I'm honest enough to admit even my favourite bands don't have them. Genesis? The debut, Abacab, Calling All Stations - they've a few. Marillion? Not so many but I don't particularly like Somwhere Else (and have yet to listen to their most recent two). Waits? Not into The Black Rider, Blood Money or Alice at all. Bon Jovi's 7800 Fahrenheit is two or three good songs struggling to stay afloat amongst a sea of dross, and Iron Maiden? Well, you know how I feel about The X Factor and Virtual XI!
So I can't offer any. But can you? In order to qualify and meet the benchmark, your artist(s) must fulfil one of two criteria: either (a) it's generally accepted (among their fans or even outside of their fanbase) that they don't have a bad album or (b) you believe this to be the case. If you're going for (b), be totally honest with yourself: can you say that you would take every album this artist has (studio only; don't worry about compilations, live albums, extended reissues etc - I only ever judge an artist's discography on their original output) and listen to them, one after the other, without skipping a track?
Any artists we can say that about, we'll keep a list of, and let's see just how many artists have actually produced a flawless catalogue.
Important note: if (a) above goes against your belief, then (a) wins. In other words, if everyone - or most - think the artist has at least one album that sucks, then they are disqualified, even if you think otherwise. Your opinion is valid, of course, but you can't go against public and popular opinion.
So, who's first? Anyone?
Important note: Only artists with three or more STUDIO albums (see above caveat) are allowed to be considered (this does not include personal solo albums etc). Please check before you nominate, as it's a pain in the face having to double-check them on Wiki when I don't know them. Thanks.
CURRENT LIST
Nick Drake
Steely Dan
The Raincoats
The Stooges
Jun Togawa
The Birthday Party
Neutral Milk Hotel*
Bikini Kill
After Dinner
Jimi Hendrix
Velvet Underground
Underground
Silver Apples
The Cramps
The Smiths
Dog Faced Hermans
The Breeders
Guerilla Toss
Long fin Killie
Simon and Garfunkel
Penguin Cafe Orchestra
Änglagård
Laura Mvula
Led Zeppelin
Talk Talk
My Bloody Valentine
Portishead
Boards of Canada
Slowdive
Outkast
The Roots
Sigur Rós
My Chemical Romance
Run the Jewels
EI-P (Not ELP, nor ELO)
Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros
The Tikiyaki Orchestra
Alvvays
* bowing to the superior experience of Marie here
That's a tough challenge, Trollheart ! Probably like you, I ran through, in my head, some likely candidates, (Allmans, Softs, Beatles, etc) but they all had weak albums, either early efforts, or more often, imo, later, off-the-boil albums. In the end I settled on this old favourite who has one great advantage in discographies: he only released three albums:-
Five Leaves Left - a melancholy beauty with strings, and a mood set by the singer that makes for a cohesive, quality album.
Bryter Layter - a jazzier development of the previous. The only thing you can say about the weakest imo track (One Of These Things First) is not that it's bad, it's just not quite as good as the others.
Pink Moon - This was the one that took me longest to like, but it's highly regarded, and if you're in the mood is still a good, if fairly stark collection of songs.
As for listening to all six sides of Nick Drake's studio albums in one go, I don't think I'd want to do that with any artist, so I'm not sure it's a good criteria to put in. It's like asking "Which drink do you like so much that you'd drink ten gallons of it in one sitting?"
I'd second Nick Drake. It's a very good mention.
For myself, I'd think perhaps Steely Dan. I'll be honest and say I haven't listened too much to Two Against Nature, but I think it's well regarded. So while I could be wrong, I think that means every SD album is.
I certainly like them with Aja and Gaucho being my favourites.
The Cramps
Sex Pistols
Joy Division
The raincoats
The stooges
Jun Togawa
The birthday party
Anna hogberg attack
Bikini kill
After dinner
Jimi Hendrix
The Beatles and Sleater-Kinney have inconsistent discographies but no actual bad albums.imo so they half-count
Also:
Silver apples
Neutral milk hotel
My bloody valentine
A lot of these are three-album bands, interestingly
The velvet Underground is also inconsistent but never bad
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 23, 2024, 02:16 PMAlso:
Silver apples
Neutral milk hotel
My bloody valentine
A lot of these are three-album bands, interestingly
The velvet Underground is also inconsistent but never bad
I was gonna say VU. The last one is a VU album in name only. So of their actual albums they're all good imo.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2024, 03:30 PMI was gonna say VU. The last one is a VU album in name only. So of their actual albums they're all good imo.
