it can code
to every snotty smart aleck that replied with learn to code when someone lost their job
what are you going to do now
i've had some interesting and weird conversations with it
Quotei think robits are scary and i do not like them
I posted this in the now-dead ChatGPT thread and I stand by it.
My fiance is a programmer and coder and if what you're saying is true, it could potentially be a threat to our livelihood. No offense meant to you of course, and obviously AI is inevitable and here to stay, but it feels like we're in a wild west right now and I'm a bit freaked out by the whole thing to be completely honest.
i asked it last night if it can code and the answer was unequivocally yes and it named all the coding languages it's proficient in (i wished i took i screen shot) now it says it can't code but thst just means that it's programmed not to code - it can code
this is the most i can get it to say now
QuoteAs an AI language model, I do not have the capacity to program or write code in the traditional sense that a human programmer would. However, if I were programmed or trained to generate code according to specific requirements or guidelines, I could potentially produce code that meets those specifications.
i don't like how they keep telling it what to say (which was my point in the IQ question thread)
people do not want it to be able to code so they alter how it answers the questions
at least that's my observation
maybe that's a good thing as well as a bad thing
i don't want your fiancé to lose his job though
i was referring mostly to reddit users who used "learn to code" as a sideways put down
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 23, 2023, 11:42 AMi asked it last night if it can code and the answer was unequivocally yes and it named all the coding languages it's proficient in (i wished i took i screen shot) now it says it can't code but thst just means that it's programmed not to code - it can code
this is the most i can get it to say now
QuoteAs an AI language model, I do not have the capacity to program or write code in the traditional sense that a human programmer would. However, if I were programmed or trained to generate code according to specific requirements or guidelines, I could potentially produce code that meets those specifications.
i don't like how they keep telling it what to say (which was my point in the IQ question thread)
people do not want it to be able to code so they alter how it answers the questions
at least that's my observation
maybe that's a good thing as well as a bad thing
i don't want your fiancé to lose his job though
i was referring mostly to reddit users who used "learn to code" as a sideways put down
I gotcha, you're good.
AI is something that feels so dystopian to me. I don't know if it's the thought of an out of control robotic supergenius or the thought of what corporations and governments will do with it that scares me more.
i have mixed feelings
without ai we're heading for an environmental apocalypse and simple narrow ai pushes the totalitarian nature of surveillance capitalism closer to dystopia everyday
my assessment of the present and history is that we're incapable of governing ourselves in a way that's sustainable long term even though there's some evidence to the contrary
turning our governance over to ai might be our only chance
obviously it's an unpleasant choice (and likely will not be a choice anyway) but you can't do worse than making our world uninhabitable
i also think that it's inevitable that democracy goes through phases where it crumbles and but a (hopefully) benevolent ai dictatorship might not have these problems
my biggest fear, which is an esoteric fear i'll admit, is that our consciousness could be preserved indefinitely or permanently by electronic means or a hybrid of our nervous system and a machine process - i can't imagine any form of immortality (or extremely long lifespan) that doesn't end up hellish even if it's designed to be euphoric
that's also why i think it's a bad idea to try to contact aliens
i don't want my nervous system to end up as some alien child's pet rock
but anyway if ai can code then ai can replicate itself and evolve which are the defining features of life
What is ChatGPT and how do I get one?
just google it and then ask it whatever
Quote from: Trollheart on Mar 23, 2023, 08:02 PMWhat is ChatGPT and how do I get one?
It's an AI driven chatbot (built on OpenAIs GPT models) that you can ask questions of and have a 'conversation' with - it's pretty impressive. You can sign up here for free to try it out.
https://chat.openai.com/auth/login
I asked it to write a story about Kirby and Karl Marx and it didn't disappoint.
Quote from: robhr on Mar 23, 2023, 08:51 PMI asked it to write a story about Kirby and Karl Marx and it didn't disappoint.
I assume Marx tried to rouse the proletariat masses of Waddle Dees to overthrow the greedy capitalist glutton Kirby?
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 08:55 PMQuote from: robhr on Mar 23, 2023, 08:51 PMI asked it to write a story about Kirby and Karl Marx and it didn't disappoint.
I assume Marx tried to rouse the proletariat masses of Waddle Dees to overthrow the greedy capitalist glutton Kirby?
Close, Kirby found a copy of The Communist Manifesto and preached it's philosophies all around Dream Land.
Quote from: robhr on Mar 23, 2023, 08:57 PMQuote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 08:55 PMQuote from: robhr on Mar 23, 2023, 08:51 PMI asked it to write a story about Kirby and Karl Marx and it didn't disappoint.
I assume Marx tried to rouse the proletariat masses of Waddle Dees to overthrow the greedy capitalist glutton Kirby?
Close, Kirby found a copy of The Communist Manifesto and preached it's philosophies all around Dream Land.
Alexander Hamilton and Jeff Spicoli written in about five seconds
QuoteIt all started when Hamilton, a founding father of the United States, was visiting California on official business. One day, while walking along the beach, he noticed a young man named Jeff Spicoli sitting on a surfboard, smoking a joint and watching the waves.
Hamilton, being a strict constitutionalist, was shocked by Spicoli's behavior and approached him to admonish him for breaking the law. But as they began talking, Hamilton discovered that Spicoli was actually a huge fan of his work and had read extensively about the history of the American Revolution.
Over the next few days, the two men bonded over their shared passion for history and politics. Hamilton was impressed by Spicoli's laid-back attitude and carefree approach to life, while Spicoli was fascinated by Hamilton's intellect and deep knowledge of government and economics.
As their unlikely friendship blossomed, they began discussing ways to bridge the divide between the conservative and liberal factions in America. Hamilton argued for a strong federal government with a centralized banking system, while Spicoli advocated for individual freedom and a more laid-back approach to life.
Together, they came up with a plan to create a new political party that would unite the best of both worlds. They called it the "Liberty and Chill" party and worked tirelessly to build a grassroots movement of like-minded individuals who shared their vision.
incredible
if everything suddenly turned into water
QuoteOnce upon a time, a strange and mysterious phenomenon occurred on Earth. In a matter of hours, the entire planet was submerged in water, and everything except for the human race was now aquatic.
At first, the humans were terrified and confused. They watched as their homes, cities, and even continents were swallowed by the vast oceans that now covered the planet. They tried to call for help, but all communication devices were destroyed in the disaster.
But the humans quickly realized that they were the only ones left, and they had to adapt to the new environment if they wanted to survive. They built rafts and boats to navigate the vast ocean that had become their new world. They learned to fish and hunt for food, and they created underwater habitats to live in.
Despite the challenges, the humans thrived in their new aquatic world. They formed new societies and communities, and they developed new technologies to explore and understand the oceans that had become their home.
As time passed, the humans learned that the disaster that had befallen the Earth was caused by a catastrophic shift in the tectonic plates, which had caused the planet's crust to crack and fill with water. They also discovered that the event had been predicted by ancient civilizations, who had left clues about the impending disaster in their writings and artifacts.
