to the nitty gritty, no pussyfooting (Fripp&Eno)type forum for the "real talk" and all the edgy, tough guy content. Obviously, morons will decide it's a place to post whatever they want and then cry that it got deleted because it was illegal. It can also be a place where members reveal their true selves and give you an idea what they are really like and if you want them on your forum at all in the first place.
I usually think Escape From New York, when I think unmoderated forum. Someone will always walk around looking for a fight and think there will be no consequences. Someone will always post pr0n or gore and think they're cool and edgy and all 2004chan.

I think that there should be an unmoderated edge to the forum but still have bannable offenses and rules

Quote from: tristan_geoff on Oct 09, 2023, 07:33 AMI think that there should be an unmoderated edge to the forum but still have bannable offenses and rules

I don't think that works. you either have an unmoderated edge or you don't. If it's unmoderated then there are no rules or bannable offenses. You can't have them both operating when they are two conflicting ideals.

It's up! Although I couldn't quite settle on the best possible name / membergroup, so maybe that's a future poll.

Anyways, name for now is Agitator and if you're an Agitator, you get access to Unmoderated.

Join up here (https://scd.community/index.php?action=profile;area=groupmembership)!

Quote from: Guybrush on Oct 09, 2023, 05:26 PMIt's up! Although I couldn't quite settle on the best possible name / membergroup, so maybe that's a future poll.

Anyways, name for now is Agitator and if you're an Agitator, you get access to Unmoderated.

Join up here (https://scd.community/index.php?action=profile;area=groupmembership)!

This just links to your profile.

Quote from: grindy on Oct 09, 2023, 08:02 PMThis just links to your profile.

Think I fixed those links.

If not, it's under My Groups in the personal menu. Click the little avatar at the top of the page and look towards the bottom of the menu.

Added a poll!

Posting to see if I am a swollen member.

Oh yes I love it.

Quote from: jimmy jazz on Oct 09, 2023, 08:19 PMPosting to see if I am a swollen member.

Oh yes I love it.

Yes, well.. I made some minor adjustments while I was anyways fiddling with user groups 😄

Looks good to me. Perfect name too. Those that don't want to partake don't have to and those that want to, can. Simple as that. Thanks tore!

Are we allowed to vote even if we don't plan on opting in?

Quote from: Mrs. Waffles on Oct 09, 2023, 08:38 PMAre we allowed to vote even if we don't plan on opting in?

Sure 🙂

Otherwise, we'll get two votes or so.

Lol @ Event Horizon

Try #2 for this idea. Let's get controversy.

I love the movie Event Horizon. I had to vote for it.