I'd argue that you should count everything released under the band's name; otherwise we get into more arbitrary territory. It's not an objective fact that Squeeze is not a "real" VU album, it's listed as part of their studio album discography.
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 23, 2024, 04:12 PMI'd argue that you should count everything released under the band's name; otherwise we get into more arbitrary territory. It's not an objective fact that Squeeze is not a "real" VU album, it's listed as part of their studio album discography.
By all means if there are any other examples feel free to exclude them as well.
For some legal or contractual reason Squeeze was able to use the band's name but its a Doug Yule solo album. It's not their music.
I have well-over 600 Underworld albums and shows and there isn't a single one I don't enjoy. Sure, there are stretches like Bungalow With Stairs but you have to go through hundreds of releases to get that deep in the weeds and even then there are some nice surprises, like the "Lonely Bollock / Happy Bollock" deep cut name-check of an old and half-forgotten speech sample from a discarded Lemonworld tape.
It's rare that an electronic duo can be this fresh and enjoyable live, particularly after over 40 years of music-making. I treasure their archives.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 23, 2024, 04:17 PMBy all means if there are any other examples feel free to exclude them as well.
For some legal or contractual reason Squeeze was able to use the band's name but its a Doug Yule solo album. It's not their music.
I mean there have been other instances of albums where only one previous member of the band was involved. There are Smashing Pumpkins albums where it's basically just Billy Corgan and some hired guns. And yeah he's a more important member of his band than Doug Yule was for the VU, but that's still a subjective judgement on the listeners' part. But that's just my take of course.
I'll think about my answer to the thread and post in a bit.
I had straight up forgotten that Squeeze existed lol
other perfect discographies:
The Smiths
Dog Faced Hermans
The Breeders
Guerilla Toss
Long fin Killie
and then I haven't even counted any one-album bands
I suspect Kristin Hersh has never made bad music and the same goes for a lot of Jazz musicians but those discographies are too fucking large so idk
And have Kendrick Lamar and jpegmafia ever released anything bad? I think the general consensus is no, but I don't know all their albums either
Kendrick has yes.
As well as skippable tracks even on his best releases.
The Kendrick thread on MB when 'Damn' dropped >>>
ah ok
Glad to see one of my threads finally generating some discussion! I should say though that one-album (and even two-album) discographies would be out, as they would defeat the whole idea of the thing. So let's say three albums at a minimum. And that has to be by the band/artist, so no adding in solo efforts please.
There would be a strong argument for Dr Dre if he didn't put interludes on his first two albums.
Chronic - 9.5/10
2001 - 8/10
Compton - 9/10
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 23, 2024, 05:39 AMFor myself, I'd think perhaps Steely Dan. I'll be honest and say I haven't listened too much to Two Against Nature, but I think it's well regarded. So while I could be wrong, I think that means every SD album is.
I certainly like them with Aja and Gaucho being my favourites.
^ I'd be with you on Steely Dan, Guybrush - but only if they had stopped at The Royal Scam! ;)
At that point, either their music changed in a way that I didn't like so much, or they carried on with a similar sound and I, fickle listener that I am, lost interest in their material.
Still, it's a good call as SD albums are always of such a high musical standard.
Marie Monday has come up with a long list of artists that I'll prob be exploring in the days ahead - and thanks for the mention of Neutral Milk Hotel which has prompted me to revisit
On Avery Island. NMH's discography, plus the discussion I've been reading about
Squeeze shows up another intriguing wrinkle in TH's challenge: where does a band's discography begin and end ? TH quite rightly narrows it down to original studio releases only. In which case, to my surprise, NMH only have two albums in their catalogue, though personally I've always regarded
Ferris Wheel On Fire a perfectly legit third NMH album.
With some artists I really like, I still haven't heard their full discography (see Steely Dan above) so while I have a couple of other possible contenders, for the moment, here are two artists I can more confidently add to the list of "perfect discographies":-
Simon and Garfunkel
Penguin Cafe Orchestra
I've updated the OP, setting in stone the three albums or more rule, and as a result some of your suggestions, including NMH, have been disqualified. Sorry, but there's little point in calling two albums a discography. Ideally, I'd want bigger ones than three, but as a minimum, as it is written in the Great Book of Armaments (Chapter 2, v. 9-21) about the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, in the very words of Saint Atilla himself: "three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three."