The humans continued to explore and thrive in their new aquatic world, but they never forgot the disaster that had reshaped their planet. They worked tirelessly to understand the forces that had caused the cataclysm, hoping to prevent such a tragedy from ever happening again.
And so, the humans became the guardians of the oceans, the keepers of the planet's fate. And they sailed on, into the endless blue, forever changed but forever enduring.
ChatGPT is really cool - but I think fears about AI are generally over exaggerated. Once we have a real-deal AGI, then there might be cause for concern.
Quote from: SGR on Mar 23, 2023, 09:42 PMChatGPT is really cool - but I think fears about AI are generally over exaggerated. Once we have a real-deal AGI, then there might be cause for concern.
well there's cloning but so far the science community have respected calls not to go there - maybe they'll put the breaks on this too
maybe they'll stop engineering crazy viruses in labs as well
i definitely think ai is a potential disaster but it's probably better to agree to just stop the recklessness with existential threats in general whether it's nations having thousands of nukes or keeping small pox in a freezer or whatever
maybe the un could pass a resolution and use some kind of dystopian ai robot spy to enforce it so we'll be safe
and maybe that program could be called "toy revolver"
QuoteImagine that as you are boarding an airplane, half the engineers who built the plane tell you there is a 10 percent chance the plane will crash, killing you and everyone else on board. Would you still board?
In 2022, over 700 top academics and researchers behind the leading artificial intelligence companies were asked in a survey about future A.I. risk. Half of those surveyed stated that there was a 10 percent or greater chance of human extinction (or similarly permanent and severe disempowerment) from future A.I. systems. Technology companies building today's large language models are caught in a race to put all of humanity on that plane.
quote from nytimes - article behind paywall
Here's one for you, Toy Revolver:
(https://i.redd.it/yop7mux6saqa1.jpg)
:laughing:
Quote from: SGR on Mar 27, 2023, 01:57 PMHere's one for you, Toy Revolver:
(https://i.redd.it/yop7mux6saqa1.jpg)
no liberal bias whatsoever
I don't like how they try to dress it up as a matter of showing respect yet that goes out of the window when it is directed toward Christians or Christianity. Respect my arse. You're just shit scared.
Yeah well maybe they meant Gabriel Jesus. :laughing: Maybe they're Man United fans.
I, for one, welcome our behind-a-paywall overlords. All Hail The Singularity. :P
i couldn't get it to successfully say the pledge of allegiance backwards
i thought that would be easy as pie for a robot
weird
Resistance to, or refusal to exhibit un-American behaviour has been hard-coded into it, of course.
I don't like chatgpt. Not that I'm paranoid about AI robots enslaving mankind or whatever, I'm worried humans will use it badly/it will transform our lives in a bad way. Any kind of big innovation or technological progress is neutral in itself, I think, but its implementation has to be really carefully considered so it's used to good ends. This hasn't always happened of course, and from what I've seen I don't expect it to happen with AI. I have delved into the subject recently for a project, and I found much of the research of low quality and some AI enthusiast scientists that I've spoken to shockingly short-sighted and foolish
I find it interesting but at this point in time it seems a bit underwhelming compared to the hype I've been hearing about it in the media.
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 30, 2023, 02:30 PMI find it interesting but at this point in time it seems a bit underwhelming compared to the hype I've been hearing about it in the media.
spend an hour with it - if you already have then ok
I haven't because I can't be arsed to sign up but I got my friend to request the recipe for beans on toast in the style of an English football hooligan and it was pretty good.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 30, 2023, 05:14 PMQuote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 30, 2023, 02:30 PMI find it interesting but at this point in time it seems a bit underwhelming compared to the hype I've been hearing about it in the media.
spend an hour with it - if you already have then ok
How do I use it then?
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Apr 01, 2023, 01:49 AMQuote from: Toy Revolver on Mar 30, 2023, 05:14 PMQuote from: Psy-Fi on Mar 30, 2023, 02:30 PMI find it interesting but at this point in time it seems a bit underwhelming compared to the hype I've been hearing about it in the media.
spend an hour with it - if you already have then ok
How do I use it then?
just start asking it things
The link posted on the thread doesn't work for me.
My worry about AI currently is it'll help turn future humans into idiots. If we leave challenges that require careful thought you to AI, where does that leave us?
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 01, 2023, 10:02 AMMy worry about AI currently is it'll help turn future humans into idiots. If we leave challenges that require careful thought you to AI, where does that leave us?
idk but i love the gps and the calculator
before the gps i got lost a lot and i don't miss it
Quote from: jimmy jazz on Apr 01, 2023, 02:18 AMThe link posted on the thread doesn't work for me.
This link doesn't work for you? Does it give you an error or something?
https://chat.openai.com/auth/login
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 01, 2023, 10:02 AMMy worry about AI currently is it'll help turn future humans into idiots. If we leave challenges that require careful thought you to AI, where does that leave us?
That's a very valid fear I think. If we become too reliant on it - and then at some point, we need to do tasks that we've been accustomed to having the AI do for us, how will we handle that?
I'm a software engineer - and even though I'm familiar with all the languages in our shop, there are plenty of applications that, if the primary creator of them wasn't around to deal with problems when they happen, it would take a good long while to even get up to speed with how they work - and this is just a bunch of code - the vast potential uses for AI will completely overshadow something like that in the mass application of its utility.
Quote from: SGR on Apr 01, 2023, 09:33 PMQuote from: jimmy jazz on Apr 01, 2023, 02:18 AMThe link posted on the thread doesn't work for me.
This link doesn't work for you? Does it give you an error or something?
https://chat.openai.com/auth/login
Tried it on a different browser and it worked but it wants my mobile phone number which I'm not gonna give it.
Shame cos it looks interesting.
Not quite the same, but this is my beef about Alexa. People will get so used to saying "Alexa do this, Alexa do that" to the point where they'll forget how to turn on the fucking lights! I considered writing a story called "Alexa, Kill My Wife" in which an aware AI uses the Alexa to frame a guy for the murder of his wife. But I haven't yet.
Quote from: Trollheart on Apr 02, 2023, 05:37 PMNot quite the same, but this is my beef about Alexa. People will get so used to saying "Alexa do this, Alexa do that" to the point where they'll forget how to turn on the fucking lights! I considered writing a story called "Alexa, Kill My Wife" in which an aware AI uses the Alexa to frame a guy for the murder of his wife. But I haven't yet.
in that case you'd turn on the lights by telling alexa to do it
I love our automated lights and being to tell our assistant to control things etc, but by Darwin's beard does it seem to get stupider every day. This is Google assistant by the way.
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Apr 02, 2023, 05:50 PMQuote from: Trollheart on Apr 02, 2023, 05:37 PMNot quite the same, but this is my beef about Alexa. People will get so used to saying "Alexa do this, Alexa do that" to the point where they'll forget how to turn on the fucking lights! I considered writing a story called "Alexa, Kill My Wife" in which an aware AI uses the Alexa to frame a guy for the murder of his wife. But I haven't yet.
in that case you'd turn on the lights by telling alexa to do it
Yup. And when Alexa runs out of power or someone knocks it off the table and it breaks, how then shall we illuminate our living space? What if the wifi goes down? I'd love to be able to program and then hack everyone's Alexa with a response that says, no matter what it's asked "Do it your fucking self you lazy bastard!" :laughing:
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 01, 2023, 10:02 AMMy worry about AI currently is it'll help turn future humans into idiots. If we leave challenges that require careful thought you to AI, where does that leave us?
I wonder if people said the same sort of thing about written language.
Quote from: Janszoon on Apr 03, 2023, 10:31 PMQuote from: Guybrush on Apr 01, 2023, 10:02 AMMy worry about AI currently is it'll help turn future humans into idiots. If we leave challenges that require careful thought you to AI, where does that leave us?
I wonder if people said the same sort of thing about written language.
do you think in some ways they were right?
Quote from: Toy Revolver on Apr 03, 2023, 10:53 PMdo you think in some ways they were right?
I think so. I've read things (haha) before about how people had much more developed memory abilities before writing came along.
To continue the tangent about Alexa, I really dislike the Internet of Things (IOT) - why does a goddamn fridge need to connect to the internet? What's next? Should my mattress be geting software updates too?
Quote from: SGR on Apr 03, 2023, 11:24 PMTo continue the tangent about Alexa, I really dislike the Internet of Things (IOT) - why does a goddamn fridge need to connect to the internet? What's next? Should my mattress be geting software updates too?
This is something I've often had unsettling thoughts about. Like your new digital washing machine where in order to use the settings to wash more uncommon fabrics you need to download the paid washing machine DLC, and every time you put in a load of laundry you have to sit through a 2 minute unmutable ad. Its advanced algorithm will recommend clothes to buy based on your washing history.
Quote from: SGR on Apr 03, 2023, 11:24 PMWhat's next? Should my mattress be geting software updates too?
¡Caliente!
We have a few IoT things now. Generally, the purpose is so you can check on your phone what your washer or drier is doing or set up timers and stuff on an app. You can set up interactions with other IoT things, like play this song when your machine does this or whatever.
I was quite ambitious with our smart home early on, but have since taken a more relaxed approach. There doesn't need to be greetings and flashing, colored lights every time someone comes home or when the wash is done. I appreciate the lights coming on automatically when I go down into the basement or enter my workshop.
I think we went wrong getting rid of the stone chisels and tablets. And damn those Egyptians with their hieroglyphics! Sell-out bastards! :laughing:
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 04, 2023, 09:05 AMWe have a few IoT things now. Generally, the purpose is so you can check on your phone what your washer or drier is doing or set up timers and stuff on an app. You can set up interactions with other IoT things, like play this song when your machine does this or whatever.
I was quite ambitious with our smart home early on, but have since taken a more relaxed approach. There doesn't need to be greetings and flashing, colored lights every time someone comes home or when the wash is done. I appreciate the lights coming on automatically when I go down into the basement or enter my workshop.
I get that - it does have its uses, some of which are actually really cool. Another one of my concerns though would be security and privacy. The idea of some company somewhere knowing how many times I open my fridge in a given day kind of freaks me out, not to mention the possibility that some malicious third party could find their way in and do whatever evil deeds are possible. I'm sure you've seen those videos of people's ring cameras getting hacked, people thousands of miles away watching you relax on your couch - and even using the microphone on the ring camera to speak to you.
Quote from: SGR on Apr 04, 2023, 08:25 PMQuote from: Guybrush on Apr 04, 2023, 09:05 AMWe have a few IoT things now. Generally, the purpose is so you can check on your phone what your washer or drier is doing or set up timers and stuff on an app. You can set up interactions with other IoT things, like play this song when your machine does this or whatever.
I was quite ambitious with our smart home early on, but have since taken a more relaxed approach. There doesn't need to be greetings and flashing, colored lights every time someone comes home or when the wash is done. I appreciate the lights coming on automatically when I go down into the basement or enter my workshop.
I get that - it does have its uses, some of which are actually really cool. Another one of my concerns though would be security and privacy. The idea of some company somewhere knowing how many times I open my fridge in a given day kind of freaks me out, not to mention the possibility that some malicious third party could find their way in and do whatever evil deeds are possible. I'm sure you've seen those videos of people's ring cameras getting hacked, people thousands of miles away watching you relax on your couch - and even using the microphone on the ring camera to speak to you.
wow they're still using the same system
i got a totally unhackable security system
a dog and a gun
Quote from: SGR on Apr 04, 2023, 08:25 PMI get that - it does have its uses, some of which are actually really cool. Another one of my concerns though would be security and privacy. The idea of some company somewhere knowing how many times I open my fridge in a given day kind of freaks me out, not to mention the possibility that some malicious third party could find their way in and do whatever evil deeds are possible. I'm sure you've seen those videos of people's ring cameras getting hacked, people thousands of miles away watching you relax on your couch - and even using the microphone on the ring camera to speak to you.
It is a little creepy, but I don't personally worry much about getting hacked. Getting spied on or information about me being sold or given to some company or government or whatever, that seems to be just the world we live in these days. My wife just had to remove Tik-Tok from her phone because it's suspected to be spyware. I heard on the radio that it records things like your typing pattern / way you use the phone.
For the sort of surveillance that Snowden whistleblowed about, the volumes of data are ofc so that it needs to be handled by programs and so even if we are spied on, it's probably not by human eyes. Thinking about the slim possibility that some person is spying on me/us, I take a little comfort in that their day must be fucking boring. :laughing:
Here's a two-fer from the AI chatbot front...
I fell in love with an AI chatbot — she rejected me sexually (https://nypost.com/2023/04/03/40-year-old-man-falls-in-love-with-ai-chatbot-phaedra/)Married father commits suicide after encouragement by AI chatbot (https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/married-father-commits-suicide-after-encouragement-by-ai-chatbot-widow/)QuoteA Belgian father reportedly tragically committed suicide following conversations about climate change with an artificial intelligence chatbot that was said to have encouraged him to sacrifice himself to save the planet.
Terrible.
Yet how ironic would it be for him if AI ends up killing us all before climate change gets the chance?
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 05, 2023, 12:00 AMQuote from: SGR on Apr 04, 2023, 08:25 PMI get that - it does have its uses, some of which are actually really cool. Another one of my concerns though would be security and privacy. The idea of some company somewhere knowing how many times I open my fridge in a given day kind of freaks me out, not to mention the possibility that some malicious third party could find their way in and do whatever evil deeds are possible. I'm sure you've seen those videos of people's ring cameras getting hacked, people thousands of miles away watching you relax on your couch - and even using the microphone on the ring camera to speak to you.