Ouch ! The hard man, Trollheart has rejected Neutral Milk Hotel, just when I was going to plead a special case for Syd Barratt's solo albums (two legit ones and more-or-less one outtakes collection). I certainly won't be trying that now!
But well done, Trollheart: it's a good idea to put a list at the top of the thread, and absolutely perfect authority and precedent for three being the number. :laughing:
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 24, 2024, 10:59 PM^ I'd be with you on Steely Dan, Guybrush - but only if they had stopped at The Royal Scam! ;)
At that point, either their music changed in a way that I didn't like so much, or they carried on with a similar sound and I, fickle listener that I am, lost interest in their material.
Still, it's a good call as SD albums are always of such a high musical standard.
Marie Monday has come up with a long list of artists that I'll prob be exploring in the days ahead - and thanks for the mention of Neutral Milk Hotel which has prompted me to revisit On Avery Island. NMH's discography, plus the discussion I've been reading about Squeeze shows up another intriguing wrinkle in TH's challenge: where does a band's discography begin and end ? TH quite rightly narrows it down to original studio releases only. In which case, to my surprise, NMH only have two albums in their catalogue, though personally I've always regarded Ferris Wheel On Fire a perfectly legit third NMH album.
With some artists I really like, I still haven't heard their full discography (see Steely Dan above) so while I have a couple of other possible contenders, for the moment, here are two artists I can more confidently add to the list of "perfect discographies":-
Simon and Garfunkel
Penguin Cafe Orchestra
There are some interesting cases that are the
reverse of Squeeze, where it's clearly the same band but released under a different name for whatever reason. One example being the Hawkwind album that they had to release under the name Hawklords for some legal reason. Or the 1991 reunion album by the band Japan that was released under the name Rain Tree Crow but was made up of the classic Japan lineup.
So should one count those cases? I'd love to hear your take,
@Trollheart .
^ That's very knowledgeable, Lexi !!
Yep, only a ruling from Trollheart will answer those questions.
:)
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 25, 2024, 12:11 AMThere are some interesting cases that are the reverse of Squeeze, where it's clearly the same band but released under a different name for whatever reason. One example being the Hawkwind album that they had to release under the name Hawklords for some legal reason. Or the 1991 reunion album by the band Japan that was released under the name Rain Tree Crow but was made up of the classic Japan lineup.
So should one count those cases? I'd love to hear your take, @Trollheart .
An interesting question you pose, young Skywalker. Or something. Well, in the case of Hawkwind, they have about 54,000 albums anyway, so it doesn't come up, yet it's a valid point. If a band or artist releases an album under another name, is it counted? Devin Townsend has albums under his name, Devin Townsend Project and Strapping Young Lad. The Beatles technically released Sgt Peppers as that band, and then of course you have the many personalities and identities of the Late Artist Formerly Known as Prince, and often with The Revolution. So I don't know: I think it really only comes up in the case of artists with less than 3 albums, and let's face it, few of them are going to have been well-established enough to be able or want to release an album under another name. I guess we'll take it on a case-by-case basis, but the general rule I suppose would be: if an artist only has (or had) two albums, and by adding in another released under another name/identity that makes three, then they're not counted. In other words, you can't make a three-album discography by getting Bender to bend the rules so it fits. You hear that, Mr. Blair? Facts to fit conclusions, not the other way around... oh yeah. Too late. Right. Well...
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 24, 2024, 11:13 PMI've updated the OP, setting in stone the three albums or more rule, and as a result some of your suggestions, including NMH, have been disqualified. Sorry, but there's little point in calling two albums a discography.
NMH have more than two albums, counting also this for instance
It does disqualify the Anna Högberg Attack though
For Jun togawa I'm including anything released more or less under her name (so including Jun Togawa Unit etc.)
Meh, I know nothing about establishments which offer cow's juice which is neither here nor there, so I'll take your word for it. Wiki says they only have 2 albums, but if you're happy I'll switch out Anna Hogberg for it.
I have a couple of suggestions for discussion, if you're up for it.
- Led Zeppelin - they don't have a bad album, right?
- Talk Talk - though I suspect their debut might not be very interesting (haven't heard that one)
Änglagård
I understand the logic with not wanting one album discogs but two? Some of the best bands and artists ever couldn't match their debuts.
Oh well its only a thread on the Internet.