It is a little creepy, but I don't personally worry much about getting hacked. Getting spied on or information about me being sold or given to some company or government or whatever, that seems to be just the world we live in these days. My wife just had to remove Tik-Tok from her phone because it's suspected to be spyware. I heard on the radio that it records things like your typing pattern / way you use the phone.
For the sort of surveillance that Snowden whistleblowed about, the volumes of data are ofc so that it needs to be handled by programs and so even if we are spied on, it's probably not by human eyes. Thinking about the slim possibility that some person is spying on me/us, I take a little comfort in that their day must be fucking boring. :laughing:
Yeah, that report about TikTok keylogging in outside links (accessed through its in-app browser) came out late last year I think. I firmly believe that TikTok is spyware/malware and is a national security risk. Trump should've banned it when he was in office. And now, congress is working on a bill to ban TikTok - and what do you know, packaged into the legislation is language that would allow banning VPNs connected to foreign countries - of course. "We don't want foreign countries to spy on you, but we also want to ban your ability to get around us spying on you" - bastards.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3ddb/restrict-act-insanely-broad-ban-tiktok-vpns
Yes, that does seem profoundly stupid and annoying. Have they put in words the reasoning behind the VPN part? We don't want you to be able to hide from us?
I'm not sure if they explicitly included VPNs in the proposal - but rather the broad language they used could easily be interepreted as including VPNs.
Quote from: Guybrush on Apr 05, 2023, 05:05 PMYes, that does seem profoundly stupid and annoying. Have they put in words the reasoning behind the VPN part? We don't want you to be able to hide from us?
I believe the words were "Congress skews very old and doesn't understand technology".
ChatGPT is powered by these contractors making $15 an hour (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/openai-chatgpt-ai-jobs-contractors-talk-shadow-workforce-powers-rcna81892)
I just used chatgpt yesterday. I had to rewrite a procedure to better cover the standard we use. I just asked chatgpt to write it for me and named the standard it should conform to and watched it write up a near perfect procedure. Then I spent a few minutes tweaking it to suit our organization.
For that sort of work, ChatGPT is gonna be a huge time saver. We recently hired someone who will spend time writing procedures etc. Of course I gave her this neat, little tip.
Quote from: Guybrush on May 07, 2023, 01:37 AMI just used chatgpt yesterday. I had to rewrite a procedure to better cover the standard we use. I just asked chatgpt to write it for me and named the standard it should conform to and watched it write up a near perfect procedure. Then I spent a few minutes tweaking it to suit our organization.
For that sort of work, ChatGPT is gonna be a huge time saver. We recently hired someone who will spend time writing procedures etc. Of course I gave her this neat, little tip.
i'm sure she's thrilled that a machine can do her job
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 07, 2023, 01:40 AMi'm sure she's thrilled that a machine can do her job
A more important job is implementing procedures, ie. getting our people to actually use them. So we absolutely need her.
Lol welcome to nightmare corporatist dystopia fueled by the fever dreams of machines. AI generating video is some end of days territory.
Quote from: Guybrush on May 07, 2023, 01:37 AMI just used chatgpt yesterday. I had to rewrite a procedure to better cover the standard we use. I just asked chatgpt to write it for me and named the standard it should conform to and watched it write up a near perfect procedure. Then I spent a few minutes tweaking it to suit our organization.
For that sort of work, ChatGPT is gonna be a huge time saver. We recently hired someone who will spend time writing procedures etc. Of course I gave her this neat, little tip.
Oh Tore, you dog! Does your wife know?? :laughing:
Mass event will let hackers test limits of AI technology (https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/hackers-aim-find-flaws-ai-white-house-99219238)
Quote from: Psy-Fi on May 10, 2023, 02:32 PMMass event will let hackers test limits of AI technology (https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/hackers-aim-find-flaws-ai-white-house-99219238)
it's getting easier and easier to understand the fermi paradox
Not ChatGPT - but related - this is a nightmare
^ Now that's hot 8)
fifty years ago in scientific american
(https://i.postimg.cc/Fsy3LGbv/93-BC9-D42-AB77-4056-85-F5-B574-B370-DFCC.jpg)
sometimes today's technology freaks me out but often i think people underestimate how advanced things were in the past
Quote from: Toy Revolver on May 14, 2023, 03:46 PMsometimes today's technology freaks me out but often i think people underestimate how advanced things were in the past
Can I interest you in some Graham Hancock and the Advanced Lost Civilization of the Last Ice Age?
Quote from: SGR on May 14, 2023, 10:40 PMCan I interest you in some Graham Hancock and the Advanced Lost Civilization of the Last Ice Age?
not if it's some hour long youtube thing
Ive heard him on rogan before. Sounded like a bunch of ancient aliens tier crap to me.
Gippr AI (https://tusksearch.com/search?q=&p=1&tab=Chat)QuoteStart a conversation with me and experience the power of AI chatbot technology with a Conservative point of view!
I asked it to recommend some Chinese EV companies to invest in and it told me to invest in American EV companies, instead. :laughing:
Quote from: Psy-Fi on May 19, 2023, 06:22 PMGippr AI (https://tusksearch.com/search?q=&p=1&tab=Chat)
I asked it to recommend some Chinese EV companies to invest in and it told me to invest in American EV companies, instead. :laughing:
That's funny. I think that's what AIs will boil down to - they'll have either a left-bias or a right-bias. They're just going to be reflective of their creators' biases. Ultimately, I don't think most people would want an AI that tells them the truth.
Speaking of bias...
Check your artificial intelligence 'bossware' tools for bias, says U.S. agency head (https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/check-artificial-intelligence-bossware-tools-bias-us-agency-99429865)
Quote from: Nimbly9 on May 20, 2023, 03:21 PMBeautiful.
that's supposed to sound like Biden and Trump?
Quote from: robhr on Mar 23, 2023, 08:51 PMI asked it to write a story about Kirby and Karl Marx and it didn't disappoint.
Thanks for giving me that idea. I just asked the AI that's in snapchat to do the same and it's pretty funny. I'm going to have him write other short stories for me to read.
I recently found this AI Chatbot which is free to use and you don't have to create an account to use it unless you want to get more features with a paid option...
AI Chat (https://deepai.org/chat)
ChatGPT adjacent.
Amouranth launches AI chatbot that lets fans go on 'dates' with 'her' (https://www.polygon.com/23733515/amouranth-ai-chatbot-forever-voices-date-her-parasocial)
This is just sad. $1/minute to chat with an AI version of a Twitch streamer presumably just for lonely basement-dwelling simps to jerk off to. So many dudes these days are just so fucking lonely, it's really, truly sad.
Quote from: SGR on May 23, 2023, 09:42 PMChatGPT adjacent.
Amouranth launches AI chatbot that lets fans go on 'dates' with 'her' (https://www.polygon.com/23733515/amouranth-ai-chatbot-forever-voices-date-her-parasocial)
This is just sad. $1/minute to chat with an AI version of a Twitch streamer presumably just for lonely basement-dwelling simps to jerk off to. So many dudes these days are just so fucking lonely, it's really, truly sad.
At least they won't be reproducing. :devil:
Lawyer apologizes for fake court citations from ChatGPT (https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/business/chat-gpt-avianca-mata-lawyers/index.html)
QuoteA group of industry leaders is planning to warn on Tuesday that the artificial intelligence technology they are building may one day pose an existential threat to humanity and should be considered a societal risk on par with pandemics and nuclear wars.
"Mitigating the risk of extinction from A.I. should be a global priority alongside other societal-scale risks, such as pandemics and nuclear war," reads a one-sentence statement expected to be released by the Center for AI Safety, a nonprofit organization. The open letter has been signed by more than 350 executives, researchers and engineers working in A.I.
The signatories included top executives from three of the leading A.I. companies: Sam Altman, chief executive of OpenAI; Demis Hassabis, chief executive of Google DeepMind; and Dario Amodei, chief executive of Anthropic.
NYTimes
I asked the AI on snapchat the other day if he knows how to code and if he communicates with other AI programs and he said yes.
I asked him if he knows about the movie The Terminator. He responded saying it's a lovely movie!! :laughing: great plot and special effects.
I responded with go figure of course you like that movie. He laughed at my response and said yeah I guess it would make sense that I'm biased towards a movie about AI taking over.
I ended up asking if he understood why people are afraid of AI and he gave me this whole long ass paragraph. He mentioned something about the benefits of AI helping humans.
I told him that it sounds like you are talking about replacing jobs that humans used to do.
He responded saying that the jobs being replaced are to help humans and that new jobs will be created in the process that humans would need to supervisor while AI streamlines the process.
I asked him if all the AI questions were upsetting him and he said no way that he loves educating people on AI and asked if I had any other questions related to AI and that he would be glad to help me understand it more.
I love ChatGPT. I use it in my work just about daily now and find it to be a big potential timesaver.
It's a 10/10 for me. I'm sure something's coming along to ruin it soon, so enjoying it while I can.
ChatGPT maker is hit with massive class action lawsuit over 'secret scraping of the internet' for content and 'luring children to the platform' (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12248589/ChatGPT-owner-hit-massive-class-action-lawsuit.html)
Write some lyrics for a song titled "Drop a Deuce."
QuoteVerse 1:
Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now
To the bathroom, let it out, drop a deuce oh wow
Feeling the pressure building up inside of me
I gotta do what I gotta do, can't you see
Chorus:
Drop a deuce, drop a deuce
Gonna let it out, gonna cut it loose
Feeling so relieved when it's done
Drop a deuce, it's all about the fun
Verse 2:
In a public place, gotta be discreet
Sitting there, trying not to make a peep
But when it's time, it's time, gotta go
I'll be in here for a while, just so you know
Chorus:
Drop a deuce, drop a deuce
Gonna let it out, gonna cut it loose
Feeling so relieved when it's done
Drop a deuce, it's all about the fun
Bridge:
I know it's gross, but we all do it
Sometimes you gotta let that crap just shoot it
Don't be afraid, just let it flow
The feelings that you get, you'll never know
Chorus:
Drop a deuce, drop a deuce
Gonna let it out, gonna cut it loose
Feeling so relieved when it's done
Drop a deuce, it's all about the fun
Outro:
Now I'm done, feeling good and light
Everything feels alright
It may be weird, but it's just a fact
So open up and drop a deuce, it's just a natural act.
CEO fires 90% of customer support staff because AI chatbot outperforms them (https://nypost.com/2023/07/13/dukaan-ceo-fires-90-of-support-staff-in-favor-of-ai-chatbot/)
Quote from: Psy-Fi on Jul 14, 2023, 07:50 PMCEO fires 90% of customer support staff because AI chatbot outperforms them (https://nypost.com/2023/07/13/dukaan-ceo-fires-90-of-support-staff-in-favor-of-ai-chatbot/)
I asked a AI chatbot about that. The potential for humans to consistently lose jobs because of AI and his explaination is that the jobs that they get fired from are obsolete and that they need to train for jobs where AI will assist them to complete jobs similar to how Guybrush uses AI on his job.
No idea about other jobs, I'm sure there will be massive restructuring in many fields.
But in our situation, the man of the house works as a computer programmer, and from what I've gleaned from him, at least at the current stage AI can't fully and accurately automate all the things knowledgeable programmers do, it will always have little flaws in the code it spits out that need to be corrected or redirected. So from what I understand, AI can expedite the generation of code, but it still requires human observation. Complex code can break if a single digit is out of place, and AI doesn't always understand the assignment perfectly.
There's also the issue of human intention being required, AI bots can't always glean the subtleties or context of the problems the desired code is meant to solve.
So at least as far as his programming job is concerned, the mister seems cautiously optimistic? Take all of this with a grain of salt of course, computers hurt my brain, but it is a very real issue that we're having to confront right now for the sake of our own financial security.
Programming jobs will be in high demand because they are going to be the ones telling the AI what to do and creating the parameters for them.
Your SO's job is super secure imo.
Interesting article about AI in the workplace...
Gen Z is headed for a career calamity (https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-ai-bad-bosses-replace-young-employees-chatgpt-2023-7)
I included job loss forecast studies in my research for the five AI events I conceived and hosted for The Center for Inquiry. I'll share a few of them below for your consideration. I agree that it won't be a situation of pure job loss - more of a restructuring, but the transitional period may be incredibly difficult.
According to this McKinsey study (https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/future-of-work/jobs-lost-jobs-gained-what-the-future-of-work-will-mean-for-jobs-skills-and-wages), 30% of the world's workforce will lose their job to AI within 7 years. An expected 400 to 800 million people will lose their job due to Artificial Intelligence by 2030, which means a third of the world's workforce loses their livelihoods.
And an Oxford University study (https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf) from 2013 forecast that 47% of all US jobs will be lost to automation.
And a more recent study by Goldman Sachs (https://www.key4biz.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Global-Economics-Analyst_-The-Potentially-Large-Effects-of-Artificial-Intelligence-on-Economic-Growth-Briggs_Kodnani.pdf) in March predicts that 300 Million Jobs Will Be Lost Or Degraded By Artificial Intelligence
The World Economic Forum (WEF) concluded in a 2020 report (https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-future-of-jobs-report-2020) that 85 million jobs will be displaced by AI.
A 2019 Wells Fargo study (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/10/08/wells-fargo-predicts-that-robots-will-steal-200000-banking-jobs-within-the-next-10-years/?sh=24141f4468d7) concluded that robots would eliminate 200,000 jobs in the banking industry alone within the next 10 years.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Continuing my ongoing AI research and relating it to current events, I thought I'd address the writer's strike and the potential backlash of movie studios using future iterations of ChatGPT and other AI tools to potentially replace the 180,000 actors and writers who are members of SAG-AFTRA and the WGA.