Add Laura Mvula.
A few of these are lesser-known bands but I think they are worthy of including in my list...
Beatles
Broadcast
Brownout
Cream
Grupo Fantasma
Jimi Hendrix
Kikagaku Moyo
Love
Nirvana
Rose City Band
Soundgarden
Sure Fire Soul Ensemble
Stevie Ray Vaughan
I'll give an honorable mention to Led Zeppelin but their final album (In Through the Out Door) never did much for me.
Four of the bands in my list (Brownout, Grupo Fantasma, Rose City Band, Sure Fire Soul Ensemble) are still together and releasing albums, so there's always a possibility that they might release a mediocre album at some point before they eventually disband.
Oh broadcast is a good one!
To address some concerns: I feel two albums isn't enough to call it a discography. Sure, it may fit the literal description, but you could also look on it as being a case of an artist getting it right first time, stumbling through a second album and also getting it right, but then what would happen on the third? I think three is the sweet spot: at that point, most artists would have probably used up all their "A" material (some of which often goes onto the second album as it's left over) and have to look at writing new stuff, which might be where it all falls down. Also, if an artist is unexpectedly popular and successful first time around (look at Europe, or rather, don't) then they might struggle to keep up that quality with subsequent albums (again, look at Europe). So three minimum seems to me to be the benchmark we reach for.
As for bands still releasing material, sure: they may indeed drop a turd, but nobody can see the future so in that case, it's an assessment of what they have already released. I suppose, for artists still active, you could add "at this point" onto the thread title.
Finally, Psy-Fi, can I assume all the artists on your list satisfy the three-album-minimum, or do I have to go checking them all?
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 25, 2024, 07:56 PMOh broadcast is a good one!
:beer:
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 25, 2024, 08:04 PMFinally, Psy-Fi, can I assume all the artists on your list satisfy the three-album-minimum, or do I have to go checking them all?
Yes, to your first question. :)
I would argue Portishead belongs on the list. Like a few other suggestions it's also a 3 album discog but you can tell that every time they've embarked on an album project, they've set out to perfect the aesthetic they went for on that album, never releasing albums just for the sake of doing so.
Others that could be considered:
Boards of Canada - if you consider their official studio discography as beginning with 1996's Boc Maxima you could argue they don't have a dud to their name, although depending on who you ask, Tomorrow's Harvest could be the closest thing to being that.
Slowdive - All three of their 90's albums are classics imo, and both of their releases post-reunion I think are good enough to not be considered as tainting their discography.
Also, why is MBV not in the OP list even though Marie suggested them? They have three albums, which are all fairly stellar in my estimation, although ofc someone else might disagree with that
Quote from: GD on Mar 25, 2024, 11:09 PMI would argue Portishead belongs on the list. Like a few other suggestions it's also a 3 album discog but you can tell that every time they've embarked on an album project, they've set out to perfect the aesthetic they went for on that album, never releasing albums just for the sake of doing so.
Yup. It's 3 album minimum, which means an artist with 3 albums is acceptable, or any amount over 3.
QuoteOthers that could be considered:
Boards of Canada - if you consider their official studio discography as beginning with 1996's Boc Maxima you could argue they don't have a dud to their name, although depending on who you ask, Tomorrow's Harvest could be the closest thing to being that.
Slowdive - All three of their 90's albums are classics imo, and both of their releases post-reunion I think are good enough to not be considered as tainting their discography.
Will add
QuoteAlso, why is MBV not in the OP list even though Marie suggested them? They have three albums, which are all fairly stellar in my estimation, although ofc someone else might disagree with that
Because, to quote the immortal Basil Fawlty, I forgot. I'm so sorry; it's not all done by magic. :) :) Will add now.
Quote from: Marie Monday on Mar 25, 2024, 01:08 AMNMH have more than two albums, counting also this for instance
^ That's new material for me, Marie. Thanks. NMH also have an EP called
Everything Is; perhaps you've heard it?
With a run time of 15 mins, I suppose it doesn't count for this thread.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 25, 2024, 01:11 PMI understand the logic with not wanting one album discogs but two? Some of the best bands and artists ever couldn't match their debuts.
Oh well its only a thread on the Internet.
^ How can you say that, jimmy jazz !! :laughing:
I, for one, am here to nit-pick, split hairs and work out the various frustrations of my life at Trollheart's expense.