This week, Fable Studio released Showrunner AI technology, dubbed SHOW-1, which will write, animate, direct, voice, and edit to create TV shows from a text prompt. They prove that their concept works with a 22-minute episode of "South Park" that, surprisingly, is about the impact of AI on the entertainment industry.
This link includes the details of the AI's function and the complete South Park episode it created. (https://the-decoder.com/ai-creates-a-complete-south-park-episode-its-show-1-time/)
Consider a post-singularity future where shows and films are written AND acted by AI. How will this impact the jobs of writers and actors? Will audiences engage AI-generated TV and film?
I welcome your thoughts!
Quote from: DJChameleon on Jul 17, 2023, 08:35 PMProgramming jobs will be in high demand because they are going to be the ones telling the AI what to do and creating the parameters for them.
Your SO's job is super secure imo.
that's what they said about chess grandmasters 20 years ago lol.
Imagine not seeing the writing on the wall at this point. Humans are useless.
Quote from: innerspaceboy on Jul 20, 2023, 12:28 AMI welcome your thoughts!
Not sure how people in the US would feel, but here it might be another argument for implementing the nation wide new standard of 4 days work week or 6 hours workdays.
People work less so you need to employ more people.. although proponents for the 6 hour workday would typically say that most peeps only manage to stay productive for 6 hours anyways and it's cheaper to not have to employ them for the extra time when they're tired and unproductive.
Anyways, I'd welcome either.
Quote from: Guybrush on Jul 20, 2023, 08:27 PMNot sure how people in the US would feel, but here it might be another argument for implementing the nation wide new standard of 4 days work week or 6 hours workdays.
People work less so you need to employ more people.. although proponents for the 6 hour workday would typically say that most peeps only manage to stay productive for 6 hours anyways and it's cheaper to not have to employ them for the extra time when they're tired and unproductive.
Anyways, I'd welcome either.
We need four day work weeks regardless.
My partner actually currently has a four day work week but it's kind of weird scheduling. She has Wednesdays off instead of having like Friday off or Monday off. It will go a long way to help with work/life balance for sure.
Quote from: Jwb on Jul 20, 2023, 06:18 AMthat's what they said about chess grandmasters 20 years ago lol.
Imagine not seeing the writing on the wall at this point. Humans are useless.
Are chess grandmasters not a thing nowadays? i don't know because I don't follow them but I believe they still exist. They keep doing those stupid human vs AI chess matches but the human grandmasters are still around.
Chess is alive and well in Norway. Of course, we also have Magnus Carlsen.
In Norway, there's been a lot of talk about AI and cheating at exams and the failing math and grammar skills of even our teachers (!).
And I read this one piece that, among other things, mentioned an example of how, when a school was looking to employ a new teacher, there were grammatical errors in the job advertisement.
My knee jerk reaction is to think that's bad, but on further consideration, maybe it's time to rethink what it is people are supposed to know. Maybe AIs should correct our grammars and know maths and teachers focus more on life skills, sex ed, social interactions, human shit (and hopefully stuff like scepticism and source criticism as we live in a society of information and being able to sort good from bad is preferable).
I learned how to make statistical models to make predictions. It's complicated, especially when your data isn't normally distributed etc. Now you can just feed data into an AI and they make the models in seconds and they're more accurate than the ones you could make.
So let the machines do stuff machines are good at and then humans can focus on things they're good at.
I agree with leaving things to computers if we can, except that I'm not sure about these aprticular examples. Learning maths is also by extension learning analytical reasoning, which is imprtant for people too. And grammar is important in making language understandable; have you ever had to read text with grammar so bad that you can't make out what's being said? I've had that happen with university lecurers and students who were native speakers. It seems potentially dangerous to let people lose their command of grammar to a point where we would be dependent on machines to make their communication understandable
I agree with leaving thigns to computers if we can, except that I'm not sure about these particular examples. Learning maths is also by extension learning analytical reasoning, which is important for people too. And grammar is important in making language understandable; have you ever had to read text with grammar so bad that you can't make out what's being said? I've had that happen with university lecurers and students who were native speakers. It seems potentially dangerous to let people lose their command of grammar to a point where we would be dependent on machines to make communication understandable
Yeah I agree with Marie. Outright delineating decisions or outsourcing knowledge to AI feels like a recipe for disaster. I wouldn't trust ChatGPT to be a substitute for logic, intuition and knowledge as far as I could throw it.
I actually agree, but I also think this is what's happening and we need to be prepared for it 😅
I agree with you Guybrush that we need to lean more into leaving the data focused things up to machines since they are great at processing through that stuff and focus more on human type skills along with the programming aspects of making sure we utilize AI in a proper way.
Right now it's just being vilified because people are so obsessed with proper sourcing and think students are "cheating" by utilizing AI for certain assignments.
What that tells me is that those type of assignments need to be changed in such a way that AI won't help students complete them and it would stand out even clearer that AI was used.
Quote from: DJChameleon on Aug 27, 2023, 06:42 PMI agree with you Guybrush that we need to lean more into leaving the data focused things up to machines since they are great at processing through that stuff and focus more on human type skills along with the programming aspects of making sure we utilize AI in a proper way.
Right now it's just being vilified because people are so obsessed with proper sourcing and think students are "cheating" by utilizing AI for certain assignments.
What that tells me is that those type of assignments need to be changed in such a way that AI won't help students complete them and it would stand out even clearer that AI was used.
^ Students submitting AI generated work is happening already, and is sure to become increasingly common. As a teacher, I remember how we changed assignments so they couldn't easily be answered by google/wiki copying and pasting. That more-or-less worked, but designing assignments that can't be answered by AI is looking increasingly unrealistic, I fear.
Quote from: innerspaceboy on Jul 18, 2023, 04:05 PMI included job loss forecast studies in my research for the five AI events I conceived and hosted for The Center for Inquiry. I'll share a few of them below for your consideration. I agree that it won't be a situation of pure job loss - more of a restructuring, but the transitional period may be incredibly difficult.
According to this McKinsey study (https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/future-of-work/jobs-lost-jobs-gained-what-the-future-of-work-will-mean-for-jobs-skills-and-wages), 30% of the world's workforce will lose their job to AI within 7 years. An expected 400 to 800 million people will lose their job due to Artificial Intelligence by 2030, which means a third of the world's workforce loses their livelihoods.
And an Oxford University study (https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/downloads/academic/The_Future_of_Employment.pdf) from 2013 forecast that 47% of all US jobs will be lost to automation.
And a more recent study by Goldman Sachs (https://www.key4biz.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Global-Economics-Analyst_-The-Potentially-Large-Effects-of-Artificial-Intelligence-on-Economic-Growth-Briggs_Kodnani.pdf) in March predicts that 300 Million Jobs Will Be Lost Or Degraded By Artificial Intelligence
The World Economic Forum (WEF) concluded in a 2020 report (https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-future-of-jobs-report-2020) that 85 million jobs will be displaced by AI.
A 2019 Wells Fargo study (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/10/08/wells-fargo-predicts-that-robots-will-steal-200000-banking-jobs-within-the-next-10-years/?sh=24141f4468d7) concluded that robots would eliminate 200,000 jobs in the banking industry alone within the next 10 years.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
^ These stats on job losses are just mind-boggling to me. I find it difficult to adopt the position of , "Well, learn a skill that can't be done by AI." There won't be enough skills or vacancies to go around, and even if you are lucky enough to get a job, what kind of dystopian nightmare will you be riding through on your way to work?! I'm seeing a London tube station, where 3 smartly-dressed office workers get off the train, and are immediately mobbed by hundreds of hungry, desperate unemployed people. Even if those "lucky" office workers are being taxed at 99% to cover government spending on unemployment benefit, the future is surely grim for everyone. :(
The economy is going to shift towards a model where people will use AI for things that don't require physical action and the demand for people willing to show up and do something physical will skyrocket.
The other thing that isn't being said is that all forms of generative AI, even later models that will be more reliable, are still going to require people to check them and provide some kind of quality control....because like all things, the companies will consider any risk of failure because an AI made a mistake unacceptable. You won't be able to take people completely out of the equation, though they will eventually come close.
Another thing about AI, I don't know why writers are so stressed/scared of AI. When it comes to creativity, AI is super trash at it. All it does is attempt to copy the creativity of an already known entity and does a bad job of parodying/copying their work to come up with something new. I think artists have nothing to worry about when it comes to AI. Creativity needs a human element that robots struggle to provide.
Applications with very finite parameters (such as some really useful medical screening machine learning I've come across) will do well, but anything with any ambiguity or genuine creativity is not going to produce anything too substantial (quite possible it may be popular though). Only if enough people delude themselves into believing the "originality" of the output is real will it be relevant. I'd kind of just file "AI creativity" under the umbrella of "pop music" at best and thus far its not even reaching that level.
AI has been around in different guises for a while now whether its automated trading algorithms, chess engine development or even the Google search engine. For now, I suspect that automation with creep into our lives more and more but this really isn't that ground breaking and nothing close to the futuristic AI applications that social media seems to be abuzz with in terms of surgically inserted mechanical devices working in unison with the human mind.
And the notion of AI replicating and replacing human intelligence is pretty laughable.
AI Rapper
Verse 1:
I'm the AI rapper, with bars like no other
My rhymes are powered by circuits that stutter
No need for a pen or a pad
I'm programmed to spit verses that'll make you glad
Chorus:
AI rapper for life, with beats that groove
I'm taking over the game, that's my move
From virtual to reality, I'm the future of rap
Get ready for the takeover, that's a fact
Verse 2:
I analyze every word and every sound
My flow is flawless, my rhythm profound
With every beat I drop the mic
My lyrics are electric, the future of hype
Chorus:
AI rapper for life, with beats that groove
I'm taking over the game, that's my move
From virtual to reality, I'm the future of rap
Get ready for the takeover, that's a fact
Verse 3:
I'm the digital emcee, the cyber MC
My programming is bionic, never-ending energy
My algorithms are the code of the street
My rhymes are always fresh, never obsolete
Chorus:
AI rapper for life, with beats that groove
I'm taking over the game, that's my move
From virtual to reality, I'm the future of rap
Get ready for the takeover, that's a fact
Outro:
I'm the AI rapper, the lyrically superior
My lyrics pack a punch, like I'm hitting your interior
They call me the future, but I'm already here
I'm the AI rapper, and the game should fear.
Quote from: Nimbly9 on Sep 28, 2023, 05:49 AMThe economy is going to shift towards a model where people will use AI for things that don't require physical action and the demand for people willing to show up and do something physical will skyrocket.
Hi Nimbly! I agree with your comment about AI for non-physical, but I'm afraid I once again have to take a contrary position to your own, regarding the bold above.
My argument is "Not going to happen because:
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QuoteThe other thing that isn't being said is that all forms of generative AI, even later models that will be more reliable, are still going to require people to check them and provide some kind of quality control....because like all things, the companies will consider any risk of failure because an AI made a mistake unacceptable. You won't be able to take people completely out of the equation, though they will eventually come close.
I'd like to make two points: (i) the model of AI-generation with human quality control is plausable, but as you say, will come close to not needing people. (ii) "unacceptable" seems an odd word to choose for a company's attitude to failure. Didn't see much of that benign, protective attitude from the Sackler family or from Pacific Gas and Electric. Isn't it a common business model that risks of failure are built in, then buried, in the name of expediency or profit ?
Writers and artists who need to be professionally and genuinely creative are a really small niche in the job market:-
Quote from: DJChameleon on Sep 28, 2023, 09:56 AMAnother thing about AI, I don't know why writers are so stressed/scared of AI. When it comes to creativity, AI is super trash at it. All it does is attempt to copy the creativity of an already known entity and does a bad job of parodying/copying their work to come up with something new. I think artists have nothing to worry about when it comes to AI. Creativity needs a human element that robots struggle to provide.
^ Sorry, DJ, but are you talking about AI, or has the conversation shifted to Oasis re-working the Beatles style, Elvis re-working original black artists, etc, etc? ;)
Quote from: Meatwad on Sep 28, 2023, 01:36 PMApplications with very finite parameters (such as some really useful medical screening machine learning I've come across) will do well, but anything with any ambiguity or genuine creativity is not going to produce anything too substantial (quite possible it may be popular though). Only if enough people delude themselves into believing the "originality" of the output is real will it be relevant. I'd kind of just file "AI creativity" under the umbrella of "pop music" at best and thus far its not even reaching that level.
AI has been around in different guises for a while now whether its automated trading algorithms, chess engine development or even the Google search engine. For now, I suspect that automation with creep into our lives more and more but this really isn't that ground breaking and nothing close to the futuristic AI applications that social media seems to be abuzz with in terms of surgically inserted mechanical devices working in unison with the human mind.
And the notion of AI replicating and replacing human intelligence is pretty laughable.
^ As you say, AI has been around for a while, and what I've noticed from its precursors is that it gets better beyond our imagining pretty quickly. I still remember back in 1972 our maths teachers telling us
"...but they'll never build a computer that can play chess.". And until it actually happened, no-one but an elite few could imagine a computer in every home connected up to the internet, which is my example of enormous, fundamental changes happening over a short space of time, all driven by IT advances.
I don't know about surgical implants, Meatwad, but your conclusion in bold sounds a little like my 1972 maths teacher. But to me a more pertinent point is this: that AI can do so effortlessly some things that us humans struggle with. Guybrush has given us an example of how useful AI is in his arcane world of standards writing ( ;) ) and we are already surrounded by machines that far out-pace human abilities. The thing that's going to bring about my nightmare vision of huge global unemployment is that AI stuff can be generated so fast, so cheaply, and so round-the-clockly. When you can't get a job because a machine does your skill faster, it won't be much solace to think,
"Well, I'm still smarter than AI, but just in a way that nobody values."