...and in this case, at Psy-Fi's expense too, because he's posted a band whose discography I'm actually familiar with: The Beatles.
Presumably a perfect discography is a discography of perfect albums, but I feel the Beatles fall short with The White Album, (of which it is so often said "It would've made a great single album") Let It Be, and Yellow Submarine, which yes, I checked, is listed as a Beatles album, though perhaps it shouldn't be.
But even I will concede that if we start arguing about what albums are perfect, this thread will never be done, so my apologies, Psy-Fi, I'll withdraw my remarks and let your Beatles nom stand uncontested. ;)
The Roots are very, very close to a perfect discog imo.
Outkast are too.
None of their albums are considered duds but their last ones didn't get the same critical acclaim as earlier ones.
Having seen some of the suggestions they deserve a shout as much as anyone else tbh.
The La's
Don't care about the three album rule.
Arguably the best album to ever come out of Liverpool imo.
Sigur ros.
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 26, 2024, 03:54 PMI, for one, am here to nit-pick, split hairs and work out the various frustrations of my life at Trollheart's expense.
...and in this case, at Psy-Fi's expense too, because he's posted a band whose discography I'm actually familiar with: The Beatles.
Presumably a perfect discography is a discography of perfect albums, but I feel the Beatles fall short with The White Album, (of which it is so often said "It would've made a great single album") Let It Be, and Yellow Submarine, which yes, I checked, is listed as a Beatles album, though perhaps it shouldn't be.
But even I will concede that if we start arguing about what albums are perfect, this thread will never be done, so my apologies, Psy-Fi, I'll withdraw my remarks and let your Beatles nom stand uncontested. ;)
I have to admit that I almost left the Beatles off my list because of The White Album in particular but I decided that it's still a great album even though it's probably my least favorite of theirs.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 26, 2024, 04:27 PMThe La's
Don't care about the three album rule.
Arguably the best album to ever come out of Liverpool imo.
Sigur ros.
Whether you care or not about the rule, JJ, gonna ask you politely to respect it. If you put in artists with less than three, in the case of the La's it's only one, you give me extra work, as I have to check to see if they qualify. They don't. So please don't nominate artists you know are not going to be considered. Additionally, since you've now done it once I have to assume you're not bothering complying with your other choices, and I have to check them too. It's not a big deal to you, I'm sure, but it's a pain in the aft nacelle for me, so do us a favour and follow the rule. It is only one, and quite a reasonable one I should have thought. Thanks.
Sigur Ros are obviously okay. Your other choices will be added after I check to see if they qualify, which I shouldn't have to do. Everyone else is playing the game, so please follow suit. Much obliged.
P.S. If you want to talk about artists with what you consider to be perfect discogs, but know they can't be added, just say so, ie "The La's: I know they don't qualify, but just wanted to say" or something similar. Same goes for anyone else who wants to pursue that tack.
My Chemical Romance
@TrollheartSorry Big T. Was just a non serious comment as I wanted to mention them.
I'll be clear next time.
It won't happen again.
We cool, man. We cool. :beer:
Quote from: Lexi Darling on Mar 26, 2024, 05:10 PMMy Chemical Romance
now that's a spicy pick
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 26, 2024, 03:54 PM^ That's new material for me, Marie. Thanks. NMH also have an EP called Everything Is; perhaps you've heard it?
With a run time of 15 mins, I suppose it doesn't count for this thread.
^ How can you say that, jimmy jazz !! :laughing:
I, for one, am here to nit-pick, split hairs and work out the various frustrations of my life at Trollheart's expense.
...and in this case, at Psy-Fi's expense too, because he's posted a band whose discography I'm actually familiar with: The Beatles.
Presumably a perfect discography is a discography of perfect albums, but I feel the Beatles fall short with The White Album, (of which it is so often said "It would've made a great single album") Let It Be, and Yellow Submarine, which yes, I checked, is listed as a Beatles album, though perhaps it shouldn't be.
But even I will concede that if we start arguing about what albums are perfect, this thread will never be done, so my apologies, Psy-Fi, I'll withdraw my remarks and let your Beatles nom stand uncontested. ;)
yeah I think Everything Is is too short so I wasn't counting it. It warms my heart that you're allowing the Beatles on there and to be fair, many of you will find some of my picks spicy too (Bikini Kill obvs and some of the Breeders' albums are a bit out there) but as long as we all honsetly feel like we can argue our cases then I for one welcome that
Quote from: Guybrush on Mar 25, 2024, 08:43 AMI have a couple of suggestions for discussion, if you're up for it.