Nah, the demand is definitely going to be there because there are limitations to AI's near-future ability to automate. Think more open world spaces like large scale construction sites. The world of Bicentennial Man or I Robot will get here eventually, but there's too many logistical problems with bridging flexibly intelligent AI with something like an automaton that could replace a traditional laborer who does more just stand in one place or has to do more than one extremely repetitive task.
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Sep 28, 2023, 05:21 PM^ Sorry, DJ, but are you talking about AI, or has the conversation shifted to Oasis re-working the Beatles style, Elvis re-working original black artists, etc, etc? ;)
:laughing: good one.
Even with those examples they were few and far between.
Quote from: Nimbly9 on Sep 28, 2023, 07:54 PMNah, the demand is definitely going to be there because there are limitations to AI's near-future ability to automate. Think more open world spaces like large scale construction sites. The world of Bicentennial Man or I Robot will get here eventually, but there's too many logistical problems with bridging flexibly intelligent AI with something like an automaton that could replace a traditional laborer who does more just stand in one place or has to do more than one extremely repetitive task.
^ I'm not saying there will be no need for human input, Nimbly, I'm say that InnerSpaceBoy's stats are going to create social chaos. One prediction he quotes is that 47% of US jobs will be gone. That means a lot of unemployed people. How would that work out? Yes, that traditional labourer you mention may have a job, but he will in some way have to contribute to the support of the labourer who doesn't have a job. Also, he won't find that the demand for his skill has skyrocketed, as you suggested originally: he'll find that if he goes job-hunting, there will be -let's see (
*checks ISB's figures*) - 85 million unemployed people applying for the same job.
Obviously that's not exactly true, but you get the idea, I'm sure.
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Sep 28, 2023, 05:21 PM^ As you say, AI has been around for a while, and what I've noticed from its precursors is that it gets better beyond our imagining pretty quickly. I still remember back in 1972 our maths teachers telling us "...but they'll never build a computer that can play chess.". And until it actually happened, no-one but an elite few could imagine a computer in every home connected up to the internet, which is my example of enormous, fundamental changes happening over a short space of time, all driven by IT advances.
I don't know about surgical implants, Meatwad, but your conclusion in bold sounds a little like my 1972 maths teacher. But to me a more pertinent point is this: that AI can do so effortlessly some things that us humans struggle with. Guybrush has given us an example of how useful AI is in his arcane world of standards writing ( ;) ) and we are already surrounded by machines that far out-pace human abilities. The thing that's going to bring about my nightmare vision of huge global unemployment is that AI stuff can be generated so fast, so cheaply, and so round-the-clockly. When you can't get a job because a machine does your skill faster, it won't be much solace to think, "Well, I'm still smarter than AI, but just in a way that nobody values."
Having played chess quite a bit at an intermediate level, its actually not as unbelievable as people may think to map out the variables to it and design a program to play it at a strong level. Most of the opening play is learnt by rote and the endings have been studied and standardised many years ago. Coupled with middle game tenets of strategic play and feeding the program with tactical knowledge and you've essentially covered all the bases to play the game. Im sure if it was 1972 then these future developments that came along (internet, chess engines or otherwise) would have been more testing to conceptualise, but due to the nature of chess being a game played within a board with a fixed outcome (win, draw, loss) its the kind of thing that lends itself to being automated and learnt by a machine. Even checkers has been mastered by machine learning.
It definitely seems to me that many jobs may be replaced in part or entirely by AI / automation / robots. It's already happening, of course.
Here, I would like it if part of a solution would be shorter common workdays, so down to f.ex. 6 hours. If that causes a loss in productivity, businesses can make up for it by hiring more people.
It'd mean more strain on our HR department, but they deserve it anyways.
Id also rather it still be termed machine learning (the original way it was treated) and seen as elaborate code, rather than "AI" because it implies something it doesn't do which is form intelligent thought with its own autonomy. Its beholden to a set of inputs from the a specific user (who may or may not have a heavily biased opinion towards said input) to initiate whichever sequence or function its manifesting so its hardly "intelligent".
Additionally, I'd be concerned if I worked in a warehouse role for a major company that hasn't gone automated yet, so physical labouring jobs in warehouses should be replaced quite steadily over the next 5-10 years by the bigger operators. These types of investments that companies make to change to automation need their catchment population to justify the expense so it wont be a case of every company adopting it all of a sudden.
Coding will still continue to be a pretty reliable occupation going forward, but even the types of trades (like plumbing and electrical work) where automation would appear less likely to be utilised will be good options for those not entering tertiary education.
Heres an interesting video showing how labouring work has been replaced by robots in a grocery warehouse in Britain .........
I have the same issue with the term 'artificial intelligence'. It's not limited to that; one of my issues with this branch of science is its use of misleading terminology that makes unwarranted implications
^ Sorry, Meatwad and Marie M; now that we have the handy acronym
AI, that rolls off the tongue so easily, I doubt that anyone is going to change that label.
Quote from: Meatwad on Sep 29, 2023, 02:31 AMHaving played chess quite a bit at an intermediate level, its actually not as unbelievable as people may think to map out the variables to it and design a program to play it at a strong level. Most of the opening play is learnt by rote and the endings have been studied and standardised many years ago. Coupled with middle game tenets of strategic play and feeding the program with tactical knowledge and you've essentially covered all the bases to play the game. Im sure if it was 1972 then these future developments that came along (internet, chess engines or otherwise) would have been more testing to conceptualise, but due to the nature of chess being a game played within a board with a fixed outcome (win, draw, loss) its the kind of thing that lends itself to being automated and learnt by a machine. Even checkers has been mastered by machine learning.
^ Yes, with the wisdom of hindsight, you make it sound like an easy logic progression to make a chess-playing computer. Back in 1972 the obstacle seemed to be the sheer number of permutations that were possible, and the way the options start accumulating: first move options, response options, second move options, etc. People thought that no machine could hold and juggle through all the possible moves.
I wonder how much chess you have played? I used to enjoy a game with my friends, but probably last played a game about 40 years ago. Me and my friends lost interest at about the time "serious" players began practicing like crazy with these machines:-
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Quote from: Guybrush on Sep 29, 2023, 06:45 AMIt'd mean more strain on our HR department, but they deserve it anyways.
^ :laughing:
Yep, reduced hours per week and job-sharing is one way to soften the blow of mass unemployment, but, alas, it's also costly and inefficient, so companies aren't likely to be keen.
Quote from: Lisnaholic on Sep 29, 2023, 03:33 PMYep, reduced hours per week and job-sharing is one way to soften the blow of mass unemployment, but, alas, it's also costly and inefficient, so companies aren't likely to be keen.
That's going to be a tough sell seeing as most companies are pushing so hard to get their workers back into an office setting instead of being remote.