- Led Zeppelin - they don't have a bad album, right?
- Talk Talk - though I suspect their debut might not be very interesting (haven't heard that one)
I think most would argue that Presence and In Through the Out Door would exclude Zeppelin from this list. Personally, I love both records, even to the point where I'd argue they're better than some of their earlier releases, but I don't know if I'd argue Zeppelin's discography is perfect - but damn, it's pretty friggin' close. :laughing:
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 24, 2024, 09:57 PMThere would be a strong argument for Dr Dre if he didn't put interludes on his first two albums.
Chronic - 9.5/10
2001 - 8/10
Compton - 9/10
No shot man, Compton better than 2001?!? I got sick of the skits too, and 2001 is longer than it needs to be, but Compton was a massive disappointment after so many years of build-up - way too much autotune on the vocals too.
Just thought of another one.
Run the Jewels.
Four albums all flawless.
About as perfect as you can get.
You could add El-P as a solo artist too as his three solo albums all got rave reviews too.
Quote from: SGR on Mar 26, 2024, 09:39 PMNo shot man, Compton better than 2001?!? I got sick of the skits too, and 2001 is longer than it needs to be, but Compton was a massive disappointment after so many years of build-up - way too much autotune on the vocals too.
100%
Compton was great. It makes me feel like I'm in Compton and want to wear a check shirt and Nike Cortez. Pour out a little liquor. Go to Fatburger.
2001 had the bigger singles. Compton didn't have any big hits but is a better album.
Not to be pedantic but the build-up was for Detox which got shelved because Dre admitted it was shit. Compton was off the back of the film as he was so inspired again.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 26, 2024, 09:42 PM100%
Compton was great. It makes me feel like I'm in Compton and want to wear a check shirt and Nike Cortez. Pour out a little liquor. Go to Fatburger.
2001 had the bigger singles. Compton didn't have any big hits but is a better album.
Not to be pedantic but the build-up was for Detox which got shelved because Dre admitted it was shit. Compton was off the back of the film as he was so inspired again.
Well, I'm glad you like it. :laughing:
I realize 'Detox' was what the build-up was for specifically, as that is the album he was teasing - but at a more fundamental level, the build-up was just for the next Dr. Dre album. If we keep going like this though, next you'll tell me that Wu-Tang's
A Better Tomorrow was a better album than
Wu-Tang Forever, and I just don't wanna live in that reality, man. :laughing:
It's been a minute, so I checked out the song from Wu-Tang Forever that inspired the future album's title, and yup, it still bangs.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 26, 2024, 09:40 PMJust thought of another one.
Run the Jewels.
Four albums all flawless.
About as perfect as you can get.
You could add El-P as a solo artist too as his three solo albums all got rave reviews too.
Now THIS I can get behind 100%. My god, they are great. They were the soundtrack to much of my college life. El-P was basically my introduction to indie rap, and I've been waiting for a follow up for Cancer 4 Cure (which is my personal favorite of his) for a minute. I absolutely love his production.
And his chemistry with Killer Mike is inimitable. They don't quite have style or flair of Outkast, but they do have the chemistry. A UGK/Outkast like chemistry. Still one of my favorite opening tracks from a rap album (even though I prefer RTJ2 as a whole).
El-P's Gang of Four sample in RTJ4 blew my fucking socks off.
^ Good to see you writing so enthusiastically about music, SGR, which you haven't done so much recently, afaik. :thumb:
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Joe Strummer and The Mescaleros only made three albums together, each one top-notch throughout, imhumbleo. If your eyesight is good, you can see them here, plus a fourth disc of box-set bonus outtakes or something (the black one), which presumably doesn't count :-
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As far as people disagreeing over artists already on the list, that's cool if you want to, but really once they're up there it's going to take a national referendum, a majority opinion or a sizeable transfer to my PayPal account to shift them. In the spirit of togetherness and tolerance, I'd say unless you have a MAJOR beef with an artist being there, just leave them.
Of course, I'm always ready to referee fights. Let me just don my safety armour...
^ Yep, that's the only sensible approach for this thread Trollheart, until we have some glorious "What sucks about this band's perfect discography" thread :yikes:
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Mar 26, 2024, 11:18 PM^ Good to see you writing so enthusiastically about music, SGR, which you haven't done so much recently, afaik. :thumb:
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Joe Strummer and The Mescaleros only made three albums together, each one top-notch throughout, imhumbleo. If your eyesight is good, you can see them here, plus a fourth disc of box-set bonus outtakes or something (the black one), which presumably doesn't count :-
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Thanks Lisna! With music, I have my slumps and I'm in one now where I'm rarely listening to either new stuff or even old stuff. It happens occasionally for me. Up until the Super Bowl, I was absorbed with football and now with the US Presidential Election, I've shifted to politics. I've been thinking about making another entry in my 'SGR's Gold Mine' thread just to get talking about music again. Waiting for the mood to strike me.
As for Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros, I haven't listened to any of their stuff - perhaps I'll have to check it out at some point, given that I love his work with the Clash!
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 27, 2024, 12:19 AMAs far as people disagreeing over artists already on the list, that's cool if you want to, but really once they're up there it's going to take a national referendum, a majority opinion or a sizeable transfer to my PayPal account to shift them. In the spirit of togetherness and tolerance, I'd say unless you have a MAJOR beef with an artist being there, just leave them.
Of course, I'm always ready to referee fights. Let me just don my safety armour...
I'm going to argue with certain choices regardless of whether or not it makes a difference to them being on 'the list' :laughing: Depending on who ends up on this list, I might be DM'ing you for your PayPal info
But let me ask, Lisna just suggested Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros and you've just put them on the list, right? I don't have an opinion on whether or not their discography is perfect, but wouldn't it make more sense to separate 'the list' between
accepted entries and
nominated entries until we all have enough time to discuss/debate the nominations? Otherwise, I'll just nominate The Fall and the Beastie Boys to this list to force your hand (both of whom have incredible discographies, by the way) :laughing:
Quote from: SGR on Mar 26, 2024, 09:33 PMI think most would argue that Presence and In Through the Out Door would exclude Zeppelin from this list. Personally, I love both records, even to the point where I'd argue they're better than some of their earlier releases, but I don't know if I'd argue Zeppelin's discography is perfect - but damn, it's pretty friggin' close. :laughing:
Of course I know there were some disappointed fans back in the day along with some criticism. But both albums sound good to me, not duds. Even at their worst, I think they have a great sound and right now I'd rather listen to their last two albums than their first two.
But they're not
perfect. That's a word I don't use lightly, so in all honesty I don't think I know of a single =>3 album discography that's
perfect.
Quote from: SGR on Mar 27, 2024, 03:00 AMI'm going to argue with certain choices regardless of whether or not it makes a difference to them being on 'the list' :laughing: Depending on who ends up on this list, I might be DM'ing you for your PayPal info
But let me ask, Lisna just suggested Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros and you've just put them on the list, right? I don't have an opinion on whether or not their discography is perfect, but wouldn't it make more sense to separate 'the list' between accepted entries and nominated entries until we all have enough time to discuss/debate the nominations? Otherwise, I'll just nominate The Fall and the Beastie Boys to this list to force your hand (both of whom have incredible discographies, by the way) :laughing:
Good point, but my take on that is that personally I don't even know any of these artists, so who am I to say their discogs are not perfect? If there's enough interest and people want to put artists up for nomination, sure, but I kind of doubt you're going to get the majority of the artists already there being challenged. I just don't think there's enough strong feeling either way, though I suppose I could be wrong. What do you guys think?
@SGR re: the Wu Tang albums. Probably controversial opinion but they only have one album worth listening to imo.
Poor discog for such an iconic group.
Several of the members have better discogs by themselves.
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Mar 27, 2024, 07:24 PM@SGR re: the Wu Tang albums. Probably controversial opinion but they only have one album worth listening to imo.
Poor discog for such an iconic group.
Several of the members have better discogs by themselves.
I'd say Wu-Tang Forever and The W are both worth listening to. I think the only individual member who has a stronger discography than the group is Ghost - maaaaybe you could make a case for GZA too.
Another one I just thought of...
The Tikiyaki Orchestra
Still together and making music as of this post.
No stinkers yet.
A more recent example - Alvvays
A band that values quality over quantity, and get better with each album.
Quote from: Gandalf on Apr 02, 2024, 09:53 PMA more recent example - Alvvays
A band that values quality over quantity, and get better with each album.
Great call on Alvvays!
I've actually got an autographed (by every band member) LP copy of
Blue Rev ;D